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Dave Grohl: I wrote this ballad,
it goes like this... It goes...
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( plays "Stairway To Heaven" )
( all laughing )
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I know it's kinda...
It's kinda long.
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It's got a bunch
of parts to it.
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We should record it
in three different parts.
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( music intro playing )
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Wow, Chris, what's that?
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Chris Shiflett: It's a little
something I've been working on.
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Grohl: Cool.
( drumsticks rapping )
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Shiflett: What? I got it.
I got it.
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( strumming
"Bohemian Rhapsody" )
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Grohl: Oh, I like that.
You ought to make...
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Naw, I got nothing.
I'll figure it out, though.
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- Rami Jaffee: I got one.
- Grohl: Hold on.
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( playing "Layla" on keyboard )
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- Oh. Oh!
- Grohl: That's really pretty.
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You know what we should do?
We should tag that, uh...
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at the end of this thing
I've been writing.
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Fuckin' fooled around with this thing...
It goes...
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( playing
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" )
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Whoa!
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Yeah... No,
I don't think that one's gonna work.
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B side, B side.
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( strums guitar )
Okay, ready?
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- Taylor Hawkins: Ready?
- Grohl: Let's record a song.
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One, two, three, four.
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( theme music playing )
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Sync, corrected by icephoenix
www.addic7ed.com
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( guitar chord rings )
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Grohl: It's an oasis, you know.
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There's a lot of country
out there.
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I mean, there's a lot of space,
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and then in the middle
of all that space,
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some of the coolest,
freakiest stuff
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comes out of this city,
you know,
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that goes on to inspire
people around the world.
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Tim Kerr:
If you're into music, art,
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any sort of
self-expression like that,
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you tend to kinda
gravitate to here.
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Jimmie Vaughan:
There is a certain feeling
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that you get when you go there,
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and I think that's what happened
to me when I was a kid.
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It was wide open, it felt free.
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You could do anything.
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Jimmie Dale Gilmore:
I think there's something here.
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There's something
geographically
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or, I don't know,
mystically or something.
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It's not only
an oasis in Texas,
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I think it's an oasis
in the whole country.
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Gibby Haynes: You know,
a lot of people think that it's
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this oasis of liberalism
in the middle of Texas...
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The cowboy next door
with his rodeo wife,
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and the lesbian couple
on the other side of you...
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But what you don't realize
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is the lesbian couple
voted for Bush
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and the rodeo wife
is the closeted lesbian.
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It's so...
It's just a weird place.
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I mean, there's so much stuff
that's come out of this place
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that kinda "started things"
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that it's kind of...
It is kind of amazing.
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And I don't know if it's the water,
the attitude or what,
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but it's just...
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( rock music playing )
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David Yow: You know,
in the '60s it was such a hippie town
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and then late '70s and '80s,
pretty punk rock.
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Somewhere in the '90s
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it really started
turning into just crazy.
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It became a big small town.
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♪ Fight, fight, fight! ♪
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♪ That's what we say... ♪
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Boy, they will tell you
what they are.
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That is the "live music capital of the world,"
isn't it?
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Isn't it what they say?
"Live music capital
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of bar bands," or whatever?
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God bless 'em.
I love Austin.
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Gilmore:
That was all a deliberate
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Chamber of Commerce kinda thing...
That Austin
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is the "live music capital of the world"
and everything,
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but...
But there's some truth to it.
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Gary Clark Jr.: Then you can go from
hearing a reggae band to rock,
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to blues, to jazz, country...
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like, next door to each other
every single night.
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People wonder why Austin
has never become
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like another Nashville or L.A.
when it comes to the music business.
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Austin is more of a creative incubator,
really.
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It's...
It's a great place for musicians
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to get together
and just work it out.
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( blues music playing )
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And the scene began
to take shape in the '70s
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really when Willie
came to town.
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♪ Whiskey River, take my mind. ♪
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♪ Don't let her memory
torture me... ♪
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Grohl: Now you were born
in Abbott, Texas?
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- Willie Nelson: Mm-hmm.
- Grohl: It seems like
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a lot of songwriters will
go from Texas to Nashville,
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but you seem like you were one
of the few that went back.
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Well, I went there for a while
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and stayed there for quite
a few years and liked it,
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but most of my work
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was in Texas, and west.
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That's where,
you know, I grew up,
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and I hear it in my music,
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and it's not hard to figure out
where it came from.
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( music playing )
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♪ On the road again... ♪
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Nelson: And I thought
about Houston first.
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My sister lived in Austin,
so I visited her
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and decided that, you know,
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that's where I'd start out.
Then we had the first
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Fourth of July picnic
over in Dripping Springs
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and that changed
a lot of things.
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♪ On the road again... ♪
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Gilmore: Austin already
was a music town,
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but it was really
when Willie came to town
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that somehow
all the things converged.
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That's sort of what
really brought Austin
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to a public knowledge.
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Steve Earle:
Willie moving back to Texas
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kind of changed my life.
I probably wouldn't, you know...
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I definitely wouldn't be
exactly who I am
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if it hadn't been for that.
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All of a sudden I didn't
get my ass kicked
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because I had long hair
and cowboy boots.
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♪ Whiskey River,
don't run dry. ♪
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♪ You're all I've got to take care of...
One more time... ♪
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Earle: You know,
this thing that happened
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where all these hippies were
coming out to see Willie's gigs,
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I mean,
I can remember seeing Willie
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at a place called
the Half Dollar
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and the hippies went and sat on
the dance floor in the front.
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And people started dancing
by them and kicking them...
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You know, cowboy boots,
in the small of the back
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as they came by...
And Willie stopped.
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He... Just in the middle in the song,
he said,
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"There's room for some to sit
and for some to dance."
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Terry Lickona:
It was like the first time
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that the rednecks
and the hippies
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had been in the same room anywhere,
especially in Texas,
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and they were all
doing the same thing...
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Pass the beer around,
pass the joint around...
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And, uh, realized that they
had something in common,
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namely the music.
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♪ Stay all night,
stay a little longer. ♪
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♪ Dance all night,
dance a little longer. ♪
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♪ Pull off your coat,
throw it in the corner... ♪
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Billy Gibbons:
What I like about Willie
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is he is quite underrated
as a lead guitarist.
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His solo work
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on that crazy beat-up
Martin guitar is phenomenal.
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( playing solo )
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♪ Someday,
when we meet up yonder... ♪
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Gibbons: We've remained
pals for four decades.
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Love Willie Nelson.
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♪ We will stroll
hand in hand again... ♪
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David Fricke: It's one thing to listen
to Willie Nelson on Spotify.
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It's another thing
to see him in Austin,
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because there you're seeing him
in his native habitat...
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Why he is the way he is.
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♪ Blue eyes cryin'
in the rain... ♪
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Grohl: I wanted to ask you about
Austin City Limits.
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- Mm-hmm.
- Were you the first?
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I was the first.
Think I played it more than anybody.
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Lickona: They talked Willie Nelson
into doing it for 500 bucks.
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Lone Star Beer put up
some money to pay for it,
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and the show aired on PBS.
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♪ Well, it's
a Bloody Mary morning. ♪
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♪ Baby left me without warning
sometime in the night... ♪
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Without question,
I think Austin City Limits
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brought international attention
to this small town.
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- Grohl: Did you watch it a lot?
- Oh, yeah.
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I went to tapings
from time to time.
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You know, 'cause you could...
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They weren't that hard
to get into.
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And you know that...
That Austin City Limits
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was in that old rusty building
on campus forever and ever.
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Now the last time I did it
was one of the last tapings
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in the old studios.
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Lickona:
It started in that room
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and it stayed in that room
for 36 years.
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We're in a new room today,
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brand-new,
state of the art facility.
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Although we have moved out
of the original studio,
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it's completely intact.
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If you walked in the door
you could turn on the lights
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and the stage is still there,
the bleachers are there,
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the skyline is there
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and nothing's changed.
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Grohl: If we could go in and
record on that stage, man,
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that would be huge.
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Like, I don't know how possible that is,
but, you know, I'm...
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It's totally possible.
Like I said, the studio is there.
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And even though the show
is downtown in our new venue,
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we still do all of our posts
back at the old place.
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So, I mean,
if you wanted to do everything in there, man,
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I'd be thrilled
to work with you
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and clear the time that you need to do it,
whatever.
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We have that on camera,
Terry, just so you know.
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- Cameraman: I'm still rolling.
- Grohl: We didn't cut yet.
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( song ends )
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( cheers, applause )
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( man clapping )
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Lickona: Well, this is it.
This is the so-called
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historic Studio 6A.
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Nobody thought
it was gonna be historic
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when it was built in 1974.
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Literally,
this studio is designed
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for all kinds of production
except for music.
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Nobody really anticipated
that we would do
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a live music show here.
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( Grohl whistling )
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( playing riff )
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Oh, we're making...
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Oh, we're recording
and making a TV show.
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- Man: Remember?
- Yeah.
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What's up?
( guitar playing )
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- That's the...
- Smear: That's a nice guitar.
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Grohl:
Have you played in here yet?
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It's rad.
It's really dry and fucking...
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But then...
What they did in there
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soundwise is sick.
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Okay, this is where we're
gonna put the dead body.
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Butch Vig: I think James and
I were a bit stressed
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before we came to Austin.
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We knew it wasn't set up
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like a traditional
recording studio.
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Two.
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Dude, you got to hold the button
down before you talk to me.
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I can't hear ya.
( speaker beeps )
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( voice garbled )
What?
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Vig: I think James
had been here before
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and said the room
was fairly "dry."
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( thumping )
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That's the one we used in Chicago,
isn't it?
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Vig: Because it's a
television studio,
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it doesn't have
a lot of ambiance,
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but we actually found out once we
got here and we set up the mics,
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it actually sounded really good...
Really cool.
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I started working
at the radio station
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in my hometown,
in Poughkeepsie... WPDH,
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and a listener called and said,
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"Have you ever been
to Austin?"
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I said, "No.
That's in Texas, right?"
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And he said, "There is an
incredible music scene in Austin,
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and you really ought to go
check it out someday."
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So, I was kind of looking
for an excuse for a road trip
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to go to Willie Nelson's
Fourth of July Picnic.
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Nelson: Thank you
very much and welcome
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to the Willie Nelson
Fourth of July Picnic.
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Is everybody loaded?
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( cheers, applause )
Great! 'Cause we are, too!
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( music playing )
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Lickona:
Spent a week in Austin
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and a musician friend
of mine and I
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kinda made a pact that we
were moving to Austin.
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I landed a job at KUT-FM
in the same building
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as the PBS station where
Austin City Limits was being born
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and talked my way into the job
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as producer of
Austin City Limits.
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I took over in season four,
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and that's when we built
this stage
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where Roy Orbison
hit those high notes
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that only he could.
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♪ You gotta take. ♪
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♪ If your lonely heart... ♪
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Hard to imagine
that Ray Charles
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and his 17-piece orchestra
actually did fit here somehow.
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♪ Georgia... ♪
( cheers, applause )
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Lickona: I always do the
introductions to the show
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from the stage
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and I was getting ready
to introduce Johnny Cash
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and noticed he's off
in the corner a little fidgety.
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Asked him if there
was anything he needed,
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and he just kind of
looked at me and said,
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"Nah, uh, I'm all right,
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it's just that this is
a real music show,
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and I just want to make sure
that I get it right."
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Hello, I'm Johnny Cash.
Good evening.
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( applause )
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Lickona: And afterwards,
Johnny called it
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one of the best TV performances
that he had ever done.
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We have had a lot
of historic moments
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take place in this room
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across all genres of music.
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Nelson: And they had good sound
for a change, on TV.
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Most of the time TV sound
hadn't got that good yet,
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but Austin City Limits and Terry
and those guys worked on it
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and they came up with
a pretty reasonable sound
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for a studio in television,
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and that's why a lot
of the bands wanted to go there.
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( music playing )
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♪ Come on. Baby,
don't you wanna go? ♪
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♪ I wanted love. ♪
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♪ I needed love,
most of all... ♪
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♪ I wanna know
should I stay or go? ♪
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♪ Make your dress all wet
and send it to me... ♪
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♪ Old man,
take a look at my life. ♪
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♪ I'm a lot like you... ♪
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( blues music playing )
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♪ Caught in the crossfire.
Yeah... ♪
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♪ Carry on... ♪
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♪ All of you lie
about something. ♪
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♪ You know you do, all of you. ♪
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♪ Shame on you
all of you... ♪
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All right, clap your hands!
Come on, let's go!
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♪ Send in your skeletons,
send in your skeletons... ♪
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Grohl: When the Foo Fighters
played Austin City Limits
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it was a big deal for all of us
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because we'd all grown up
watching the show.
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When you walk into that room
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and you step foot
on that stage,
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you can feel the ghosts
and the spirits come out of it.
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There's something
about that stage
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that's just different
than anywhere else.
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I don't know if they realized
how important the show was
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when they first started
doing it.
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There weren't too many of those shows
on television when I was a kid.
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Lickona: Music in Austin
was always a big thing.
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Their music scene
goes back to at least
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the 1930s and 1940s.
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There was this club called
the Victory Grill...
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♪ Mmm, baby... ♪
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Where people like B.B. King
and Bobby "Blue" Bland
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played some of their
first live shows.
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♪ Mm, mm... ♪
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Lickona: There was the Skyline Club,
which is the last place
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that Hank Williams played
before he died in 1952.
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♪ Hey, hey,
good lookin'... ♪
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And Elvis played five times,
you know,
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before anybody knew who he was.
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♪ Well, that's all right,
mama... ♪
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Earle:
By the 1950s and 1960s,
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Houston was really
the music Mecca.
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B.B. King, his entire band...
From Houston.
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Little Richard,
first recordings in Houston.
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In his autobiography,
Ray Charles says,
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"If you want to get a good band
go to Houston."
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Houston was the Mecca,
but Austin was
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where all the girls
in the halter tops were.
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( music playing )
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Austin was, uh, quite a magnet.
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♪ If you knew
Peggy Sue... ♪
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Lickona: I mean,
it was a big college town.
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The University of Texas
is 50,000 students.
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Earle:
What Austin is
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is it's a sister city
to San Francisco or Berkeley.
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There were health food stores,
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there were... It was...
You'd think
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that you'd dropped off
into California there.
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And there was like,
psychedelic bands, you know,
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the 13th Floor Elevators and,
you know,
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the Moving Sidewalks,
Billy Gibbons' first band.
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The Sidewalks and the Elevators
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lived in the same fucking
house in Houston.
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That was '66, '67.
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I was like 16
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and just learning
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how to traverse
new avenues of sound.
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♪ To find myself on this dreary,
dreary day... ♪
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Grohl: I know that you had bands
before the Moving Sidewalks,
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or was that really
the first one?
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We were previously
called the Saints.
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We added horns,
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we became this big
rhythm and blues thing.
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And then boom, 1966...
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♪ Oh, yeah!
Oh...! ♪
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The 13th Floor Elevators
appeared.
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♪ You're gonna wake up
one morning ♪
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♪ as the sun greets the dawn. ♪
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♪ You're gonna wake up
one morning ♪
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♪ as the sun
greets the dawn... ♪
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Gibbons: What Roky and his
gang were doing
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was off the chain.
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We suddenly changed our name
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to the Moving Sidewalks,
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you know...
"13th Floor Elevators,"
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okay,
"Moving Sidewalks."
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It's about forward motion,
go up, go forward.
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♪ Oh, you're gonna miss me,
baby. ♪
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♪ Oh! ♪
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♪ You're gonna miss me,
baby... ♪
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Gibbons: This was the same time
everybody was discovering
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mind-altering uh,
"interests."
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It was real live
d-lysergic acid diethylamide,
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you know, 25...
And it was because Owsley himself
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brought it there
and set up another chemist
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in the laboratories
at the University of Texas.
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And there was heroin...
( coughs )
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And there was some coke,
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every other kind of
psychedelic you could imagine.
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And some those "excursions"
were not so popular
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with, uh, law enforcement.
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And the "straight and narrow"
started becoming
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wider and wider and wider.
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( music playing )
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Gibbons: Now because of their
scrapes with the law,
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the Elevators wound up
in San Francisco
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when basically
the scene was coffeehouses.
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It was more of a folk scene.
400
00:18:30,499 --> 00:18:33,333
I went to school up there
near San Francisco.
401
00:18:33,385 --> 00:18:35,835
At that time the folk thing
was huge up there
402
00:18:35,887 --> 00:18:38,138
and jug bands
and stuff like that.
403
00:18:38,173 --> 00:18:39,255
Rock and roll, to us,
404
00:18:39,307 --> 00:18:41,007
was like, "squaresville,"
you know?
405
00:18:41,009 --> 00:18:43,092
We... You know,
folk was cool.
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And then, bang...
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Everybody went electric.
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00:18:46,898 --> 00:18:50,016
( electric guitar playing )
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Grohl:
I didn't realize
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that they were considered
to be the pioneers...
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00:18:55,157 --> 00:18:57,023
Oh, yeah, 'cause they went
to San Francisco and, like,
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we're playing that stuff,
and people were just like,
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you know... Yeah.
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♪ Within your glistening eyes♪
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♪ I'm watching... ♪
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Vig: The band I was in
in college, uh,
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we used to play
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Roky songs and
13th Floor Elevator songs.
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00:19:10,872 --> 00:19:13,122
If you listen to those
early records,
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I don't know anybody who was
quite doing what they did.
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00:19:18,046 --> 00:19:19,712
His music's fucking rad.
422
00:19:19,714 --> 00:19:21,714
Grohl: Yeah,
we got to learn "Two-Headed Dog."
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00:19:21,766 --> 00:19:23,349
Oh, cool.
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- Smear: It was a good song.
- Grohl: It's pretty good.
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Gibbons:
Roky Erickson's voice
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is the most wickedly lovely,
demonic sound.
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Vig: And one of the
greatest screams...
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00:19:37,199 --> 00:19:40,066
When he sings that first line
of "Two-Headed Dog," man,
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it's just one of the best
moments in rock and roll.
430
00:19:44,656 --> 00:19:47,740
♪ Two-headed dog,
two-headed dog. ♪
431
00:19:47,792 --> 00:19:52,545
♪ I've been working in the Kremlin
with a two-headed dog... ♪
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Hawkins:
What a goddamn pioneer.
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And I truly love
psychedelic rock.
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I really do.
I mean, I just do.
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I mean, I'd put echo on everything if I could,
you know?
436
00:20:02,641 --> 00:20:03,973
And I love the fact
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that one of my favorite bands
of all time,
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ZZ Top,
was totally influenced by him.
439
00:20:08,647 --> 00:20:10,563
Now he's not necessarily
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in the finest of mental health
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or whatever, he...
He's brilliant.
442
00:20:16,738 --> 00:20:18,905
You know, kind of a genius.
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00:20:18,940 --> 00:20:21,608
♪ Two-headed dog,
two headed dog. ♪
444
00:20:21,610 --> 00:20:25,278
♪ I've been working in the Kremlin
with a two-headed dog... ♪
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Grohl: How would you
describe the Elevators
446
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for someone
that's never heard 'em?
447
00:20:29,618 --> 00:20:32,118
Well, uh, I guess they'd
get into it right off, you know,
448
00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:33,753
'cause it... That music,
449
00:20:33,788 --> 00:20:35,755
it's kind of careful music,
you know.
450
00:20:35,790 --> 00:20:37,924
But we did come up with it,
451
00:20:37,959 --> 00:20:40,376
you know, and everything,
you know.
452
00:20:40,428 --> 00:20:42,629
Once you guys became
an established band,
453
00:20:42,681 --> 00:20:46,683
did you see the whole thing,
like, getting bigger and bigger?
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Roky Erickson:
Uh, well, we just, uh,
455
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each time we'd play, you know,
456
00:20:50,689 --> 00:20:53,439
we'd feel more confident about
what we were doing, you know.
457
00:20:53,475 --> 00:20:55,725
We'd get flashy clothes
and stuff like that
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00:20:55,777 --> 00:20:57,393
that would look like, you know,
459
00:20:57,445 --> 00:20:59,979
Davy Crockett
or something like that.
460
00:21:00,031 --> 00:21:02,315
You know,
I've met Billy Gibbons...
461
00:21:02,367 --> 00:21:05,318
- Mm-hmm.
- I like him a lot. He's a really good dude.
462
00:21:05,370 --> 00:21:09,322
And, um, someone once told me
that they named their band
463
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kind of as a tribute
to you guys.
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00:21:11,660 --> 00:21:13,409
- Is that right?
- Did you not know that?
465
00:21:13,461 --> 00:21:14,744
Wow, I didn't know about that.
466
00:21:14,796 --> 00:21:17,163
- That's great, yeah.
- I mean, you know.
467
00:21:17,165 --> 00:21:18,331
Well, how did ZZ Top start?
468
00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:20,333
They just...
Somebody said "Well, you know,
469
00:21:20,385 --> 00:21:22,335
it'd be better to call you ZZ Top"
or something?
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00:21:22,387 --> 00:21:23,753
( both laughing )
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00:21:23,805 --> 00:21:25,805
Grohl: Did you get to see the
13th Floor Elevators?
472
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,006
Yeah, I saw them in a...
473
00:21:27,058 --> 00:21:29,309
I saw them in a
Chinese restaurant.
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- Grohl: What was it like?
- They were crazy.
475
00:21:31,229 --> 00:21:33,680
And, you know,
the guy had the electric jug and everything.
476
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( music playing )
Roky: Yeah! Yeah!
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00:21:37,068 --> 00:21:39,352
You know, it wasn't mainstream,
if you know what I mean,
478
00:21:39,404 --> 00:21:40,937
but they had records, you know.
479
00:21:40,989 --> 00:21:42,438
That's what I mean,
480
00:21:42,490 --> 00:21:44,107
that was what was cool
about Austin...
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They were getting away with it.
They were doing it.
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And they played all the time,
so...
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♪ I'm not coming home... ♪
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Gilmore: In the period
when I came here,
485
00:21:56,871 --> 00:22:00,173
the 13th Floor Elevators
had become really famous,
486
00:22:00,208 --> 00:22:05,011
and it was beginning
the decline of Roky.
487
00:22:05,046 --> 00:22:06,929
Grohl: How long did it last,
that band?
488
00:22:06,965 --> 00:22:10,600
Oh, about...
Oh, until, uh,
489
00:22:10,635 --> 00:22:14,103
they started, uh...
Tried to help me about...
490
00:22:14,139 --> 00:22:16,055
if they thought
I was in trouble
491
00:22:16,057 --> 00:22:18,057
for drugs or something like that,
you know.
492
00:22:18,109 --> 00:22:20,560
And then, that first time,
you know, they came over there
493
00:22:20,612 --> 00:22:22,195
and they said, "Wow."
494
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:25,114
They decided, "Look,
this guy's quit school in the 11th grade,"
495
00:22:25,150 --> 00:22:27,283
he's... And why,
because he has long hair
496
00:22:27,318 --> 00:22:30,036
and he's "too morbid"
and "weird beliefs," you know,
497
00:22:30,071 --> 00:22:32,989
and... And, um,
498
00:22:33,041 --> 00:22:36,242
and here he is, uh,
499
00:22:36,244 --> 00:22:37,710
in a psychedelic band.
500
00:22:37,746 --> 00:22:39,996
"Well, hey, buddy,
we got to put our finger on this."
501
00:22:40,048 --> 00:22:41,581
And they did.
502
00:22:41,633 --> 00:22:45,501
They had him, uh,
incarcerated for years and years
503
00:22:45,553 --> 00:22:49,422
on a trumped-up count
of whatever
504
00:22:49,424 --> 00:22:50,923
and he had a choice...
505
00:22:50,975 --> 00:22:56,646
Either go to prison
or go to a mental hospital.
506
00:22:56,681 --> 00:22:59,732
And he was advised,
"Don't go to prison.
507
00:22:59,768 --> 00:23:01,768
Maybe...
Maybe you can make it
508
00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:03,352
out of the mental ward."
509
00:23:03,405 --> 00:23:05,438
And fortunately he did,
510
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,490
thanks to his brother
and some well-wishers
511
00:23:07,525 --> 00:23:09,942
that had never forgotten
512
00:23:09,944 --> 00:23:12,862
what Roky stood for
in the '60s...
513
00:23:12,914 --> 00:23:14,614
That turning point.
514
00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:17,784
Grohl: 'Cause when I
listen to your voice,
515
00:23:17,836 --> 00:23:20,453
there's part of me
that I wondered if...
516
00:23:20,505 --> 00:23:22,205
If you like James Brown,
you know.
517
00:23:22,257 --> 00:23:24,123
- Yes, I do like James Brown.
- Do you really?
518
00:23:24,175 --> 00:23:25,925
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
519
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,428
Because when your voice gets up there
into that high stuff, like, "Yeah!"
520
00:23:28,463 --> 00:23:31,180
I always thought,
"Well, that sounds like James Brown."
521
00:23:31,216 --> 00:23:35,184
I'd say I've been
influenced by...
522
00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:38,187
well, James Brown, you know.
He screams like...
523
00:23:38,223 --> 00:23:41,390
I've been getting
into screaming like that
524
00:23:41,443 --> 00:23:43,142
real thing that hurts you.
525
00:23:43,194 --> 00:23:44,977
It just, you know,
wonder where he is, you know.
526
00:23:44,979 --> 00:23:46,813
It just...
( voice fades )
527
00:23:49,567 --> 00:23:54,237
Gibbons: He's the living embodiment
of psychedelic music.
528
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:56,823
He invented it.
And that's to say a lot.
529
00:23:56,825 --> 00:23:58,658
It's really saying a lot.
530
00:23:58,710 --> 00:24:01,828
Tony Brown: Then Austin became
kind of a focal point
531
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,214
of...
music against the grain,
532
00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:06,833
a place with no boundaries.
533
00:24:06,885 --> 00:24:08,835
There was a counterculture
in Austin
534
00:24:08,887 --> 00:24:10,586
before there was one
in other cities.
535
00:24:10,638 --> 00:24:15,758
I was, um,
counterculture because my uncle was
536
00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:18,177
and, you know,
I was the kid among a group of people
537
00:24:18,179 --> 00:24:19,645
that was...
That for the most part,
538
00:24:19,681 --> 00:24:22,648
five and up to 10 years
older than I was.
539
00:24:22,684 --> 00:24:24,350
Not much interested in school,
540
00:24:24,352 --> 00:24:25,902
and I ran away from home
when I was 14.
541
00:24:25,937 --> 00:24:27,570
They brought me back
and I ran away again
542
00:24:27,605 --> 00:24:29,188
in the middle of
the second semester.
543
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:32,859
♪ Well nothin' ever happened
'round my hometown. ♪
544
00:24:32,911 --> 00:24:36,746
♪ I ain't the kind
to just hang around. ♪
545
00:24:36,781 --> 00:24:39,532
♪ Then I heard someone
callin' my name one day, ♪
546
00:24:39,534 --> 00:24:42,869
♪ and I followed that voice
down the lost highway... ♪
547
00:24:42,921 --> 00:24:44,921
Earle: I moved out of the
house when I was 16
548
00:24:44,956 --> 00:24:46,956
and I was very heavily
interested in music
549
00:24:47,008 --> 00:24:49,509
and I started hanging out around,
you know,
550
00:24:49,544 --> 00:24:51,210
this coffeehouse
called the Gate House.
551
00:24:51,212 --> 00:24:53,095
And I started going over
to Houston
552
00:24:53,131 --> 00:24:56,382
'cause I started hearing about
a place called the Old Quarter
553
00:24:56,384 --> 00:24:58,634
and a place called Sand Mountain,
a coffeehouse.
554
00:24:58,686 --> 00:25:01,304
The main thing I went over there
looking for was Townes Van Zandt.
555
00:25:01,356 --> 00:25:04,891
As soon as I started
playing coffeehouses,
556
00:25:04,943 --> 00:25:07,727
I started hearing about Townes
and people played Townes' songs,
557
00:25:07,779 --> 00:25:10,229
and I went to the record store
and there were Townes' records.
558
00:25:10,281 --> 00:25:13,566
And I didn't know any difference
between Townes van Zandt
559
00:25:13,618 --> 00:25:16,819
and, you know, Jackson Browne,
560
00:25:16,871 --> 00:25:18,321
or anybody else that had
a record in the record store.
561
00:25:18,373 --> 00:25:20,072
Anybody that had a record
in the record store was...
562
00:25:20,074 --> 00:25:22,241
Was a big star
as far as I knew.
563
00:25:22,293 --> 00:25:24,911
I met him in a place...
In the Old Quarter in Houston,
564
00:25:24,963 --> 00:25:27,380
and I followed him around
for a couple years.
565
00:25:27,415 --> 00:25:30,466
Grohl: Did you feel akin to
what his whole vibe was?
566
00:25:30,501 --> 00:25:31,667
We... Yeah, we...
It was a cult.
567
00:25:31,719 --> 00:25:34,136
We... We...
All of us... Me,
568
00:25:34,172 --> 00:25:36,556
Lucinda Williams,
Guy Clark, even...
569
00:25:36,591 --> 00:25:38,724
Everybody went through
their own stage
570
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,309
of wanting to be him.
571
00:25:40,345 --> 00:25:43,262
Some people emulated
the wrong things...
572
00:25:43,264 --> 00:25:45,097
Including me sometimes.
573
00:25:45,149 --> 00:25:49,652
♪ But they'd shut down
all the honky-tonks tonight, ♪
574
00:25:51,189 --> 00:25:54,073
♪ and say a prayer or two. ♪
575
00:25:54,108 --> 00:25:56,409
♪ If they only knew. ♪
576
00:25:58,780 --> 00:26:02,915
♪ You always said
the highway was your home. ♪
577
00:26:04,702 --> 00:26:09,789
♪ We both know
that ain't true. ♪
578
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:14,176
♪ It's just
the only place... ♪
579
00:26:14,212 --> 00:26:15,878
Earle: When I got to know him
I realized he didn't...
580
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:17,430
He wasn't making any money.
581
00:26:17,465 --> 00:26:20,266
And Townes could have made
a lot more money than he made,
582
00:26:20,301 --> 00:26:23,636
but what's important is
it didn't cause him
583
00:26:23,688 --> 00:26:25,605
to stop doing
what he was doing.
584
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,025
I witnessed somebody that had
committed to being an artist
585
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:31,193
no matter what the outcome
of that was
586
00:26:31,229 --> 00:26:33,312
as far as their livelihood.
587
00:26:34,565 --> 00:26:38,234
♪ It never really was
your kind of town, ♪
588
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,991
♪ but you went around
with the Ft. Worth Blues. ♪
589
00:26:46,544 --> 00:26:51,163
Austin City Limits put Austin
on the map nationally.
590
00:26:51,215 --> 00:26:53,833
The early seasons,
it's pretty strictly,
591
00:26:53,885 --> 00:26:57,303
you know,
country and blues and folk,
592
00:26:57,338 --> 00:26:58,804
stuff that was popular
in the...
593
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,807
In the country region
and the South,
594
00:27:01,843 --> 00:27:04,010
but it gave it
a national voice.
595
00:27:04,062 --> 00:27:06,178
One of the first shows
that I booked
596
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:08,848
in my first year as producer
was Tom Waits
597
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:10,683
who had absolutely
nothing whatsoever to do
598
00:27:10,685 --> 00:27:13,903
with country music
or with Austin.
599
00:27:15,023 --> 00:27:21,327
♪ Well, sticks and stones
may break my bones, ♪
600
00:27:21,362 --> 00:27:24,113
♪ but I always
will be true... ♪
601
00:27:24,165 --> 00:27:26,699
Lickona: Tom Waits was kind
of one big step
602
00:27:26,701 --> 00:27:28,918
in a different direction
for the show.
603
00:27:28,953 --> 00:27:30,619
And to this day,
that is still, like,
604
00:27:30,672 --> 00:27:31,837
one of the most
in-demand shows...
605
00:27:31,873 --> 00:27:34,123
A 40-year-old
Tom Waits show.
606
00:27:34,175 --> 00:27:37,843
♪ Well, they're lined up
all around the block. ♪
607
00:27:37,879 --> 00:27:41,547
♪ On the nickel
over there... ♪
608
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,300
_
( Lickona speaking )
609
00:27:46,971 --> 00:27:48,521
- Grohl: We are, actually.
- Lickona: For the song?
610
00:27:48,556 --> 00:27:51,440
- Grohl: Do you have an old piano here?
- I bet we do.
611
00:27:51,476 --> 00:27:52,775
Do you have the old piano here?
612
00:27:52,810 --> 00:27:54,193
Yeah, I think so.
The Steinway.
613
00:27:54,228 --> 00:27:55,528
It's behind these bleachers.
614
00:27:55,563 --> 00:27:58,364
- Grohl: Oh, really?
- Okay, so it's a baby grand.
615
00:27:58,399 --> 00:27:59,648
Yeah.
616
00:27:59,701 --> 00:28:01,617
But it is the piano
617
00:28:01,652 --> 00:28:04,370
that Ray Charles, Fats Domino,
Jerry Lee Lewis...
618
00:28:04,405 --> 00:28:07,039
Did you just film
what just happened?
619
00:28:07,075 --> 00:28:08,624
Lickona: But I haven't
used it much for anything.
620
00:28:08,659 --> 00:28:11,077
- Grohl: What?!
- Man: It's still in good shape.
621
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,329
Why this shit's on it,
I have no idea.
622
00:28:13,381 --> 00:28:16,415
People always said
it sounded...
623
00:28:16,417 --> 00:28:18,384
Who's played on this?
624
00:28:18,419 --> 00:28:21,303
Man: Jerry Lee Lewis,
Fats Domino,
625
00:28:21,339 --> 00:28:25,091
Ray Charles, everyone.
626
00:28:25,093 --> 00:28:27,059
Was it here for
Tom Waits and stuff?
627
00:28:27,095 --> 00:28:29,395
Yeah, he played this.
He play... He played this, too.
628
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:31,230
I'm sure Tom Waits
played this piano.
629
00:28:31,265 --> 00:28:32,431
What other piano
would he have played?
630
00:28:32,433 --> 00:28:33,849
Oh my, God.
We got to get that down on stage.
631
00:28:33,901 --> 00:28:35,601
Lickona: Nobody really knows
the history of this piano.
632
00:28:35,653 --> 00:28:37,319
( stammers )
Why is this place... Why is... Why is it...
633
00:28:37,355 --> 00:28:38,988
( laughing )
634
00:28:39,023 --> 00:28:41,774
Why...
What is going on in here?
635
00:28:41,776 --> 00:28:45,111
Well, they used it for
the PBS pledge drives
636
00:28:45,113 --> 00:28:49,115
and for local productions
and staff brown bag lunches...
637
00:28:49,117 --> 00:28:50,199
Man:
Private parties.
638
00:28:50,251 --> 00:28:51,751
Lickona:
And, uh, you know.
639
00:28:51,786 --> 00:28:54,787
But, you know,
so far it still looks exactly the same.
640
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,338
It's weird, man.
641
00:28:56,374 --> 00:28:57,623
It's like The Twilight Zone
with the cigarette
642
00:28:57,625 --> 00:28:59,091
- still in the ashtray.
- Lickona: Yes.
643
00:28:59,127 --> 00:29:01,377
Grohl: It just looks like you
had a show in here last night.
644
00:29:01,429 --> 00:29:02,628
Wow, man.
645
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:04,847
Okay, I'm going to tell
those guys right now!
646
00:29:04,882 --> 00:29:08,851
♪ Blue Monday,
how I hate Blue Monday. ♪
647
00:29:10,138 --> 00:29:13,806
♪ Got to work
like a slave all day... ♪
648
00:29:13,808 --> 00:29:16,976
( music playing )
649
00:29:17,028 --> 00:29:19,278
I had forgot that song.
650
00:29:19,313 --> 00:29:20,479
Ah, whatever.
651
00:29:20,481 --> 00:29:22,148
You want to give me
a level of the track
652
00:29:22,150 --> 00:29:23,949
so this thing works right?
653
00:29:23,985 --> 00:29:27,119
Brown: And can you relay a
message to everybody out there
654
00:29:27,155 --> 00:29:28,954
they need to shut the fuck up
and stay still?
655
00:29:28,990 --> 00:29:30,656
'Cause we're picking up
everything.
656
00:29:30,708 --> 00:29:33,492
Shut the fuck up
if you're in this room.
657
00:29:33,544 --> 00:29:36,829
No farting.
Okay, let's try it again.
658
00:29:36,881 --> 00:29:39,498
( piano music playing )
659
00:29:42,837 --> 00:29:46,589
Grohl: Archie Bunker's chair
is in the Smithsonian
660
00:29:46,641 --> 00:29:48,724
and this piano's
in the corner of the room
661
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:50,509
with blankets over it
662
00:29:50,561 --> 00:29:53,262
and a bunch of stuff
on top of it.
663
00:29:53,314 --> 00:29:55,514
I... I was shocked.
664
00:30:03,407 --> 00:30:04,890
Sorry.
( laughs )
665
00:30:04,926 --> 00:30:06,225
You're just a hair late on the
666
00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:08,994
"da da da da
da da da da-bum."
667
00:30:08,996 --> 00:30:11,664
( music playing )
668
00:30:11,716 --> 00:30:14,166
Lickona: And when the Armadillo
world headquarters opened,
669
00:30:14,168 --> 00:30:18,220
that was a milestone
in Austin's musical evolution.
670
00:30:18,256 --> 00:30:20,139
When I moved to Austin
671
00:30:20,174 --> 00:30:22,341
in 1970 at 18
672
00:30:22,393 --> 00:30:24,760
and got an
efficiency apartment,
673
00:30:24,812 --> 00:30:27,680
across the street was the Armadillo...
Had just opened up.
674
00:30:27,715 --> 00:30:30,482
Lickona: It was a former
armory building
675
00:30:30,518 --> 00:30:32,484
that could hold
couple of thousand kids
676
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,770
and they'd have
rock and Grateful Dead,
677
00:30:34,822 --> 00:30:37,857
and Springsteen played one of
his first Texas shows there.
678
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:40,409
But they also booked
Willie and Waylon.
679
00:30:40,461 --> 00:30:41,994
Vaughan: And that place
would be packed.
680
00:30:42,029 --> 00:30:44,563
There'd be thousands
of people in there
681
00:30:44,615 --> 00:30:47,399
doing the Cotton-Eyed Joe
or whatever they did.
682
00:30:47,451 --> 00:30:50,236
Announcer: Let's hear a hoot
and a holler right now!
683
00:30:50,288 --> 00:30:53,239
My little bands were sort of anti that,
you know.
684
00:30:53,291 --> 00:30:55,457
We didn't want to be country,
685
00:30:55,493 --> 00:30:57,960
we wanted to be blues.
686
00:30:57,995 --> 00:31:01,046
The first song I learned was
"Honky Tonk" by Bill Doggett.
687
00:31:01,082 --> 00:31:04,416
You know...
( mimics guitar riff )
688
00:31:04,418 --> 00:31:07,920
And I basically haven't
progressed very much since then.
689
00:31:10,675 --> 00:31:14,226
( cheers, whistles, applause )
690
00:31:14,262 --> 00:31:16,512
People think,
"Oh yeah, that blues stuff..."
691
00:31:16,564 --> 00:31:18,013
that's, you know, that's easy
692
00:31:18,065 --> 00:31:21,016
until you start listening
and then try and learn it.
693
00:31:21,068 --> 00:31:22,685
My buddy, Jimmie Vaughan, said,
694
00:31:22,737 --> 00:31:25,771
"Oh yeah," he said,
"just when you think it's easy..."
695
00:31:25,773 --> 00:31:29,108
( music continues )
696
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:32,578
"...you start realizing
just how tough it is."
697
00:31:32,613 --> 00:31:34,580
( music continues )
698
00:31:39,453 --> 00:31:41,120
Vaughan: We said,
we're gonna have a blues band.
699
00:31:41,122 --> 00:31:43,706
And they go, "You can't do that.
You'll never get anywhere."
700
00:31:43,758 --> 00:31:44,873
( chuckles )
701
00:31:44,926 --> 00:31:46,959
We didn't care.
We were having fun.
702
00:31:49,297 --> 00:31:51,430
♪ Well,
the east to west... ♪
703
00:31:51,465 --> 00:31:53,632
Vaughan: This guy named
Clifford Antone,
704
00:31:53,634 --> 00:31:56,185
he was totally into blues.
705
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:58,721
All he cared about was
Jimmy Reed and Muddy Waters
706
00:31:58,773 --> 00:32:00,856
and finally he just
opened a club and said,
707
00:32:00,891 --> 00:32:03,058
"Okay, this is Antone's and
we're gonna have blues here."
708
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:05,311
And we got to be the house band,
the Thunderbirds.
709
00:32:05,313 --> 00:32:07,980
( music playing )
710
00:32:07,982 --> 00:32:10,783
Sometimes there's a fulcrum
of a music scene
711
00:32:10,818 --> 00:32:12,735
and that was Antone's.
712
00:32:12,787 --> 00:32:15,654
Gilmore: You knew if you
went to Antone's
713
00:32:15,706 --> 00:32:17,656
that you were gonna hear
something good.
714
00:32:17,658 --> 00:32:19,625
Quality, all the time.
715
00:32:19,660 --> 00:32:22,044
( music playing )
716
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,496
Vaughan:
Albert King, Albert Collins...
717
00:32:24,498 --> 00:32:26,465
All the guys from Chicago...
718
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:28,334
Would come there
and play for like a week.
719
00:32:28,336 --> 00:32:31,720
And we got to learn, you know,
from watching these guys.
720
00:32:31,756 --> 00:32:34,556
Albert King played
721
00:32:34,592 --> 00:32:37,676
left-handed,
like Hendrix,
722
00:32:37,728 --> 00:32:40,145
and not restrung,
723
00:32:40,181 --> 00:32:42,481
but just turned the guitar over
and play.
724
00:32:42,516 --> 00:32:45,851
( music playing )
725
00:32:45,853 --> 00:32:48,437
Vaughan: You didn't go and ask
Albert King to sit in.
726
00:32:48,489 --> 00:32:50,856
He was a huge mean guy
727
00:32:50,908 --> 00:32:52,858
and he was Albert King,
you know,
728
00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:55,027
the meanest guitar player
you've ever heard of.
729
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,031
All of us right-handed
guitar players go nuts
730
00:32:59,083 --> 00:33:00,199
trying to figure out
731
00:33:00,201 --> 00:33:02,668
how Albert King
played like that.
732
00:33:02,703 --> 00:33:04,703
And you can't comprehend it
733
00:33:04,705 --> 00:33:07,373
until you'd turn the guitar
over like this,
734
00:33:07,425 --> 00:33:10,709
because all those pulls were...
735
00:33:10,761 --> 00:33:12,928
down,
736
00:33:12,963 --> 00:33:15,431
down...
737
00:33:15,466 --> 00:33:18,217
not up.
738
00:33:18,219 --> 00:33:21,720
So Albert became
my favorite guy.
739
00:33:21,722 --> 00:33:24,106
You didn't go up
and ask Albert King to sit in.
740
00:33:24,141 --> 00:33:25,424
Nobody did.
741
00:33:25,459 --> 00:33:27,860
But Clifford said,
"Hey, there's this kid named
742
00:33:27,895 --> 00:33:30,362
Stevie Ray Vaughan
that wants to sit in with you.
743
00:33:30,398 --> 00:33:32,865
He can play
just like you."
744
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:36,568
And so Albert's like,
"Okay."
745
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:39,204
And he got my brother up
when my brother was 17.
746
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,874
( music playing )
747
00:33:43,577 --> 00:33:45,461
This was way early ZZ Top.
748
00:33:45,496 --> 00:33:50,132
♪ But you did,
and I thank you... ♪
749
00:33:50,167 --> 00:33:54,169
We were doing a show at a club
called Arthur in Dallas
750
00:33:54,221 --> 00:33:57,005
and Stevie tiptoed in,
751
00:33:57,058 --> 00:33:59,258
of course I was friends
with his older brother, Jimmie.
752
00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:00,759
I said,
"Come on up, man."
753
00:34:00,761 --> 00:34:03,729
And he was already
tearing it up.
754
00:34:03,764 --> 00:34:06,065
And he couldn't have been
maybe 15.
755
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:08,434
( music playing )
756
00:34:08,486 --> 00:34:09,768
Grohl: Do you remember the
first time you played
757
00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:11,437
- Austin City Limits?
- Yeah, yeah.
758
00:34:11,489 --> 00:34:14,356
There would be like
300 people in there.
759
00:34:14,408 --> 00:34:16,992
Everybody'd be dancing
and pretty fast forgot
760
00:34:17,027 --> 00:34:19,912
what you were doing
and you just had a good time.
761
00:34:19,947 --> 00:34:21,413
( song ends )
Vaughan: We were on the show,
762
00:34:21,449 --> 00:34:24,783
and I think Stevie
opened the show
763
00:34:24,785 --> 00:34:26,952
and, uh...
764
00:34:29,173 --> 00:34:31,507
♪ Lovin' makes me feel like a mighty,
mighty man. ♪
765
00:34:31,542 --> 00:34:34,009
♪ Love me, baby,
ain't I your man? ♪
766
00:34:34,044 --> 00:34:36,595
♪ I'm a love struck baby. ♪
767
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:39,298
♪ Yeah,
I'm a love struck baby. ♪
768
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,967
♪ You got me love struck,
baby. ♪
769
00:34:41,969 --> 00:34:43,886
♪ And I know
just what to do... ♪
770
00:34:43,938 --> 00:34:45,471
Lickona: The first time Stevie
Ray did the show
771
00:34:45,473 --> 00:34:46,972
he was just a sweaty mess
on the stage
772
00:34:46,974 --> 00:34:49,558
and he kept leaving the stage
and going off thinking,
773
00:34:49,610 --> 00:34:52,945
you know, "Man, I...
I just can't do this," you know,
774
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:56,031
"I've never...
I've never played this bad,"
775
00:34:56,066 --> 00:34:57,816
while everybody in the
audience was just like,
776
00:34:57,818 --> 00:35:00,652
"Wow, this is some awesome,
incredible shit."
777
00:35:00,704 --> 00:35:03,372
( music continues )
778
00:35:41,362 --> 00:35:43,328
Hawkins: You know,
I just have a vague memory
779
00:35:43,364 --> 00:35:45,497
of being a kid and seeing
Stevie Ray Vaughan
780
00:35:45,533 --> 00:35:48,200
on Austin City Limits.
I just remember it,
781
00:35:48,252 --> 00:35:51,286
like... Like a dream almost,
I remember seeing it.
782
00:35:51,338 --> 00:35:53,755
Shiflett: I've seen a bunch
of the old episodes
783
00:35:53,791 --> 00:35:56,425
that were filmed in this room,
784
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:58,377
and, uh, I mean...
I guess most notably,
785
00:35:58,379 --> 00:35:59,878
you know,
the Stevie Ray Vaughan stuff,
786
00:35:59,930 --> 00:36:02,014
you know, one of the
greatest guitar players
787
00:36:02,049 --> 00:36:03,599
that ever walked the earth.
788
00:36:03,634 --> 00:36:06,385
I mean, even then,
even as a kid, you could tell
789
00:36:06,437 --> 00:36:09,221
that he was something special.
790
00:36:09,273 --> 00:36:12,191
♪ Stranded. ♪
791
00:36:12,226 --> 00:36:14,276
♪ Caught in
the crossfire... ♪
792
00:36:14,311 --> 00:36:17,229
Lickona: The last show that he
did in 1990, literally,
793
00:36:17,281 --> 00:36:19,965
just months before he died
in that helicopter crash
794
00:36:19,985 --> 00:36:21,805
_
795
00:36:21,828 --> 00:36:24,870
was so incredibly powerful.
796
00:36:24,887 --> 00:36:27,881
_
797
00:36:27,899 --> 00:36:30,375
Eric Clapton probably described
it better than anybody,
798
00:36:30,411 --> 00:36:32,711
that there was like this power
799
00:36:32,746 --> 00:36:33,962
that was being channeled
through him
800
00:36:33,998 --> 00:36:37,749
that was almost
not quite human.
801
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,847
Gibbons: Blues comes and goes,
it ebbs and flows,
802
00:36:51,899 --> 00:36:54,266
it'll be around.
One by one,
803
00:36:54,318 --> 00:36:57,986
somebody's gonna like it
enough to chase it.
804
00:36:58,022 --> 00:37:01,607
♪ Save the strong,
lose the weak... ♪
805
00:37:01,609 --> 00:37:03,742
Grohl: Did you ever
listen to the blues?
806
00:37:03,777 --> 00:37:05,694
Were you a blues person?
807
00:37:05,746 --> 00:37:08,280
Um, a little bit.
I like Delta blues.
808
00:37:08,332 --> 00:37:10,749
I don't really care for northern blues,
like Chicago blues.
809
00:37:10,784 --> 00:37:12,367
I don't like "perky" blues.
810
00:37:12,419 --> 00:37:16,004
If you have to suffer
to sing the blues, um,
811
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,839
I don't think you
necessarily have to suffer
812
00:37:17,875 --> 00:37:21,293
to be punk rock, but it helps.
813
00:37:21,345 --> 00:37:23,629
I don't think you have to be angry,
but it probably helps.
814
00:37:23,664 --> 00:37:28,400
♪ Mommy, Mommy, Mommy,
better look at your son... ♪
815
00:37:28,435 --> 00:37:31,436
Houston and Dallas
had their little scenes,
816
00:37:31,472 --> 00:37:34,389
but they weren't so good.
Not compared to Austin.
817
00:37:34,441 --> 00:37:37,225
God, that scene was so cool.
818
00:37:37,278 --> 00:37:40,112
Those days were just
the most awesome.
819
00:37:40,147 --> 00:37:43,031
And when the punk stuff
really started up
820
00:37:43,067 --> 00:37:44,733
I was working at a record store
821
00:37:44,785 --> 00:37:47,119
and kinda gravitated
more towards Clash
822
00:37:47,154 --> 00:37:48,904
than I did Sex Pistols
'cause Sex Pistols
823
00:37:48,956 --> 00:37:50,656
just sound like
a rock and roll band to me
824
00:37:50,708 --> 00:37:54,159
and Clash kind of sounded
more like the Beatles.
825
00:37:54,211 --> 00:37:56,328
♪ Rock the casbah... ♪
826
00:37:56,330 --> 00:37:57,963
Grohl: Did you have
musical aspirations
827
00:37:57,998 --> 00:38:00,165
- before any of this, or not?
- Haynes: Perhaps.
828
00:38:00,167 --> 00:38:02,501
However,
with no musical ability.
829
00:38:02,553 --> 00:38:07,055
I was the worst accountant
probably in the history of that
830
00:38:07,091 --> 00:38:10,592
Peat, Marwick, Mitchell office
in San Antonio, Texas.
831
00:38:10,644 --> 00:38:13,729
I wanted to go to art school
and teach college art.
832
00:38:13,764 --> 00:38:15,847
I thought that way
I could have summers off
833
00:38:15,849 --> 00:38:19,351
and hang out with, you know,
hot coeds during the year
834
00:38:19,403 --> 00:38:20,852
and teach them how to draw.
835
00:38:20,854 --> 00:38:22,487
And then punk rock came along.
836
00:38:22,523 --> 00:38:24,856
( punk rock music playing )
837
00:38:28,395 --> 00:38:32,164
Playing a show at a big place
was just so unobtainable.
838
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:33,782
And then here comes punk rock
839
00:38:33,834 --> 00:38:35,867
where anybody can get up here
and do this.
840
00:38:35,919 --> 00:38:39,087
♪ Oh,
I want to make you see... ♪
841
00:38:40,174 --> 00:38:41,957
The music isn't
what got me first.
842
00:38:42,009 --> 00:38:44,343
What got me first
was the whole idea
843
00:38:44,378 --> 00:38:47,129
that the guy in the back
that's yelling,
844
00:38:47,181 --> 00:38:49,431
"Sound asleep,
we're sound asleep!"
845
00:38:49,466 --> 00:38:52,384
is just as important
as the people up on stage
846
00:38:52,436 --> 00:38:54,936
and the people in the crowd
are making fanzines,
847
00:38:54,972 --> 00:38:58,056
they're doing photos,
they're doing stuff.
848
00:38:58,108 --> 00:39:00,559
They're all being creative,
hook, line and sinker.
849
00:39:00,561 --> 00:39:02,110
I thought,
"This is the greatest thing ever."
850
00:39:02,146 --> 00:39:06,314
♪ Say hey, hey, hey,
whatcha got to say... ♪
851
00:39:06,367 --> 00:39:08,233
Grohl:
The Big Boys, you know,
852
00:39:08,285 --> 00:39:10,202
they were one of the first.
853
00:39:10,237 --> 00:39:13,405
In a scene that lasted
for about a decade,
854
00:39:13,407 --> 00:39:15,657
they were really
one of the first.
855
00:39:15,709 --> 00:39:17,793
♪ Hollywood... ♪
856
00:39:17,828 --> 00:39:20,912
Big Boys started when I'd gotten out of...
I was out of college.
857
00:39:20,914 --> 00:39:22,164
It was my first year
out of college,
858
00:39:22,216 --> 00:39:25,300
and Chris and I were out skating
and flipped a coin,
859
00:39:25,335 --> 00:39:27,836
see who was gonna play bass
'cause we both played guitar,
860
00:39:27,888 --> 00:39:30,889
and, uh, he got bass,
I got guitar.
861
00:39:30,924 --> 00:39:32,591
And like, if it would have
been the other way around
862
00:39:32,643 --> 00:39:35,177
that band would have been
a completely different band.
863
00:39:35,229 --> 00:39:36,678
( music playing )
864
00:39:36,730 --> 00:39:37,929
Grohl: They had the
energy of a band
865
00:39:37,931 --> 00:39:40,348
like Black Flag
or the Sex Pistols,
866
00:39:40,401 --> 00:39:43,268
but you could dance to it.
867
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:45,937
Or you could stage dive to it.
868
00:39:45,939 --> 00:39:47,322
Or you could skateboard to it.
869
00:39:47,357 --> 00:39:49,691
♪ What we're tryin'
to say... ♪
870
00:39:49,743 --> 00:39:52,160
That's the skating connection
of all of this
871
00:39:52,196 --> 00:39:53,662
is I probably
wouldn't even be here
872
00:39:53,697 --> 00:39:54,863
if it wasn't for skating.
873
00:39:54,915 --> 00:39:56,698
The urethane wheels
had just come out
874
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:58,366
and we all skated together.
875
00:39:58,419 --> 00:40:01,420
And Biscuit skated with us
and we're skating to, like,
876
00:40:01,455 --> 00:40:04,039
"Brick House" and just
all this kind of funk stuff
877
00:40:04,091 --> 00:40:06,091
is what we're skating to,
you know, kind of thing,
878
00:40:06,126 --> 00:40:08,593
and since there
were no rules or no uniform,
879
00:40:08,629 --> 00:40:10,395
we started playing
funk and stuff
880
00:40:10,431 --> 00:40:11,963
'cause that's
what we listened to.
881
00:40:11,999 --> 00:40:14,349
♪ Who am I? ♪
♪ Identity Crisis! ♪
882
00:40:14,384 --> 00:40:15,801
♪ I don't know why... ♪
883
00:40:15,803 --> 00:40:17,602
Grohl: And you guys used to
tell the audience
884
00:40:17,638 --> 00:40:19,221
- to go start their own band.
- Kerr: Yeah.
885
00:40:19,273 --> 00:40:21,306
And, you know, these paintings,
you know what they're signed?
886
00:40:21,308 --> 00:40:22,474
"Your name here."
887
00:40:22,526 --> 00:40:24,309
Because if you look
at the bottom of this thing
888
00:40:24,361 --> 00:40:26,478
to see who painted this and you see
"Your name here,"
889
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,979
it's like, "Yeah, come on,
you can do this, too.
890
00:40:27,981 --> 00:40:29,231
You can do something."
891
00:40:29,283 --> 00:40:31,233
Grohl: Someone pointed
that out to me...
892
00:40:31,285 --> 00:40:33,151
"Don't follow in the footsteps of the masters,
seek what they sought."
893
00:40:33,153 --> 00:40:35,454
Kerr:
Yeah, you should always
894
00:40:35,489 --> 00:40:38,123
walk your walk, stay true,
do what you're doing,
895
00:40:38,158 --> 00:40:40,742
'cause you never know
when you might plant a seed
896
00:40:40,794 --> 00:40:42,894
and something might happen, you know.
It's... It's amazing.
897
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:44,880
♪ Identity Crisis... ♪
898
00:40:44,915 --> 00:40:46,581
Grohl:
It's crazy to think about
899
00:40:46,633 --> 00:40:49,301
in the early '80s in Texas
900
00:40:49,336 --> 00:40:53,338
there's a punk band
playing funk
901
00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:58,009
with an outrageous
crossdressing front man.
902
00:40:58,061 --> 00:41:00,679
( music playing )
903
00:41:00,681 --> 00:41:03,181
There's pockets in Dallas
and San Antonio and Houston,
904
00:41:03,233 --> 00:41:06,268
but for the most part
this is the only place in Texas
905
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,271
that was pretty much like that
and kind of still is.
906
00:41:09,323 --> 00:41:12,023
When you bailed from your hometown,
wherever it was,
907
00:41:12,075 --> 00:41:13,358
you landed in Austin.
908
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:16,077
We'd come up to Austin
909
00:41:16,113 --> 00:41:19,247
to go hang out at Raul's,
which was the punk rock club.
910
00:41:19,283 --> 00:41:21,166
Yow: There was Raul's
on Guadalupe
911
00:41:21,201 --> 00:41:23,001
on the main drag
by the university.
912
00:41:23,036 --> 00:41:25,036
Frat boys would drive by
and throw beers at us
913
00:41:25,088 --> 00:41:26,705
and yell "Devo" out the window.
914
00:41:26,707 --> 00:41:29,207
There was a stop light like, right...
Like, it's here,
915
00:41:29,259 --> 00:41:30,542
and then there's
a stop light here,
916
00:41:30,594 --> 00:41:32,093
so when idiot frats were like,
screaming
917
00:41:32,129 --> 00:41:33,712
and hollering at us
and throwing stuff,
918
00:41:33,764 --> 00:41:35,714
they wouldn't realize
that the light was red
919
00:41:35,716 --> 00:41:38,683
and the car in front had stopped...
And, slam!
920
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,718
And all of us would be like...
921
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:42,304
♪ Yeah! ♪
922
00:41:43,857 --> 00:41:46,057
Yow: It was just a really
cool community
923
00:41:46,059 --> 00:41:48,860
of nut cases and misfits
and stuff.
924
00:41:48,896 --> 00:41:50,562
I remember touring bands
would come through
925
00:41:50,564 --> 00:41:53,698
and always marvel about how
there was slam dancing going on.
926
00:41:53,734 --> 00:41:55,951
And people in Austin would
help somebody who fell down,
927
00:41:55,986 --> 00:41:57,285
they would help them up.
928
00:41:57,321 --> 00:41:58,787
( music playing )
929
00:41:58,822 --> 00:42:01,122
♪ I don't give a fuck
about anything... ♪
930
00:42:01,158 --> 00:42:03,074
Haynes:
The San Antonio newspaper
931
00:42:03,076 --> 00:42:06,244
found out we were playing in Austin...
I don't know how...
932
00:42:06,246 --> 00:42:09,748
They came down to Austin and
took a picture of me on stage
933
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:12,884
naked with an American flag
wrapped around my waist
934
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,921
and it was on fire.
And their headline...
935
00:42:15,923 --> 00:42:19,090
This was on the front page
of the "entertainment" section
936
00:42:19,092 --> 00:42:20,675
of the Sunday newspaper
and it said,
937
00:42:20,727 --> 00:42:24,262
"Could this be the worst band in
the history of rock and roll?"
938
00:42:24,314 --> 00:42:27,315
( screaming )
939
00:42:29,486 --> 00:42:31,152
It was absolutely hopeless.
940
00:42:31,188 --> 00:42:32,654
We were in a band called
the "Butthole Surfers."
941
00:42:32,689 --> 00:42:34,272
I mean, give me a break.
942
00:42:34,274 --> 00:42:36,274
James Murphy: I remember there
was an all-ages show
943
00:42:36,326 --> 00:42:40,028
and they just brought out
a naked woman
944
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,696
and the people that owned it
were like,
945
00:42:41,748 --> 00:42:43,782
"You can't do this.
This is an all-ages show or you get shut down."
946
00:42:43,834 --> 00:42:47,535
So Gibby lit
part of the place on fire.
947
00:42:47,588 --> 00:42:49,671
Yeah.
948
00:42:49,706 --> 00:42:53,458
In 1985 there wasn't
a band on earth
949
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:54,676
who could touch them live.
950
00:42:54,711 --> 00:42:57,629
♪ I don't mind
the sun sometimes. ♪
951
00:42:57,631 --> 00:43:00,799
♪ The images it shows... ♪
952
00:43:00,851 --> 00:43:02,133
Haynes: You know what,
I like what
953
00:43:02,135 --> 00:43:04,185
Thurston Moore said one time...
954
00:43:04,221 --> 00:43:06,304
"The last psychedelic band."
955
00:43:06,306 --> 00:43:07,973
I wonder why
they've never asked us
956
00:43:07,975 --> 00:43:09,557
to play on Austin City Limits.
957
00:43:09,610 --> 00:43:12,027
( laughing )
958
00:43:13,780 --> 00:43:15,697
Just like skating,
959
00:43:15,732 --> 00:43:18,316
as big as people think
all this stuff was back then,
960
00:43:18,368 --> 00:43:20,318
it was this small, little thing
961
00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:22,988
and we might as well have
all been from Mars or Saturn.
962
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,155
Grohl:
It's interesting because
963
00:43:24,157 --> 00:43:26,324
it seems like
with South By Southwest
964
00:43:26,376 --> 00:43:28,660
it's become this huge
music industry capital.
965
00:43:28,662 --> 00:43:32,163
The people that started
"South By" were all at Raul's.
966
00:43:32,215 --> 00:43:33,915
Louis Black,
who runs the Chronicle...
967
00:43:33,967 --> 00:43:35,500
All those people were Raul's.
968
00:43:35,552 --> 00:43:38,637
It started here in 1987,
969
00:43:38,672 --> 00:43:41,339
really as a reaction
from Roland Swenson
970
00:43:41,341 --> 00:43:44,342
who's the founder...
Who was a band manager
971
00:43:44,344 --> 00:43:47,479
and couldn't get
the music industry
972
00:43:47,514 --> 00:43:50,015
to come to pay attention
to any of his bands.
973
00:43:50,067 --> 00:43:53,018
He got $5,000 from the
Austin Chamber of Commerce
974
00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:55,020
and it was
partially underwritten
975
00:43:55,072 --> 00:43:57,939
by the Austin Chronicle
where he was still an employee.
976
00:43:57,991 --> 00:44:00,358
Kerr: It was all these bands
nobody really knew about,
977
00:44:00,410 --> 00:44:02,160
and they were just
trying to play for people.
978
00:44:02,195 --> 00:44:04,913
Me and my buddies,
we used to call it "South By So What?"
979
00:44:04,948 --> 00:44:07,582
Klein: It started out
with 800 people
980
00:44:07,617 --> 00:44:10,585
and I think 200 bands
and 15 clubs.
981
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:12,420
It was pretty exciting
when it started.
982
00:44:12,456 --> 00:44:16,291
Everybody had gigs and they were
playing in different clubs.
983
00:44:16,343 --> 00:44:19,594
I mean, we get now...
984
00:44:19,629 --> 00:44:21,846
10,000 applications to play
985
00:44:21,882 --> 00:44:24,683
for about 2,300 slots.
986
00:44:24,718 --> 00:44:26,551
( music playing )
987
00:44:26,553 --> 00:44:28,386
Vaughan: It's not really a
local thing anymore.
988
00:44:28,438 --> 00:44:30,271
You know,
you see bands from all over the world.
989
00:44:30,307 --> 00:44:32,640
A couple of years ago
I think it was,
990
00:44:32,693 --> 00:44:36,061
there were 120-something bands
just from Australia.
991
00:44:36,113 --> 00:44:39,447
There's a Korean night,
there's a Dutch night, there's a Japan night.
992
00:44:39,483 --> 00:44:41,483
I don't think it's really
a music festival anymore.
993
00:44:41,535 --> 00:44:43,068
It's spring break.
994
00:44:43,070 --> 00:44:44,736
And then now, the record companies come,
and they have budgets,
995
00:44:44,788 --> 00:44:47,872
and there's bands
playing on the corner.
996
00:44:47,908 --> 00:44:50,825
Everybody else has glommed onto
South By Southwest which takes away
997
00:44:50,877 --> 00:44:53,328
from what the heart
of what South By Southwest
998
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:55,580
was created to be.
999
00:44:55,632 --> 00:44:57,582
Then I think as
South By Southwest came along
1000
00:44:57,634 --> 00:45:00,752
it drew more attention
to Austin.
1001
00:45:00,804 --> 00:45:04,422
Gibbons: There's still evidence of
"small town-ness"
1002
00:45:04,424 --> 00:45:06,591
to be found in Austin,
but by and large,
1003
00:45:06,593 --> 00:45:09,844
it's...
It's really grown up.
1004
00:45:09,896 --> 00:45:14,015
It's not so much isolated
or localized as it once was,
1005
00:45:14,067 --> 00:45:17,018
but there's still a history
and a legacy there, you know,
1006
00:45:17,070 --> 00:45:19,187
that deserves a lot of respect
1007
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,107
and that we can
learn a lot from.
1008
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,109
Grohl: Because you were
born and raised here,
1009
00:45:24,161 --> 00:45:25,443
you have probably
1010
00:45:25,445 --> 00:45:28,613
one of the better
perspectives on this city.
1011
00:45:28,665 --> 00:45:30,915
Growing up you must have known
1012
00:45:30,951 --> 00:45:33,418
that this was somewhat
of a music capital, right?
1013
00:45:33,453 --> 00:45:34,669
I didn't know.
1014
00:45:34,704 --> 00:45:38,623
I never really
crossed the river
1015
00:45:38,625 --> 00:45:41,926
to go anywhere other than like,
my grandmother's house.
1016
00:45:41,962 --> 00:45:43,962
Every now and then we would
drive down Sixth Street
1017
00:45:44,014 --> 00:45:45,930
and, you know,
check it out during the day,
1018
00:45:45,966 --> 00:45:49,050
but I didn't know all
this stuff was happening
1019
00:45:49,102 --> 00:45:52,187
until I went down for my friend
Eve's birthday party
1020
00:45:52,222 --> 00:45:54,389
and I was like,
"How could you keep this from me?"
1021
00:45:54,441 --> 00:45:56,891
Like, "This is everything
that I want in my life."
1022
00:45:56,943 --> 00:46:00,111
So I jumped in, man.
1023
00:46:00,147 --> 00:46:01,980
I started skipping school,
1024
00:46:02,032 --> 00:46:03,731
I started missing out
on projects,
1025
00:46:03,784 --> 00:46:04,983
I wasn't doing homework,
1026
00:46:05,035 --> 00:46:07,035
I was hanging out
in smoky bars way too late
1027
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:09,370
and showing up to school
in the morning
1028
00:46:09,406 --> 00:46:11,156
just disinterested, like,
"Where were you?"
1029
00:46:11,208 --> 00:46:12,657
I was like,
"I was hanging with Jimmie Vaughan
1030
00:46:12,709 --> 00:46:14,075
and Pinetop Perkins
and James Cotton
1031
00:46:14,127 --> 00:46:15,660
at Antone's last night."
1032
00:46:15,712 --> 00:46:17,962
Grohl: You remember him from
when he was a little kid.
1033
00:46:17,998 --> 00:46:19,831
Yes.
1034
00:46:19,833 --> 00:46:21,883
What did you think the first
time you saw this little kid?
1035
00:46:21,918 --> 00:46:24,052
Well, I...
I just didn't think anything about it.
1036
00:46:24,087 --> 00:46:27,388
I just figured his parents,
you know, brought their kid
1037
00:46:27,424 --> 00:46:30,558
and then I started hearing about him...
"Gary Clark...
1038
00:46:30,594 --> 00:46:32,510
And he plays with that
little girl named Eve,
1039
00:46:32,512 --> 00:46:34,429
you got to
hear 'em play."
1040
00:46:34,481 --> 00:46:35,814
( music playing )
1041
00:46:35,849 --> 00:46:37,765
Yeah, I don't read music
1042
00:46:37,818 --> 00:46:40,852
so it was either by sight or,
you know, by ear.
1043
00:46:40,854 --> 00:46:45,857
Had mad VHS tapes
of Austin City Limits
1044
00:46:45,859 --> 00:46:47,275
and they're worn.
1045
00:46:47,327 --> 00:46:49,444
Like, you can tell like,
parts where...
1046
00:46:49,496 --> 00:46:51,746
I just watched them
over and over again.
1047
00:46:51,781 --> 00:46:54,499
"Okay, well,
it's somewhere in here...
1048
00:46:54,534 --> 00:46:56,701
That awesomeness is in
this section of the neck."
1049
00:46:56,736 --> 00:47:00,588
You know what I mean?
So let me figure that out.
1050
00:47:00,624 --> 00:47:03,208
I spent a lot of time like,
this close to the TV,
1051
00:47:03,243 --> 00:47:06,878
like, "What is that?"
1052
00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:09,547
And so finally one night,
uh, we got him up.
1053
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,300
He had that smooth thing
that he's got now...
1054
00:47:12,352 --> 00:47:15,053
( music playing )
1055
00:47:15,055 --> 00:47:17,639
But there's a smoothness
on top of the...
1056
00:47:17,691 --> 00:47:20,225
The "soulful roughness"
that's going on
1057
00:47:20,277 --> 00:47:22,727
that you immediately get...
Bam!
1058
00:47:22,729 --> 00:47:24,362
You get it when you hear him.
1059
00:47:24,397 --> 00:47:25,697
( music continues )
1060
00:47:25,732 --> 00:47:27,398
And he had that
when he was a little kid,
1061
00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:31,202
so we're... Everybody's like,
"Okay, we know he's got it."
1062
00:47:31,238 --> 00:47:33,488
He's just heavy of...
1063
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:36,541
As a blues player as anybody.
He's for real.
1064
00:47:36,576 --> 00:47:38,710
He's not faking it,
you know what I mean?
1065
00:47:38,745 --> 00:47:42,046
He asked me to open up
some shows for him
1066
00:47:42,082 --> 00:47:43,915
and took me on the road
for my first time.
1067
00:47:43,967 --> 00:47:47,418
I'd just graduated high school,
I was like, 19 or something...?
1068
00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:48,836
Yeah, I was young.
1069
00:47:48,889 --> 00:47:50,838
I couldn't even get into
most of the clubs.
1070
00:47:50,891 --> 00:47:53,007
I would play the set and then
they'd make me sit outside.
1071
00:47:53,059 --> 00:47:55,810
And, uh, yeah,
I still got pictures
1072
00:47:55,845 --> 00:47:58,596
of, like, me in the club
with Xs on my hands,
1073
00:47:58,598 --> 00:47:59,931
you know, I was too young.
1074
00:47:59,933 --> 00:48:02,600
We're real proud of him,
you know, in Austin,
1075
00:48:02,602 --> 00:48:05,770
because he's sort of like
the new generation.
1076
00:48:05,772 --> 00:48:08,406
He's just like a mentor
and a teacher.
1077
00:48:08,441 --> 00:48:09,691
I'll always be grateful.
I can...
1078
00:48:09,743 --> 00:48:11,659
He changed my life,
you know what I mean?
1079
00:48:11,695 --> 00:48:13,361
( music ends )
( cheers, whistles )
1080
00:48:13,413 --> 00:48:14,779
We're gonna get everybody.
1081
00:48:14,831 --> 00:48:16,414
Gary Clark, Jr.,
1082
00:48:16,449 --> 00:48:19,117
y'all know
Jimmie Vaughan on the guitar.
1083
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:20,785
Clark, Jr.:
First time that I played
1084
00:48:20,837 --> 00:48:24,005
on this stage
was with Jimmie Vaughan.
1085
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,290
It's like the first time
1086
00:48:25,342 --> 00:48:27,175
I saw Austin City Limits
with Jimmie Vaughan,
1087
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:29,427
it was on, you know what I mean?
It's a trip.
1088
00:48:29,462 --> 00:48:31,429
I mean,
I'm tripped out right now sittin' here.
1089
00:48:31,464 --> 00:48:32,630
It's crazy.
1090
00:48:32,682 --> 00:48:33,932
- Grohl: It gets weirder, too.
- Does it?
1091
00:48:33,967 --> 00:48:35,466
- Oh, yeah.
- Awesome.
1092
00:48:35,468 --> 00:48:38,636
( music continues )
1093
00:48:38,638 --> 00:48:41,439
Lickona:
We have almost 40 years
1094
00:48:41,474 --> 00:48:43,558
of these incredible classic
historic performances.
1095
00:48:43,610 --> 00:48:47,612
♪ I keep a close watch
on this heart of mine... ♪
1096
00:48:47,647 --> 00:48:50,198
Lickona: I'd love it to
think that people...
1097
00:48:50,233 --> 00:48:53,484
Anybody, anywhere in the world,
can someday
1098
00:48:53,536 --> 00:48:58,206
go and watch that
Johnny Cash song from 1982
1099
00:48:58,241 --> 00:49:02,377
or the Willie Nelson song
from his pilot show
1100
00:49:02,412 --> 00:49:04,662
when he was 39 years old.
1101
00:49:04,714 --> 00:49:08,499
Or, you know,
pick an artist, pick a song.
1102
00:49:08,501 --> 00:49:09,917
That's history, man.
1103
00:49:09,970 --> 00:49:11,552
Grohl:
Now have you played
1104
00:49:11,588 --> 00:49:13,805
on Austin City Limits,
the TV show?
1105
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,507
I performed on
Austin City Limits
1106
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,509
with Roky Erickson.
1107
00:49:18,511 --> 00:49:21,763
( music playing )
1108
00:49:28,021 --> 00:49:31,856
Gibbons: He's, uh,
emerged and risen from the ashes
1109
00:49:31,908 --> 00:49:34,859
of a really challenging period
1110
00:49:34,911 --> 00:49:37,111
and it's a...
It's a real bonus.
1111
00:49:37,163 --> 00:49:40,448
♪ Two-headed dog,
two-headed dog. ♪
1112
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:44,369
♪ I've been working in the Kremlin
with a two-headed dog. ♪
1113
00:49:44,421 --> 00:49:46,371
♪ Two-headed dog... ♪
1114
00:49:46,373 --> 00:49:49,540
Grohl: The idea of putting
people together on stage
1115
00:49:49,592 --> 00:49:51,459
to perform live for an audience
1116
00:49:51,511 --> 00:49:54,929
with no holds barred,
no editing,
1117
00:49:54,964 --> 00:49:57,048
just musicians in a room...
1118
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:59,434
Usually those moments
are only seen
1119
00:49:59,469 --> 00:50:02,637
in smoky bars and small clubs
1120
00:50:02,689 --> 00:50:04,389
and basements and theaters,
1121
00:50:04,391 --> 00:50:05,940
but they managed
to capture them
1122
00:50:05,975 --> 00:50:08,493
and share them with the world.
1123
00:50:09,329 --> 00:50:11,729
( whirring )
1124
00:50:14,567 --> 00:50:17,035
I worry about cities
like Austin
1125
00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:19,570
because it's only
a matter of time
1126
00:50:19,572 --> 00:50:22,573
before that candle blows out,
man.
1127
00:50:24,411 --> 00:50:27,245
When cops started to come
around with decibel meters
1128
00:50:27,297 --> 00:50:30,581
at the gigs,
telling people to turn it down
1129
00:50:30,633 --> 00:50:34,585
because, you know,
neighbors or residents
1130
00:50:34,637 --> 00:50:36,671
of like,
new condos that went up
1131
00:50:36,723 --> 00:50:39,424
weren't feeling the noise,
I was like, "Okay,
1132
00:50:39,426 --> 00:50:43,144
this is...
This is a game changer."
1133
00:50:43,179 --> 00:50:45,480
Like, that's what we do,
you know what I mean?
1134
00:50:45,515 --> 00:50:48,015
Like, we make noise
and people love it.
1135
00:50:48,068 --> 00:50:49,851
That's why we're here...
Like a thing,
1136
00:50:49,903 --> 00:50:53,154
it's like music, food,
outside, the river...
1137
00:50:53,189 --> 00:50:56,074
Like, that's what we do.
Like, don't fuck with that.
1138
00:50:57,911 --> 00:51:00,194
Klein:
I mean, my biggest concern
1139
00:51:00,246 --> 00:51:03,331
is that the prices of places
to live become too high,
1140
00:51:03,366 --> 00:51:05,199
that it pushes
the creative people out.
1141
00:51:05,251 --> 00:51:07,452
I mean, we need those people
in our community
1142
00:51:07,454 --> 00:51:10,922
to continue to make it
interesting.
1143
00:51:10,957 --> 00:51:14,092
Grohl: So with South By
Southwest getting bigger
1144
00:51:14,127 --> 00:51:17,211
and ACL and their new venue
getting bigger...
1145
00:51:17,263 --> 00:51:19,464
Yeah.
1146
00:51:19,466 --> 00:51:23,718
Grohl: Like, then how do you
"keep Austin weird"?
1147
00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:26,137
( sighs )
That's a good question.
1148
00:51:26,189 --> 00:51:30,057
Reason why all the artists
moved here in the first place
1149
00:51:30,110 --> 00:51:35,146
was because you can move here
and live on basically nothing.
1150
00:51:35,198 --> 00:51:37,615
You could, you know,
make music or do art
1151
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:39,817
or do your craft
and be able to survive.
1152
00:51:39,819 --> 00:51:41,819
And there's a lot of people
1153
00:51:41,871 --> 00:51:43,821
who think
it's growing too fast.
1154
00:51:43,823 --> 00:51:46,491
Maybe I gotta move
further west.
1155
00:51:46,543 --> 00:51:48,743
And maybe, you know,
at some point you might want to
1156
00:51:48,795 --> 00:51:51,212
because the population
is growing,
1157
00:51:51,247 --> 00:51:53,164
but there's
plenty of room out west.
1158
00:51:53,166 --> 00:51:54,916
( Grohl chuckles )
That's true.
1159
00:51:54,968 --> 00:51:58,719
Nelson: It's a long way to El Paso.
( Grohl laughs )
1160
00:51:59,923 --> 00:52:01,172
Clark, Jr.:
Decisions.
1161
00:52:01,174 --> 00:52:03,474
Like,
which decisions do I make?
1162
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:08,429
Do I make the ones
that preserve this thing?
1163
00:52:16,406 --> 00:52:20,358
Or do I do other things
people think should happen?
1164
00:52:23,112 --> 00:52:25,363
That's where I'm at.
I'm like,
1165
00:52:25,415 --> 00:52:29,283
I don't know what to...
I don't know, and...
1166
00:52:30,537 --> 00:52:32,003
All right, here we go.
1167
00:52:38,010 --> 00:52:41,744
_
1168
00:52:41,764 --> 00:52:44,515
Hawkins:
One, two, three...
1169
00:52:44,551 --> 00:52:47,351
( music intro plays )
1170
00:52:50,941 --> 00:52:53,407
_
1171
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:57,945
_
1172
00:52:57,968 --> 00:53:01,068
_
1173
00:53:01,091 --> 00:53:04,461
_
1174
00:53:08,756 --> 00:53:11,656
_
1175
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,754
_
1176
00:53:15,772 --> 00:53:18,731
_
1177
00:53:18,754 --> 00:53:23,216
_
1178
00:53:24,879 --> 00:53:29,059
_
1179
00:53:29,083 --> 00:53:32,957
_
1180
00:53:33,744 --> 00:53:37,787
_
1181
00:53:37,810 --> 00:53:41,860
_
1182
00:53:42,189 --> 00:53:44,531
_
1183
00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:47,901
_
1184
00:53:50,906 --> 00:53:53,149
_
1185
00:53:53,172 --> 00:53:55,204
_
1186
00:53:55,227 --> 00:53:58,565
_
1187
00:53:58,588 --> 00:54:03,649
_
1188
00:54:04,084 --> 00:54:08,058
_
1189
00:54:08,082 --> 00:54:12,808
_
1190
00:54:12,831 --> 00:54:16,840
_
1191
00:54:16,864 --> 00:54:21,279
_
1192
00:54:21,302 --> 00:54:23,867
_
1193
00:54:23,891 --> 00:54:26,591
_
1194
00:54:30,006 --> 00:54:32,213
_
1195
00:54:32,237 --> 00:54:37,649
_
1196
00:54:37,655 --> 00:54:42,710
_
1197
00:55:00,359 --> 00:55:02,789
_
1198
00:55:02,813 --> 00:55:06,964
_
1199
00:55:09,148 --> 00:55:11,599
_
1200
00:55:11,611 --> 00:55:16,707
_
1201
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:22,853
_
1202
00:55:29,098 --> 00:55:30,381
( music stops )
1203
00:55:30,501 --> 00:55:33,298
_
1204
00:55:33,308 --> 00:55:37,705
_
1205
00:55:37,728 --> 00:55:40,934
_
1206
00:55:40,951 --> 00:55:44,591
_
1207
00:55:44,614 --> 00:55:47,114
( drumroll plays )
1208
00:55:49,414 --> 00:55:52,572
_
1209
00:55:52,596 --> 00:55:56,529
_
1210
00:55:56,546 --> 00:55:59,693
_
1211
00:55:59,716 --> 00:56:04,682
_
1212
00:56:04,706 --> 00:56:08,844
_
1213
00:56:08,868 --> 00:56:13,770
_
1214
00:56:15,182 --> 00:56:18,058
_
1215
00:56:18,082 --> 00:56:21,111
_
1216
00:56:21,135 --> 00:56:27,780
_
1217
00:56:31,659 --> 00:56:35,052
_
1218
00:56:35,076 --> 00:56:45,339
_
1219
00:56:48,169 --> 00:56:51,392
_
1220
00:56:51,415 --> 00:57:01,398
_
1221
00:57:04,007 --> 00:57:07,353
_
1222
00:57:07,377 --> 00:57:17,092
_
1223
00:57:19,459 --> 00:57:23,294
( solo plays )
1224
00:57:51,711 --> 00:57:55,034
_
1225
00:57:55,057 --> 00:58:03,259
_
1226
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:11,175
( music fading )
1227
00:58:15,003 --> 00:58:18,770
Sync, corrected by icephoenix
www.addic7ed.com
1228
00:58:23,356 --> 00:58:26,090
( music playing )
1229
00:58:46,445 --> 00:58:49,613
♪ Two-headed dog,
two-headed dog. ♪
1230
00:58:49,649 --> 00:58:51,916
♪ I've been working
in the Kremlin ♪
1231
00:58:51,951 --> 00:58:54,118
♪ with a two-headed dog. ♪
1232
00:58:54,153 --> 00:58:57,187
♪ Two-headed dog,
two headed dog. ♪
1233
00:58:57,223 --> 00:58:59,356
♪ I've been working
in the Kremlin ♪
1234
00:58:59,392 --> 00:59:02,293
♪ with a two-headed dog. ♪
1235
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:07,464
♪ Peace brought back,
brought back. ♪
1236
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:11,135
♪ Relaxed be nyet
brought back. ♪
1237
00:59:11,170 --> 00:59:14,905
♪ Did you dry her out,
wind her out like jerky? ♪
1238
00:59:14,941 --> 00:59:17,174
♪ To me, she's healed,
don't attack... ♪