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<i>Ireland's modern story
begins in an age of empire,</i>

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<i>but it will be convulsed by revolution.</i>

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<i>The old order is overthrown.</i>

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<i>The religious conflict that
has endured for 300 years</i>

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<i>will lead to the division of Ireland
for the first time in history.</i>

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<i>From the beginning of
the story of Ireland,</i>

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<i>the island has been shaped
by events beyond its shores,</i>

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<i>and this is never more true
than in the modern era.</i>

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In an age of world wars
when Europe is twice rent apart by hatred,

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when tens of millions die
in the name of ideology and nationalism,

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Ireland, too, will experience
dramatic upheaval.

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<i>It is an age in which the island's
people will confront not only</i>

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<i>the legacy of history, but the very idea
of what it means to be Irish.</i>

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<b><font color=#004F8C>Ripped By mstoll</b></font>

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<i>Early in the last century,</i>

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<i>my forebears lived here in middle-class
respectability in the city of Cork.</i>

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<i>It was a world dominated
by the British Empire,</i>

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<i>and Cork was a thriving garrison city.</i>

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<i>My great-grandfather was a sergeant
in the Royal Irish Constabulary.</i>

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<i>But his service records
are not kept in Cork.</i>

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<i>They're here
at the National Archives in Kew.</i>

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Here he is. 40739, Hassett, Patrick.

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5ft 10, same height as myself,
from County Clare.

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In his mind, there was nothing
unusual about him being sent,

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as we can see here, to serve in Belfast,

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because it was all one Ireland
at the time.

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And he wouldn't have seen
any contradiction

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between supporting the monarchy,

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but also supporting
the idea of Home Rule for Ireland,

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because, remember,
if Home Rule was granted,

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the country was still going to stay
within the British Empire.

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<i>And that empire really framed the world</i>

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<i>in which my great-grandfather
grew up and in which he lived.</i>

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<i>Yet the image of a serene Ireland
was deceptive.</i>

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<i>An Irish Catholic would never rise
to the top of the RIC.</i>

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<i>In Her Majesty's Civil Service,</i>

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<i>Catholics were noticeably absent
from the more senior posts.</i>

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<i>The Act of Union
had given Catholics economic power,</i>

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<i>but their political destiny
remained in the hands of London.</i>

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<i>As the century turned, a view of an Irish
future utterly separate from Britain</i>

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<i>was finding expression
in cultural revival.</i>

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<i>One of the many artists attempting
to forge a new national consciousness</i>

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<i>was the poet and playwright
William Butler Yeats.</i>

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<i>In 1903, with Lady Augusta Gregory,
he founded the Abbey Theatre.</i>

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<i>It would see the production
of their play Kathleen Ni Houlihan,</i>

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<i>which represented Ireland
as a beautiful woman</i>

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<i>for whom young men
would sacrifice their lives.</i>

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<i>"They shall be alive for ever,"
Yeats wrote.</i>

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<i>Later he would ask, "Did that play of mine
send out certain men the English shot?"</i>

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<i>The cultural revival in sports,
literature and theatre</i>

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<i>was profoundly influenced by the fear
that Ireland was becoming British.</i>

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There's a fear
that Ireland is losing its identity,

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that if a new generation does not
embrace identity and national sentiment

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and the national language and so on,

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that something is going to be lost,
irretrievably lost.

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What was being written
and talked about here in Dublin

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chimed with nationalist sentiments
across the world.

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In 1911, Sun Yat-sen had
declared his revolution in China.

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The following year,
the African National Congress

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was founded in South Africa.

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And closer, in the Balkans,

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Serbian plotters were preparing acts
that would change the world.

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Here in Ireland, the long dominance
of those who'd advocated change

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through peaceful means
was about to be challenged.

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<i>Across Europe, there are
premonitions of a cataclysm</i>

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<i>that will make a new world.</i>

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<i>In Ireland, a poet and teacher
declared bloodshed</i>

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<i>a cleansing and sanctifying thing.</i>

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<i>Inspired by Christ
and the warriors of Gaelic myth,</i>

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<i>Patrick Pearse
had come to idealise martyrdom.</i>

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<i>Pearse was the son of
an English father and an Irish mother.</i>

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<i>At St Enda's, his school outside Dublin,
he declared it his mission</i>

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<i>to counter what he called
the murder machine of British education.</i>

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<i>Pearse told his pupils to be ready
to work hard for the fatherland</i>

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<i>and, if necessary, to die for it.</i>

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<i>Pearse joined
the Irish Republican Brotherhood,</i>

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<i>committed to the overthrow
of imperial rule.</i>

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<i>His alienation from
the bourgeois world of his childhood</i>

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<i>would deepen when he watched
the combined forces</i>

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<i>of state power
and a Catholic-led business elite</i>

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<i>suppress the 1913 strike in Dublin.</i>

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<i>But the conditions in which Patrick Pearse
and other radicals would rebel</i>

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<i>were created by the British Government's
attempts at reform.</i>

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<i>In 1912, the Liberal Cabinet
moved to introduce Home Rule,</i>

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<i>but in keeping a promise
to Irish Catholics,</i>

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<i>it provoked the anger
of Ulster Protestants.</i>

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Home Rule was seen as an attempt
to undo the Plantation of Ulster.

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It was seen as an attempt

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to bring the hewers of wood and
the drawers of water, to bring them top,

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to effect a social revolution that
would have seen Protestant Ulster,

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the Ulster that they had built, destroyed.

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<i>Protestant opposition
was led by a man</i>

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<i>misrepresented as much by his allies
as his enemies.</i>

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<i>Edward Carson was a Dublin lawyer</i>

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<i>who to this day remains
the great icon of Ulster Loyalism.</i>

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<i>Carson had been a fierce cross-examiner
of his old college friend Oscar Wilde</i>

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<i>during a libel trial in which the writer
denied his homosexuality.</i>

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<i>But this man, appropriated
as an implacable Ulster Unionist,</i>

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<i>began with a very different agenda.</i>

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Most Irish people would regard Carson

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as the arch partitionist,
but that's not what Carson is about.

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Carson is about sustaining the union
between Great Britain and all of Ireland,

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not just the northeastern corner.

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And he wants to make that union work
for the benefit of all Irish people.

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<i>But Carson understood that only in Ulster
was there a Protestant population</i>

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<i>large enough
to mobilise against Home Rule.</i>

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On September 28th 1912,
here in Belfast City Hall,

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Edward Carson signed a solemn covenant
pledging to defend Ulster from Home Rule.

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Almost a quarter of a million men
followed his example.

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But how were they going to back up
this declaration with deeds?

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The Ulster Unionist leadership
now made a momentous decision.

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<i>The Ulster Volunteer Force, formed
in 1913, directly challenged the state.</i>

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<i>It was encouraged in its threats
of rebellion by British Conservatives,</i>

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<i>yet the Government took no action.</i>

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<i>Nationalists reacted by founding
the Irish Volunteers to protect Home Rule.</i>

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<i>They were joined by the Irish
Citizen Army, led by James Connolly,</i>

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<i>a Glasgow-born socialist who'd come to
prominence in the 1913 strike in Dublin.</i>

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When this paramilitarisation
develops in the North, the reaction

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in nationalist Ireland is excitement.

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It's not fear.

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It's not a sense
that a civil war may happen.

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It's, this is what Irishmen should do.

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Time and again, you hear it said
famously about Patrick Pearse that,

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"to see arms in the hands of Irishmen
is an ennobling thing",

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even if they're in the hands
of Ulster Unionist Irishmen.

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It was, of course,
a grand delusion.

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Both nationalists and the British
Government seemed to have forgotten

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the bitter struggles with Loyalists
over Home Rule in the previous century.

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It was as if they believed
Ulster Protestants

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would eventually, peacefully,
come round to the idea.

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<i>But the Loyalists
were busy arming themselves</i>

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<i>to fight whoever tried
to impose Home Rule.</i>

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On 24th and 25th April 1914,

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25,000 rifles
and three million rounds of ammunition

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were brought in through Larne and
other ports and distributed across Ulster.

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These were German weapons being imported

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at a time of mounting
international tension.

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It would be hard to imagine a greater
challenge to the authority of the state.

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And yet the Government did nothing.

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<i>But when nationalists imported guns</i>
<i>the following July, they</i> were <i>confronted.</i>

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<i>This double standard helped to radicalise
many more moderate nationalists.</i>

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<i>Tension steadily escalated</i>

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<i>until Ireland's quarrel
was suddenly interrupted.</i>

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During the First World War,

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you get a sea-change
in the nature of Irish political opinion.

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People who had been thinking

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that constitutional methods would work

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changed their mind
and felt that they wouldn't.

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People who felt that a more moderate goal
was legitimate

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changed their minds
and wanted something more radical.

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<i>The war would claim the lives
of as many as 30,000 Irishmen.</i>

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<i>More than 200,000 served.</i>

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<i>To the moderate Irish
nationalist leader John Redmond,</i>

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<i>the war was a chance to make the case
to Unionists for Home Rule.</i>

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<i>Catholics would show their loyalty
to the empire.</i>

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<i>But as the war dragged on
and casualties mounted,</i>

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<i>fears grew that Britain
would introduce conscription in Ireland.</i>

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Redmond's call to arms looked increasingly
to have been a serious political mistake.

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There was growing disillusionment
among nationalists,

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but Ireland wasn't seething
with anti-British fervour.

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It would take the events of Easter 1916
to create the cataclysm.

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<i>As Britain floundered
on the Western Front,</i>

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<i>a small group of plotters
gathered in Dublin.</i>

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<i>They were a minority, even within
the revolutionary Republican Brotherhood.</i>

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<i>They included poets and hardened rebels,</i>

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<i>Pearse, who dreamed of blood sacrifice,</i>

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<i>and the champion of
a workers'republic, James Connolly.</i>

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<i>They plotted the downfall of empire
in Ireland</i>

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<i>here above the tobacco shop
of the veteran IRB man Tom Clarke.</i>

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<i>The rebels decided to move
on Easter Sunday,</i>

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<i>date of Christ's resurrection.</i>

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<i>But the orders were countermanded
by moderates.</i>

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<i>In the chaos of order and counter-order,</i>

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<i>Pearse, Connolly and the other radicals
made a fateful decision.</i>

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<i>They would strike
with a drastically reduced force</i>

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<i>in Dublin on Easter Monday 1916.</i>

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<i>A detachment of Connolly's Citizen Army
attacked Dublin Castle,</i>

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<i>symbol and seat of British power,
but were repulsed.</i>

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<i>The main body of rebels
led by Pearse and Connolly</i>

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<i>rushed down Sackville Street
and took over the General Post Office.</i>

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<i>They raised the Irish tricolour
above the building.</i>

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<i>Pearse stepped outside
and read from a proclamation</i>

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<i>signed by himself
and the six other leaders.</i>

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<i>He declared an Irish republic.</i>

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<i>"In the name of God and the dead
generations, Ireland through us</i>

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<i>"summons her children to her flag
and strikes for her freedom."</i>

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A witness watching from a balcony opposite
described how boys quickly gathered up

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any copies of the proclamation
they could find, because, as he put it,

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they would be worth a fiver
when the beggars were hanged.

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<i>The British were caught unawares,
but by the end of the week,</i>

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<i>they outnumbered the rebels by ten to one.</i>

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<i>From the River Liffey, a gunboat fired.</i>

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<i>Irish regiments also fought the rebels.</i>

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The Royal Dublin Fusiliers,
who were drawn principally

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from the working-class districts
of the city,

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were being rushed up along the quays here
to join the battle near the GPO,

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when a shot rang out
from a sniper across the river.

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Lieutenant Gerald Neilan,
an Irish Catholic, fell dead.

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Elsewhere in the city,
his younger brother Anthony

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was fighting on the rebel side.

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<i>The majority of the dead of Easter week
were civilians</i>

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<i>killed in the rain of shells and bullets</i>

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<i>that devastated the city centre
in the British counterattack.</i>

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<i>Pearse and Connolly finally
abandoned their headquarters at the GPO,</i>

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<i>surrendering on April 29th.</i>

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As the rebels were led into captivity,
they were jeered and jostled by the crowd.

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Many of the most vociferous
were women whose husbands

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were away fighting on the Western Front.

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The rising had been crushed,

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and public opinion now seemed
set against the rebels.

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Until the British
made a grave miscalculation.

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<i>The leaders were brought here
to Kilmainham Gaol in Dublin</i>

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<i>and hastily court-martialled
and sentenced to death.</i>

214
00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,997
Over a period of two weeks,
14 men were executed here,

215
00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,794
13 at this end, including Patrick Pearse,

216
00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,319
and up here, James Connolly,

217
00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,238
who had to be carried to his execution
on a stretcher.

218
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,551
The manner of their deaths
and the number of executions

219
00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,115
would turn these men from being
the leaders of a militant minority

220
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,756
into martyrs who could be acclaimed
by all of nationalist Ireland.

221
00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,797
<i>The poet William Butler Yeats
sensed the impact of the executions.</i>

222
00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,274
<i>"I write it out in a verse</i>

223
00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,278
<i>"MacDonagh and MacBride
And Connolly and Pearse</i>

224
00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,914
<i>"Now and in time to be</i>

225
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,919
<i>"Wherever green is worn
Are changed, changed utterly.</i>

226
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,077
<i>"A terrible beauty is born."</i>

227
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,355
<i>Public anger deepened
following mass arrests</i>

228
00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,356
<i>and the imposition of martial law.</i>

229
00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,911
<i>Here in the military archives in Dublin
is a trove of witness accounts</i>

230
00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,669
<i>from young men who were radicalised
by the events of Easter 1916</i>

231
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,109
<i>and who joined the Volunteers in its wake.</i>

232
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,630
Matthew Davies from Roscommon - "In 1916,"
he says, "I was unattached to any group.

233
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,877
"After the rebellion there was an outcry
to execute the fanatics.

234
00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,514
"I felt we would have to do
something about it."

235
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,994
And of course, he formed
a Volunteer unit in his area.

236
00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,352
<i>The Volunteers evolved into
the Irish Republican Army,</i>

237
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,234
<i>and among the young men who flocked
to join them was my grandfather,</i>

238
00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,397
<i>Paddy Hassett,
the imperial policeman's son.</i>

239
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,000
Why would Paddy Hassett

240
00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,955
turn his back on that family tradition
of service to the empire?

241
00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,472
The biggest factor
was what had happened in Ireland.

242
00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,594
The impact of the 1916 rising
and the executions

243
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,712
and the round-ups
that took place after it.

244
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,194
I sense that that was what
turned my grandfather

245
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,994
and many, many other young men like him,
against the British.

246
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,752
<i>But if the great cause
of the Irish revolution</i>

247
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,476
<i>had been a united republic,
the consequence was very different.</i>

248
00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,718
I think after 1916,
with the dead dedicated to a republic,

249
00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,196
the fires of Easter week
have forged a new national identity,

250
00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,832
which is to be Republican.

251
00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,519
Ulster Unionists
find nothing in that whatsoever.

252
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,915
They found little, if anything,
in Home Rule -

253
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,997
there's absolutely nothing for them
in an Irish republic.

254
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,237
It makes partition inevitable.

255
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,715
<i>In the 1918 general election, Sinn Féin,
led by veterans of the rising,</i>

256
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,478
<i>won a sweeping majority.</i>

257
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,116
<i>But instead of going to Westminster,
the party set up an Irish republic.</i>

258
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,594
<i>The Sinn Féin leader was Eamon de Valera,</i>

259
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,313
<i>and his finance minister, Michael Collins.</i>

260
00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:31,992
<i>In an atmosphere made worse by
renewed British threats of conscription,</i>

261
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,918
<i>Collins would find himself
directing a guerrilla war.</i>

262
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,710
<i>The IRA campaign which began in 1919</i>

263
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,672
<i>was met with fierce reprisals
against civilians</i>

264
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,314
<i>by security forces
like the Black and Tans.</i>

265
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,670
<i>A state-sanctioned policy of reprisal
increased public support for the IRA.</i>

266
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,559
<i>And Irishmen killed fellow Irishmen.</i>

267
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,797
<i>Police shot IRA men and vice versa.</i>

268
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,835
<i>This is my father's hometown
of Listowel in County Kerry.</i>

269
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:13,593
On 20th January 1921, an IRA squad
was lying in wait at Church Street.

270
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,232
The man they were going to attack,

271
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,353
District Inspector Tobias O'Sullivan
of the Royal Irish Constabulary,

272
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,358
was coming up the street
with his five-year-old son.

273
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,520
The IRA squad ran up to him
and shot him dead in front of the child.

274
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,632
Now, the version of the story
that I was given growing up

275
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,195
was that a British soldier,
not an Irish policeman, had been killed.

276
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,118
Nor was there any mention
that he'd been holding his child's hand

277
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,559
when he was murdered.

278
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,355
It was as if some parts of the story
were simply too painful to tell.

279
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,436
<i>O'Sullivan had taken part in a raid
on a nearby village.</i>

280
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,356
<i>After two years of violence, both sides
declared themselves ready to talk.</i>

281
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,629
<i>In October 1921, a Sinn Féin delegation
led by Michael Collins</i>

282
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,513
<i>arrived in London
to discuss a political settlement.</i>

283
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,473
Michael Collins arrived as
the 20th century's first celebrity rebel.

284
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,479
In terms of his public image,
a kind of Che Guevara for his age.

285
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,832
But here, Collins would encounter
a British negotiating team

286
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,396
led by Lloyd George
that was both experienced and tough.

287
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,877
Whatever else might be conceded,
an Irish republic was not on offer.

288
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,237
<i>26 counties of Southern Ireland
would become the Irish Free State,</i>

289
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,910
<i>with its own army but swearing an
Oath of Allegiance to the British Crown.</i>

290
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,476
<i>The Government had already allowed the six
Protestant-dominated counties of Ulster</i>

291
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,751
<i>to form a new state
within the United Kingdom.</i>

292
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,835
<i>But it wasn't Ulster
that caused crisis for the Irish side.</i>

293
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,269
<i>In Dublin, de Valera accused Collins</i>

294
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,790
<i>of having agreed to the
Oath of Allegiance without his consent.</i>

295
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,036
<i>When the Dáil convened
in Dublin in December 1921,</i>

296
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,551
<i>de Valera denounced the Oath of Allegiance
as an abandonment of the republic.</i>

297
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:25,197
<i>Collins argued that the treaty gave
Ireland the freedom to achieve freedom.</i>

298
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,915
<i>The one-time comrades
became bitter enemies.</i>

299
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,798
<i>When the vote on the treaty came,</i>
<i>it was perilously close</i> -

300
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,195
<i>64 votes for, 57 against.</i>

301
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,754
De Valera led his supporters
out of the Dáil.

302
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,997
As they went,
Michael Collins shouted, "Deserters, all!"

303
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,032
The slide to civil war had begun.

304
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,229
<i>A majority of the people supported
the treaty, but couldn't stop a war</i>

305
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,238
<i>characterised by extreme ruthlessness.</i>

306
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,717
<i>Both sides committed atrocities.</i>

307
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,909
<i>At Ballyseedy Cross in County Kerry,
nine Republican prisoners</i>

308
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,111
<i>were tied to a log
and blown to pieces by a land mine,</i>

309
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,391
<i>retaliation for the killing
of Free State soldiers.</i>

310
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,032
<i>The government army gradually
captured the Republican strongholds.</i>

311
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:32,758
<i>But on 22nd August 1922, Michael Collins
was assassinated in County Cork.</i>

312
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,229
<i>The Free State would triumph,
but his loss was devastating.</i>

313
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,198
<i>In death, Collins would become
a romantic icon, the great lost leader.</i>

314
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,711
<i>Yet in some of his last writings,
he espoused a patriotic pragmatism.</i>

315
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,478
<i>"True devotion,"Collins wrote,
"lay not in melodramatic defiance</i>

316
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,230
<i>"or self-sacrifice,
but in steady, earnest effort."</i>

317
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,030
By the time the civil war ended in 1923,

318
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,958
Ireland was a very different country
to the united

319
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,835
and equal nation imagined
by the revolutionaries of 1916.

320
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,758
The revolution had driven the British out.

321
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,510
But it had also consolidated
the prevailing social reality.

322
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:32,476
This was a Catholic, largely rural
and, above all, conservative society.

323
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,714
<i>It was a society not dissimilar
to that imagined</i>

324
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,911
<i>by Ireland's first political titans.</i>

325
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,350
<i>The settled country
imagined by Daniel O'Connell,</i>

326
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,597
<i>hero of Catholic emancipation
in the 19th century.</i>

327
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,316
<i>An Ireland of landowners, such as
Charles Stewart Parnell envisioned,</i>

328
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,272
<i>and which his Land League
had done so much to create.</i>

329
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,677
<i>A society whose fundamental desire now
was for stability.</i>

330
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,874
<i>In the Protestant-ruled</i>

331
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,195
<i>six counties of Ulster,
electoral boundaries</i>

332
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,314
<i>had been drawn to ensure majorities
for Unionists in most areas.</i>

333
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:19,751
<i>There had been fierce retribution
against Catholics following IRA violence.</i>

334
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,749
<i>More than 8,000 were driven
from their jobs, hundreds were killed.</i>

335
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,150
<i>The Prime Minister James Craig</i>

336
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,317
<i>was a patrician landowner
and proud Orangeman.</i>

337
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,272
Catholic Northern Ireland,
Catholic Ulster,

338
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,993
does not really feature
in his political agenda.

339
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,672
Craig, I think, associates
Catholicism with a challenge

340
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,950
to the state that he finds himself
ruler of.

341
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,630
He associates Catholicism with subversion.

342
00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:02,591
But Unionism comes together from a variety
of very different institutions and forces.

343
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,234
It's absolutely not a monolithic group,

344
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,037
and it contains a spectrum of those who
are ferocious in their anti-Catholicism,

345
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,710
across towards a more liberal take
on the Union and Unionism.

346
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,232
Across the river is Donegal in the South.

347
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,475
This is Clady in County Tyrone,

348
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,718
one of the six counties
of the new Northern Ireland state.

349
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,035
The Prime Minister James Craig

350
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,153
had built here a Protestant state
for a Protestant people.

351
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,352
Many years later, a Unionist leader
trying to forge peace with nationalists

352
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,918
would ruefully acknowledge that this
had been a cold house for Catholics,

353
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,635
a place of discrimination and exclusion.

354
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,714
Catholics materially
were better off in Northern Ireland

355
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,228
than they were in the Irish Free State.

356
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,511
But politics matters more than economics.

357
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,836
Catholics were not welcome,
and that was clear.

358
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,591
They had to listen to a tirade of abuse
coming up to 12th July every year.

359
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,438
They had to listen to
Unionist politicians boasting

360
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,790
that they'd never employed a Catholic,
never would employ a Catholic,

361
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,637
wouldn't have one around the place.

362
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:31,995
That sort of chilly feeling of not being
wanted produces serious disaffection.

363
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,719
<i>But in the South, the new government
of Cumann na nGaedheal,</i>

364
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,389
<i>led by Michael Collins' heirs,
had neither the military means,</i>

365
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,150
<i>economic power or desire
to wage a war of territorial redemption.</i>

366
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,510
<i>The South opted for stability.</i>

367
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,115
<i>Even with the arrival in power in 1932
of Eamon de Valera,</i>

368
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,594
<i>now leading the Fianna Fáil party,</i>

369
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,599
<i>rhetoric would be
a comforting substitute for action.</i>

370
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:14,034
Ireland united, Ireland free,
these are the ideals

371
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:20,155
to which enthusiastic young Ireland
is now devoting its energy.

372
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,273
Whatever the rhetoric,
whatever the propaganda campaigns,

373
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,632
de Valera realised that unification
was not going to happen,

374
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,831
and he may even have seen
advantages in that.

375
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,509
I think the majority of Southerners
were quite happy

376
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,755
that Northern Ireland was gone,

377
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,713
that the wretched Unionists
were corralled in their area,

378
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,880
and were not coming down and not
interfering with their setup in the South.

379
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,273
<i>The founding father of Irish nationalism,
Wolfe Tone,</i>

380
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,598
<i>imagined a nation that united
Catholic, Protestant and dissenter.</i>

381
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,950
<i>But Ireland was now
an island of two states</i>

382
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,357
<i>in which religion
would be a primary badge of identity.</i>

383
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,552
Here at the Phoenix Park in 1932,
vast crowds gathered

384
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,070
for a religious festival
that would symbolise

385
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,873
the character of the new Irish state.

386
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,550
Whatever rhetorical gestures might
be made to the Protestants of Ulster,

387
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,750
this was a Catholic nation.

388
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,159
The clergy, for somebody like
de Valera, were very important.

389
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,589
They were his advisors.

390
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,350
The leaders also had brothers
who were priests or nuns.

391
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,552
That clerical establishment
was very much integrated in a way

392
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,239
that, if you were a political leader,

393
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,990
the likelihood is that, if you were
a Catholic, you would not be very distant

394
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,352
from some relative or brother
who was in orders or a nun.

395
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,359
<i>De Valera's landmark constitution
of 1937</i>

396
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,517
<i>avoided making Catholicism
the state religion,</i>

397
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,075
<i>offering instead
a vaguer special position.</i>

398
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,956
<i>Since the 19th century, Church power
had been deeply embedded.</i>

399
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,392
<i>Ireland was a nation of mass devotion,</i>

400
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,639
<i>and the overwhelming majority of children
were educated in Church-run schools.</i>

401
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,956
<i>But this central role came at a price.</i>

402
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,836
Church control of education
was close to absolute,

403
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,839
but its power also extended deep
into the criminal justice system.

404
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,237
This is the old Letterfrack
Industrial School in County Galway.

405
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,999
It was one of a network
of such institutions

406
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,430
up and down the country
where the state consigned children.

407
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,795
<i>Many of these institutions
were set up under British rule.</i>

408
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,469
<i>The new rulers of Ireland
would prove as inadequate as the old</i>

409
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,511
<i>in protecting the young.</i>

410
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,598
<i>Physical and sexual abuse on a large scale</i>

411
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,200
<i>was part of the secret history
of the new state.</i>

412
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,437
You were constantly
waiting to be set upon.

413
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,358
St Joseph's Industrial School,
Letterfrack,

414
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:41,191
was an extremely violent place
in an extremely violent Irish society.

415
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,079
<i>Mannix Flynn, who came from
a poor Dublin background,</i>

416
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,111
<i>was sent to Letterfrack
in the early 1960s.</i>

417
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,275
An individual I saw one night being
dragged out of the bed, his head beaten

418
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,834
against a wall.

419
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,633
What blood came out of the person,
the brother then

420
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,990
dragged this young boy
up and down the dormitory,

421
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,510
wiping him in his own blood
to clean it off the floor.

422
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,915
Depending on what kind of venom

423
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,793
the individual who was perpetrating
the violence on you,

424
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,035
whatever brother
or whatever civilian it was

425
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,753
that was attached to the school,
it could last for weeks.

426
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,751
They were children from working-class
backgrounds, from mixed families.

427
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,635
Some of them were the children of mothers
who had children out of wedlock.

428
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,796
Some of them
were from other institutions,

429
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,671
having been in orphanages and orphaned.

430
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,438
They were the dirty poor

431
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,270
that didn't fit into the emerging
Irish Catholic middle classes.

432
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,029
This society, since the foundation
of the state, has continued

433
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,230
the containment of a class of people,

434
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,955
a segregation of a class of people
that it sees as God's mistake.

435
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,795
<i>Church influence spread far beyond
the care of the young.</i>

436
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,869
<i>From the bishops' palaces
came regular diktats on cultural morality.</i>

437
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,276
<i>Eamon de Valera's friend,
the Archbishop of Dublin,</i>

438
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,189
<i>John Charles McQuaid, kept a close eye
on the republic's creative spirits.</i>

439
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,554
<i>His files are a trove of insight
into the thinking of the archbishop</i>

440
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,875
<i>on a whole range of issues.</i>

441
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,354
This is the box relating to censorship.

442
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,710
And in it, there's a letter from
a parish priest who wants to put on

443
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,548
a showing for his parishioners
of the Oscar-winning movie <i>Gigi.</i>

444
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,795
But the plan has to be abandoned. Why?

445
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,197
Well, according to this file, the film
contains a reference to a prostitute.

446
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,870
<i>Banned were some of the greatest names
in the Irish literary canon.</i>

447
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,153
<i>James Joyce, George Bernard Shaw,
Frank O'Connor and scores of others.</i>

448
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,591
<i>And yet in this atmosphere of constraint,
Irish literature flourished.</i>

449
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,158
Literature acquired a kind of weird
glamour by virtue of being persecuted,

450
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,794
probably in the way it did
in Soviet Russia.

451
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,389
If you say these people
are important enough to suppress,

452
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,352
you are saying
they are very damned important.

453
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,392
<i>Remarkable talents like Flann O'Brien</i>

454
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,672
<i>produced defiantly Irish masterpieces
in a European surrealist tradition.</i>

455
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:32,078
It's as if the radicalism
got annulled in political politics

456
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,475
and rerouted almost entirely
into literature.

457
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,640
The more repression there was
at an official daylight level,

458
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,831
the more creatively deranged
the texts produced.

459
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,237
It's as if the Irish were straights by day
and swingers by night.

460
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,912
<i>De Valera followed Church advice
on morality, but it was not his obsession.</i>

461
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,474
<i>From the time he came to power in 1932,</i>

462
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,351
<i>through his 16 years in office,</i>

463
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,551
<i>his central preoccupation
was Irish sovereignty.</i>

464
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,511
<i>When World War II broke out,</i>

465
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,792
<i>de Valera resisted Churchill's urgings
to join the fight.</i>

466
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,718
<i>Ireland remained neutral.</i>

467
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,152
There was
a considerable degree of public support

468
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,918
for that stance, and there was
a considerable degree of pride

469
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,679
in the idea
that we <i>could</i> go our own way.

470
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,278
Partly because this is a country

471
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,709
that is still relatively raw
from the civil war.

472
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,356
And if de Valera
had decided to go in and fight

473
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,676
on the part of the Allies, it could well
have divided the body politic.

474
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,678
<i>But it was an ambiguous neutrality.</i>

475
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,314
<i>When the German air force
attacked Belfast,</i>

476
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,751
<i>de Valera sent firemen
to help fight the blaze.</i>

477
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,678
<i>Germans bailing out over the South
were interned,</i>

478
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,349
<i>while their Allied counterparts
were allowed to return to Ulster.</i>

479
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,960
<i>When the IRA declared war
against Britain,</i>

480
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,719
<i>de Valera imprisoned
and even executed its members.</i>

481
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,313
<i>Yet, on Hitler's death, de Valera
offered his condolences to Germany.</i>

482
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,239
<i>While Europe burned, de Valera
set out his vision for an Ireland</i>

483
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,829
<i>that would be distinctive
in its culture and values.</i>

484
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,430
The Ireland that we dreamed of

485
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,357
would be the home of a people

486
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,518
who valued material wealth
only as a basis for right living.

487
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,156
Of a people who,
satisfied with frugal comfort,

488
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,795
devoted their leisure
to the things of the spirit.

489
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,391
A land whose countryside
would be bright with cosy homesteads,

490
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,558
with the romping of sturdy children,
and the laughter of happy maidens.

491
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,792
<i>Yet to cast this giant
of the Irish 20th century</i>

492
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,912
<i>as an inward-looking nationalist
would be wrong.</i>

493
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,235
<i>He had chaired the League of Nations.</i>

494
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,956
The avoidance of wars and of
the burden of preparatory armament

495
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,594
is of such concern to humanity

496
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,315
that no state should be permitted
to jeopardise the common interest

497
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,035
by selfish action
contrary to the covenant.

498
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,152
<i>When the League was succeeded
by the United Nations,</i>

499
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,192
<i>de Valera made striking gestures
of independence.</i>

500
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,800
<i>From Dublin came his instructions</i>

501
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,559
<i>to support Red China's
application to join the UN,</i>

502
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,433
<i>to the horror of America.</i>

503
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,028
<i>He established the commitment
which saw Irish troops</i>

504
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,117
<i>serve in their thousands
on peacekeeping missions.</i>

505
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,477
There is a real paradox here.
De Valera was well aware

506
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,559
of Ireland's international role,
yet his vision for the Irish

507
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,071
demanded that they remain
uncontaminated by foreign ideas.

508
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,590
It was a vision at odds with modernity.

509
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,195
<i>Economic conflict with Britain had
damaged Ireland at the outset of his rule.</i>

510
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,314
<i>Stagnation deepened with the years.</i>

511
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,989
<i>Around half a million people
would leave Ireland,</i>

512
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,838
<i>most seeking a better life in Britain,</i>

513
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,158
<i>the country de Valera had spent his life
fighting against for Irish sovereignty.</i>

514
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,317
If you had to characterise
the Ireland of de Valera,

515
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,679
how would you describe it?

516
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,996
Very inward-looking. Very complacent.

517
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,316
And most of all, very poor.

518
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,238
The last week in secondary school,

519
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,872
the headmaster came in and asked us,

520
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,549
those of us who were in the class -
there were about 30 of us in the class -

521
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,750
how many of us saw our future in Ireland,

522
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,189
and the answer was two out of the 30.

523
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,390
I was one of those two, by the way.

524
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:51,669
<i>By the time de Valera retired at
the age of 77, Ireland wanted change.</i>

525
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,480
<i>The leader who took over in 1959
was another veteran of revolution,</i>

526
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,795
<i>but he displayed a steely pragmatism</i>

527
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,879
<i>utterly different from de Valera's
mystical vision of Irishness.</i>

528
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,150
<i>Sean Lemass encouraged foreign
investment, removed trade barriers,</i>

529
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,035
<i>urged efficiency
and modernisation in industry.</i>

530
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,799
We started off like all the other
newly free countries,

531
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,400
with the assumption that
freedom alone was enough

532
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,228
and that in freedom, economic difficulties
would right themselves.

533
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,396
We found out the hard way
that this wasn't so.

534
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,356
<i>Ireland had begun to catch up
with the great post-war modernisation.</i>

535
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,556
<i>The young were beneficiaries
of free secondary education</i>

536
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,832
<i>and a society again open
to outside cultural influence.</i>

537
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,756
<i>Television challenged the voice
of both priest and politician.</i>

538
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,519
<i>Women joined the workforce
in growing numbers</i>

539
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,755
<i>and challenged discriminatory laws.</i>

540
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,518
<i>And across the border,
the changing world of the '60s</i>

541
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,791
<i>seemed to inspire
a new kind of Unionism.</i>

542
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,635
<i>A leader emerged
who offered a friendlier face</i>

543
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,831
<i>to the Catholic minority
and to the South.</i>

544
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,997
<i>In January 1965,
O'Neill and Lemass made history</i>

545
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,554
<i>by meeting together at Stormont</i> -

546
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,398
<i>the beginnings of North-South détente.</i>

547
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,510
How important is that moment?

548
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,634
I think it's symbolically
of huge significance. This is the first

549
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:47,152
official meeting of the two
heads of state since the 1920s.

550
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,714
We discussed this
during our meeting,

551
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,432
which of us would get into
the most trouble.

552
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,675
I said I would, and he said he would.

553
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,156
He did get into a certain amount
of trouble during the first six weeks,

554
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,997
but nothing to the trouble
that I got into.

555
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,830
Captain O'Neill
recently said that the South of Ireland

556
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,668
was a very beautiful young lady

557
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:12,794
and that he was very glad
to talk to her over the hedge.

558
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,310
We don't look upon
the South of Ireland

559
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,477
as a beautiful young lady...

560
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,752
The liberal aspirations
are very much overdue,

561
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,830
but part of the difficulty with
the O'Neill project is O'Neill himself.

562
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,553
But O'Neill is an extraordinarily
patrician figure

563
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,559
who does not connect
with nationalism or Unionism

564
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,717
and, in the end, is simply
not able to deliver the votes.

565
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,158
<i>By 1968, O'Neill had been outflanked
by the older forces of fear.</i>

566
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,589
<i>Détente with the South was over.</i>

567
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,915
<i>But in this year of rebellion,
a movement rises in Northern Ireland</i>

568
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,235
<i>to demand equal rights for Catholics.</i>

569
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,471
<i>For the Ulster Protestants,
the civil rights movement</i>

570
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,636
<i>was the old Catholic conspiracy,</i>

571
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,470
<i>not a movement for change inspired
by the unrest of that momentous year.</i>

572
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,993
<i>The following year,
sectarian rioting erupted.</i>

573
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,315
<i>The IRA, long in decline, re-emerged</i>

574
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,672
<i>to present itself as the people's
protector against a hostile state.</i>

575
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,558
<i>Republican and Loyalist paramilitaries,</i>

576
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,990
<i>policemen and soldiers,
fought over the old ground.</i>

577
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,794
Nothing fired at them whatsoever.

578
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,354
There weren't even stones thrown
at them, and they opened fire.

579
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,755
People ran in all directions.
They call themselves an army.

580
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,279
It was completely outrageous.

581
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,792
The bus station was crowded
when a bomb went off without warning.

582
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,355
Within the space of
16 minutes alone, 13 blasts sent people

583
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,834
screaming from one place of safety
to another...

584
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,356
An army helicopter
was flown in to remove the casualties,

585
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,960
and this was then caught
in a separate explosion.

586
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,475
There can be
no question of political status.

587
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,988
Crime is crime is crime.

588
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,910
The Provisional IRA
have said they planted the bomb

589
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,236
at the Brighton hotel where Mrs Thatcher
and her ministers are staying.

590
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,475
Politics is the alternative to war.

591
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,988
Politics is about dialogue.
I'll talk to anyone.

592
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,077
That doesn't mean that I approve
of what they stand for.

593
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,359
<i>The war occasionally
spilled over into the South.</i>

594
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,837
<i>But partition had entrenched
a separation of the mind.</i>

595
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,759
<i>The six counties of Ulster
truly seemed a world away.</i>

596
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,396
<i>In the republic, a younger generation
pursued its own narrative of change,</i>

597
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,989
<i>pushing at the boundaries
of Church and of State.</i>

598
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,950
<i>This changing sense of Irishness was
the beginning of an extraordinary journey.</i>

599
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,791
<i>The Republic of Ireland now looked
increasingly beyond its shores,</i>

600
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,072
<i>as part of a European community.</i>

601
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,429
<i>Through the decades of change
from the '60s to the '90s,</i>

602
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,234
<i>Ireland moved
from stagnation to growth.</i>

603
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,115
<i>By the late '90s, it was among
the richest countries in Europe.</i>

604
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,115
<i>The country I'd left in the recession of
the 1980s was now the Celtic Tiger.</i>

605
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,711
<i>Low corporate tax
and a highly educated workforce</i>

606
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,557
<i>helped to produce record growth.</i>

607
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,112
Coming back on holidays
during the years of boom,

608
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,199
it was hard to suppress a sense of shock
at the sheer scale of the development.

609
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:20,789
Pride, too, in a country
that seemed to have shaken off

610
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,310
the more inward-looking elements
of its historic legacy.

611
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:30,117
But - and I claim no great prescience
here - I also had a lingering unease.

612
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,435
Where was the money coming from?

613
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,994
And who exactly was it benefiting?

614
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,917
<i>Inequality between rich and poor was
still among the worst in Western Europe.</i>

615
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:49,837
<i>And the idea of a new republic was
undermined by the old deference to power.</i>

616
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,709
Whatever else might be said about
the founding fathers of this state,

617
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,716
the revolutionary generation,

618
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,878
they were austere men,
devoted to public service.

619
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,356
But there emerged in this building
a new kind of politician,

620
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,868
one who understood that political power

621
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,549
could be the pathway
to great personal wealth.

622
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,718
<i>The man who came to symbolise
the Irish politics of cronyism</i>

623
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,753
<i>was Charles Haughey, leader
of the party de Valera had founded.</i>

624
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,430
<i>Talented and modernising,
yet he lived like an Ascendancy lord,</i>

625
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,074
<i>bankrolled by businessmen.</i>

626
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,873
Haughey entered
a very different Ireland in the 1960s,

627
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,480
demographically and economically.

628
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,670
There were more urban people
living in Ireland

629
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,109
for the first time,
than rural people, in its history.

630
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,991
That brought on all sorts of pressures.

631
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,917
More people wanted access to services,

632
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,951
more people were looking for
planning permission,

633
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,558
where a lot of the corruption
in Ireland was.

634
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,879
New politicians stepped in.
They were self-made men.

635
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,595
<i>While Ireland embraced Europe
and the technology of modernity,</i>

636
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,589
<i>the political system was rooted
in 19th-century localism.</i>

637
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,838
<i>Ireland's new political titan
sailed his own yacht</i>

638
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,440
<i>to the small island he owned.</i>

639
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,438
<i>In Ireland, the parish
and not the nation</i>

640
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,995
<i>remained the centre
of the democratic universe.</i>

641
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,511
<i>Land, such a fundamental obsession
of the Irish psyche for centuries,</i>

642
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,994
<i>was at the centre
of the new clamber for wealth.</i>

643
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,713
<i>Beginning in the 1960s,
bribes had been paid</i>

644
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,911
<i>to rezone green fields
for building development.</i>

645
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,679
<i>The lost fields of
de Valera's Gaelic idyll</i>

646
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,598
<i>were the new currency
of wealth and power.</i>

647
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,473
<i>Even as the country boomed,</i>

648
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,594
<i>judicial tribunals revealed the scale
of corruption in Irish public life.</i>

649
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,672
The Moriarty Tribunal,
which sat in this very yard,

650
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:50,669
estimated that between 1979 and 1996,
for a substantive phase

651
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,314
when Charles Haughey
was Taoiseach during that time,

652
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,555
he received over nine million
in donations.

653
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,798
There seems to be a very clear
relationship between Haughey receiving

654
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,718
substantive amounts of donations
when he was in power,

655
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,193
and when he wasn't in power,

656
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,390
he didn't seem to receive
that much money at all.

657
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,515
<i>As Ireland turned towards a new
millennium, the gleaming buildings rose.</i>

658
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,755
<i>But old certainties unravelled.</i>

659
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,473
<i>Scandals rocked the authority
of the Church as the full scale</i>

660
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,159
<i>of clerical child abuse was revealed.</i>

661
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,990
<i>The tribunals continued to hear
allegations of corruption in public life.</i>

662
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,588
<i>Yet prosperity and the old habits of
deference insured public quiescence.</i>

663
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,876
It's often been remarked

664
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,435
that the Irish people
are very sophisticated politically,

665
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,232
that the Irish are very defiant,

666
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,316
that the Irish are rebels.

667
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,477
Now, when you contrast that
with the lack of protest,

668
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,798
with the lack of civic engagement, with
the lack of a demand for accountability,

669
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,149
for the abuse of power,
you have to ask yourself,

670
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,078
are a lot of those assertions
about the Irish character

671
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,396
and Irish rebelliousness
actually mythical?

672
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,599
<i>But in 2008, a financial catastrophe
unleashed public anger.</i>

673
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,628
<i>Ireland's economy was already in decline</i>

674
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,148
<i>when America's property bubble exploded.</i>

675
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,758
<i>In Ireland, prices collapsed.</i>

676
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,631
<i>Thousands were forced to emigrate.</i>

677
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,629
<i>The ghost estates became the symbol
of a nation in decline.</i>

678
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,715
<i>Here, opposite Kilmainham Gaol,
where the leaders of 1916 were executed,</i>

679
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,957
<i>there's a monument which stands
next to the empty office buildings</i>

680
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,594
<i>of the Celtic Tiger.</i>

681
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,912
<i>It reminds the Irish people
of the proclamation of a nation</i>

682
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,076
<i>that would cherish all its children.</i>

683
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,398
As Ireland enters the second decade
of the 21 st century,

684
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,309
there seemed the possibility that the old
way of doing things might be overthrown.

685
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,796
This wasn't a transformation
that could happen overnight

686
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,637
or in the space of one election.

687
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,353
But there were deeper stirrings of dissent

688
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,678
that suggested that an entire
political culture could be changed.

689
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,076
And there was already
a recent powerful example of that

690
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,830
here on the island, in a place
we might least have expected.

691
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,757
If what has been agreed
is implemented in full good faith,

692
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,394
all of the people of Northern Ireland
will gain.

693
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,954
There are no victors, nor any losers.

694
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,158
The agreement proposes changes

695
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,751
in the Irish constitution
and in British constitutional law

696
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,794
to enshrine the principle
that it is the people of Northern Ireland

697
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,277
who will decide, democratically,
their own future.

698
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,237
I think the change came when war-weariness
overtook war-readiness,

699
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,716
and I think that happens
sometime in the 1980s,

700
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,194
and certainly by the early 1990s

701
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,959
there was the feeling
that this cannot go on.

702
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,991
We're into the second generation now.

703
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,315
People were committing atrocities

704
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,352
who had not been born
when the Troubles began.

705
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,398
<i>The peace has so far endured</i>

706
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,149
<i>the challenge of unreconciled
Republican dissidents.</i>

707
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,957
<i>But the pain of 30 years of killing
haunts quiet living rooms across Ulster.</i>

708
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,632
We want better lives
for our children and our grandchildren

709
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,432
and their children too.

710
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,510
That's a lovely photograph of
the two of you, in a harbour somewhere.

711
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,516
- In Ardglass.
- Right.

712
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,278
- Down at the coast.
- Yeah.

713
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,476
<i>Bridget Mooney's husband, Raymond,</i>

714
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,592
<i>was murdered in the grounds
of a church in September 1986</i>

715
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,189
<i>in retaliation for the IRA murder
of a leading Loyalist.</i>

716
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,399
That's where we had
our wedding reception.

717
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,829
So, this is the two of you
on the day of your wedding?

718
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,474
- It is indeed.
- Where were you married?

719
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,873
In Ardoyne.

720
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,751
So were you married in the same church

721
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,075
- Raymond would later be murdered in?
- Yeah.

722
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,430
And all of my grandchildren
who have been born so far,

723
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,630
all of them christened in Ardoyne.

724
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,200
So much of this conflict -
and I'm not just talking about

725
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,038
what's happened in the last 30 years,
but for hundreds of years -

726
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,039
has been driven by fear and by hatred.

727
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,594
I just wonder, do you feel hatred,

728
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,949
now, towards the people
who killed your husband?

729
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,989
No.

730
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,235
For the simple reason, if...

731
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,115
Hatred and bitterness are feelings

732
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,518
and I refuse to let people
who took my husband's life

733
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,599
have any place in my body,

734
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,631
in my heart, in my head.

735
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,035
And no, I hate nobody.

736
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,550
Have you ever wanted to,
and have you ever thought about,

737
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,272
leaving Northern Ireland?

738
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,792
Never. Not while my husband's body's
in the city cemetery. Never.

739
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,230
And I've never even
thought about it, no. No.

740
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,510
And I'll never leave
Northern Ireland now.

741
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,473
The poet John Hewitt,
writing at the height of the Troubles,

742
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:48,959
urged that we should, "Bear in mind
I can find no plainer words."

743
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,551
He was reflecting on a conflict
in which men killed and died

744
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,797
for the sake of contested identities.

745
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,355
This was not, Hewitt implied, patriotism.

746
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,757
"Patriotism has to do with
keeping the country in good heart,

747
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,679
"the community ordered
with justice and mercy."

748
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:15,637
Hewitt's lines might stand as one of
the enduring lessons of the Irish story.

749
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,519
The decommissioning
of the arms of the IRA

750
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,120
is now an accomplished fact.

751
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:30,998
<i>The IRA abandoned war, and Unionists
agreed to share power with Catholics.</i>

752
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,950
<i>After 30 years of war,
in which more than 3,500 people died,</i>

753
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,994
<i>the IRA accepted the partitioned Ireland
agreed by Michael Collins and the British.</i>

754
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,431
<i>Unity was an aspiration
to be achieved by peaceful means.</i>

755
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,389
<i>In the South, the romantic nationalism of
earlier generations had largely vanished.</i>

756
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,159
<i>When the republic voted to abandon
its territorial claim on the six counties,</i>

757
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,988
<i>it seemed an act of practical patriotism.</i>

758
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,751
It's an acceptance

759
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,156
of political reality and an acceptance
of engagement with the outside world,

760
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,599
including Northern Ireland.

761
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,632
We no longer have to,
as it were, wave the flag.

762
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,912
There's a feeling of Irishness
that is real, and much deeper,

763
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,713
in my view, than what existed
in the '30s and '40s.

764
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,475
<i>The republic is now having to accommodate
a broader sense of Irishness.</i>

765
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,956
<i>There is racism, but far-right politics
have not taken root here.</i>

766
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,033
How many children have parents
who are from outside of Ireland?

767
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,150
How about yourself?
Where are your parents from?

768
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,236
- Russian.
- And you over here?

769
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,269
- Poland.
- Lithuania.

770
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,469
Lithuania, and Poland as well.

771
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,034
<i>10% of the population of the South
is now foreign-born.</i>

772
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,592
<i>These are the children of those who
came here in the boom to find work.</i>

773
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,436
<i>Economic globalisation
changed the idea of Irish identity.</i>

774
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,399
The old concept of an Irish identity,
the one that I grew up with,

775
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,274
which was that being Irish
was Gaelic and Catholic,

776
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,231
that's gone, really, hasn't it?

777
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,636
There are still plenty of Gaels around,
plenty of Catholics around,

778
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,831
but what's nice about the time
we're entering now is the sense that

779
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:54,193
you don't have to be
both of those things to be Irish

780
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:59,758
and that Irish identity now can draw
from many, many, many wells,

781
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,395
and we're going to build, between us,
the Ireland of tomorrow.

782
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,911
And who can say what
Irish identity will morph into?

783
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,153
<i>The first inhabitants of this island
came from Europe.</i>

784
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,599
<i>They were open to change
and absorbed waves of invasion.</i>

785
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,919
<i>They embraced a spiritual revolution
and carried it to distant lands.</i>

786
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,830
<i>The old hatreds have not vanished,</i>

787
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,952
<i>but the Irish have moved
to peaceful co-existence.</i>

788
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,274
<i>There has been famine,
revolution and civil war.</i>

789
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,556
<i>But in an age of uncertainty,</i>

790
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:00,276
<i>we can surely draw strength from
the memory of what has been overcome.</i>

791
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,474
The story of Ireland
has always been a narrative of change,

792
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,080
unpredictable and dynamic.

793
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:14,911
The past is no longer
a melancholy burden or a reason to hate.

794
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,713
We're never entirely free
of the claims of history,

795
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,320
but neither are we its prisoners.

796
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,434
Ireland today is an island
of possibility, an open island.

797
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:36,500
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