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When the history of this planet
is finally told,
it will be a tale of a determined few
who rose up against overwhelming odds
and stood firm for the rights of man.
Today, we're going to be discussing
Scientology's propaganda arms.
These propaganda arms,
they claim they are taking care of drug...
the drug problem.
They're taking care of illiteracy.
They're bringing relief to people
who have suffered natural disasters.
They are helping eradicate psychiatry.
They are doing away with crime.
They are somehow taking care
of the broad problems in society.
These organizations have three purposes.
One, to create goodwill and public relations
- for Scientology. - Okay, second?
Second, to convince Scientologists
that Scientology is having a massive effect
around the world.
Right, because why do these things, Mike?
Why give up your life savings, your children and everything
if we're not making any change
- in the world? - Exactly.
Our hallmark is unrelenting commitment
and enduring compassion,
extending a hand however, wherever and whenever.
We are the IAS!
And then three, fundraising,
because Scientologists are hammered constantly
to give money to support these "humanitarian" objectives.
These propaganda arms
are proving to Scientologists
that Scientology is single-handedly
taking care of this planet.
It really affects you when you see these events.
There are five mandatory events in Scientology
that all Scientologists have to attend,
and if you can't attend,
they make sure that you watch the video of it.
It's an amazing sales tool.
What happens is, to people like me
who go to these events and I see the horses, you know,
and the flag.
"Scientology is saving this sector of the universe,
and we are saving mankind".
You know, it does work on me.
I mean, I got goose bumps
when I used to sit in that audience,
and I used to say to myself like, "Wow, Leah,
"you've been so critical of your church.
"These people have accepted your church.
"Look at these amazing things
that they're doing in the world".
There are these groups
that go out and say, well,
"We're the Way to Happiness Foundation,"
and they don't tell anybody
that they are a Scientology propaganda arm.
And, for the person who might be, you know,
brighter than the average schmuck,
they say, "Well, hang on a second.
It says L. Ron Hubbard. What's the answer to that?"
This is not related to the Church of Scientology.
This L. Ron Hubbard wrote various things.
They are applicable to all of life.
We're just doing good works in the community.
The thing is that when they tell those people that
and someone then says,
"Well, thank you so much for your great work
that you have done,"
and they say "Well, would you please give us a letter,
or would you sign a proclamation?"
Or we just happen to have a camera crew
and a dolly set up. We just happen to have that.
Would you do us a quick favor
and just say to the camera...
That statement is now going to be shown
to convince Scientologists
that the government of X, Y, and Z country,
the mayor of this place,
all of these people are supporting Scientology
and our programs.
But if you go to those people and say,
are you aware of the fact that your statement
was shown at an event for Scientology,
it was put in the Scientology magazines?
- They're like "We had no idea". - Right.
It really affects you when you see these events.
For somebody like me who's just a civilian Scientologist,
I go "What? The President of Uganda?"
For which there now comes
an official partnership with the office
of Uganda's President.
And that says to Scientologists
that the world at large is accepting Scientology.
Hey, Mike, I have a question for you.
- Yeah? - When you did those events...
- Yeah. - And you came out onstage...
Please welcome Mr. Mike Rinder.
We've continued our events, conferences,
and hand-to-hand distribution,
reaching no less than 131 million worldwide this year.
At the time, did you believe that that was true?
I always knew that everything was being presented
in the best possible light,
and that's probably the kindest way of putting it.
Even if what was being shown wasn't exactly that,
- there was... - Some truth to it.
- There was some truth. - So it worked on you too
- as a Sea Org member? - Sort of, yeah.
I mean, I could tell you that I believed it
when I was like, you know, with my attitude,
like, you know, don't attack Scientology.
You know, without Scientology, there would be no like...
Without any Scientology organization,
things are not going to change on this planet.
We are the most ethical group you're ever going to find
and actually the only group
that's really making change for mankind.
And I really believed it.
I really believed we were doing those things.
Yeah, well, you were supposed to.
So, that's what we're going to cover.
So who are we going to be talking to tonight?
Well, we're going to be talking to Tony Ortega.
He's a journalist who's been reporting on
and exposing abuses in Scientology for decades.
Fred Oxaal, a 30-year Scientologist,
who was one of the people that helped start
the Way To Happiness Foundation.
- Welcome, gentlemen. - Thank you.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
Back in the '60s, there were a couple of people
who took what Hubbard had done
and turned it into a drug rehabilitation program,
which ultimately became Narconon.
And then a couple of people had taken
Hubbard's study technology
and were starting to use it in a secular setting.
And they generated some goodwill,
and L. Ron Hubbard reviewed this and said,
"Look, these things are generating
good public relations for Scientology".
Right.
"So let's formalize their organization,"
and the instruction was
expand these things to keep generating goodwill
- and good PR for Scientology. - Right.
That is the history of the start
of all of this,
which has now reached the level
where these propaganda arms are all over,
- and there are many of them. - Yeah, they're popping up,
- and they're changing names. - They're... they're everywhere.
Scientology makes these astonishing claims
about both the efficacy and the reach
of its propaganda arms.
This is Guatemala.
With 2.3 million copies,
federal statistics reported a full 21% drop in homicides.
Through campaigns to disseminate
the truth about drugs,
we've reached more than half a billion people
just this year alone,
and all while 27 million people
now safe from psych abuse
through your support of the IAS.
And this is something that is a very important thing
that is used to convince Scientologists
that they need to give money,
because if he just kept standing there
and saying "This is what we're doing,
give us your money,"
and there was nothing to show people,
then they wouldn't keep giving the money.
But the real focus of this
is Scientologists are being hoodwinked
into giving money for things that aren't happening.
Narconon is another one of the organizations
that Scientology uses to generate propaganda.
And, just to be clear,
Narconon is a drug rehabilitation program.
There is an answer
to the nightmare of addiction...
the Narconon Drug Rehabilitation Program.
Narconon will admit that it uses L. Ron Hubbard's...
- Technology. - Ideas.
They do their best
not to say anything about Scientology.
The argument that gets made is, yes,
but there are other religious drug rehab programs,
and there are, there's many of them.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that,
and, if you go to those, they will tell you
"Our program is based on the Bible".
The difference with Narconon
is that Scientology tries to keep a distance from it,
and Narconon tries to keep a distance from Scientology
all the way until you get to an event,
and then, oh, now everything about Narconon
is a part of us.
So, to begin where it all begins,
let's return to our international Narconon center
at Arrowhead. To date and by the numbers,
Arrowhead's technical delivery unit
has now trained 412 LRH drug rehab specialists
from 19 nations and 47 U.S. states.
The International Association of Scientologists,
we're the ones that are making Narconon.
We're the ones that put Narconon there.
We take credit for all of the accomplishments of Narconon,
and every Scientologist that's sitting in the audience
goes "Oh my God, look what we're doing
to salvage people from the ravages of drugs".
The people that are most fooled about this...
- Are Scientologists. - Are Scientologists.
Oh yeah.
Because this is what gets used
to raise money.
Over half a million stand as living proof
that Narconon salvages lives like never before.
I know how that figure gets arrived at.
- How? - Everybody who has ever done
a purification program in a Church of Scientology
or in Narconon is counted.
Oh, so it's not even just from Narconon.
It's from actual Churches of Scientology?
- Absolutely right. - Okay.
You see, it doesn't say
2.5 million people have completed
- the Narconon program. - What does it say?
It says there are a half million lives
salvaged from the ravages of drugs
- or words like that. - Right.
'Cause a lot of this is also smoke and mirrors,
the way that words are put together
and sentences are constructed to create an impression
which isn't what is actually being said.
Yeah, and what do they say on their own website
about their success rate?
They at minimum will tell you
that they have about a 70% success rate.
I've seen advertisements for Narconon
going up to 90% success rate.
People who are legitimate rehab experts
will tell you the best programs
have about a 25% success rate.
Exactly, and why no one has said anything about that,
why no one has taken them to task.
I mean, it's right on their website.
Right.
In fact, we have documents showing their own attorneys
saying "We have to stop saying that,
it's not true".
It's outrageous. Scientology advertises
that it's going to give you individualized drug counseling.
And they're very careful never to tell you
that you won't be talking about drugs at all.
You're just getting Scientology training.
And the victims of Narconon
are not just Scientologists who are being raised money from.
It's the people who go into Narconon
not knowing what they're getting into
and people who have compromised immune systems,
compromised livers
who then go into this 25-day sauna program
where they're being baked, you know,
four or five hours a day. Well, these parents,
before sending their loved ones to Narconon
should be checking it out
before putting them into a risky situation.
- Agreed. - Agreed.
It's risky, it's bad,
and several people have died.
It's very simple, you know. Look at the news.
Well, Narconon Arrowhead is a drug treatment center.
A former patient contacted us after he became concerned
about deaths that occurred there.
Three people died while in their care.
Stacy Murphy isn't the first person
to die at Narconon's Arrowhead facility
here in Oklahoma.
In fact, she's the third person to die here
in less than a year.
What the Way to Happiness is used for
is a propaganda tool for Scientologists
and to make it appear that Scientology,
which supports the Way to Happiness,
- is changing the world. - Right.
Only to what's described as dramatic improvements
in police performance since the Way To Happiness,
Karachi crime and terrorist action
just fell more than 30%.
The Way To Happiness is a non-religious moral code
that L. Ron Hubbard wrote separate from his actions
as the founder of Scientology and "Dianetics".
He did write he thought maybe the Way To Happiness
would be the thing he would become
most well-known for.
And, as it turned out,
the focus of my job became
to print up all these millions of books
that we were distributing around the world.
You might not even remember this,
but when you were about 10 or 12 or 13 years old
you were the receptionist
at the Way To Happiness Foundation.
Was I? I don't even remember.
I used to pick you up at your house...
Did you? How nice.
And drive you to work in the afternoons.
I'd pick you up at around 12:30 in the afternoon.
- Really? - Yeah.
- How was I? - You were awesome.
You were just like you are now, as a matter of fact.
- Pain in the ass. - Full of life...
- Scared everyone away. - And we had some fun.
I want to introduce a little history about this
because the timing is very important.
This booklet came out in 1980.
What was happening in 1980?
The FBI had raided
the Church of Scientology in 1977.
L. Ron Hubbard's own wife, Mary Sue,
was on trial in 1979.
There was incredible bad publicity
about the Church of Scientology across the country.
L. Ron Hubbard knew he had to put out a booklet
to push against that and say "Here's what we believe".
And what does it have?
It has these basic precepts of right and wrong
in order to push back
against this wave of bad publicity
about what was going on in the Church at the time.
From what I have been told
and what I have seen on their website
that by people handing out
"The Way To Happiness" booklets by L. Ron Hubbard
is reducing crime in amazing ways.
It is solving every problem
that the world has ever confronted.
Look, there's nothing inherently wrong
- with a moral code. - Nothing.
Or distributing a moral code.
Where this becomes problematic
is when it's distributed under the auspices
of an organization that says
it has nothing to do with Scientology
and makes claims about the results
of what the organization's doing
in the distribution of this booklet.
And then that gets turned into propaganda
for Scientology.
So now their victims
are Scientologists like me
who believe this when we see these events
that, you know, "The Way To Happiness" booklet
has reduced crime in Colombia.
And distributing copies of the booklet
to 20% of the population,
the impossible had been achieved.
Crime rates dropped by 50% across the boards,
and that's why they call it
The Colombian Miracle.
I spent many years flying around the world,
and I would sort of like arrive in some country,
and there's like a pile
of like 150,000 "Way To Happiness" books.
They would be in cartons sitting on pallets
shrink-wrapped in big warehouses.
And it's like "You've got to get those out
by next week, or else".
I'd have to like create a Way To Happiness campaign
in some country... Italy, Switzerland, France,
South Africa, India.
- I was all over the place. - And what's the campaign?
Well, it always degenerated in the end
down to a street handout.
In the U.S., we would say
that there are five schools in your city
that are participating
in this Set A Good Example contest,
and thousands and thousands of children
have benefitted from it and therefore and whereas.
We would get all of these endorsements
from governors, congressmen, and mayors.
It would just go on and on.
We would write the proclamations.
Could you please declare, you know,
May 9th as L. Ron Hubbard Day.
Like, Congress, for example,
they had these different systems in place,
and we basically figured out how to game it,
how to create the document.
You know, when I walk through Celebrity Centre,
you know, it's exactly that.
I see proclamations in pretty frames,
and I'm like "The governor? What?
"Senators? What? Congressmen? What?"
And that always got me back in.
I really hope that people understand
when they say okay to these proclamations,
these commendations,
they are keeping people in an organization
that is saying things they are not doing.
It breaks my heart that those activities
inspired you to stay involved and donate money,
it really does.
But, well, honey, that's not you.
I was part of it too, right? But, Fred, I have a question.
Were those things true that you were saying?
We had all these kids participating,
we've done all these...
Well, I'd say the most that we really penetrated
into the school system
was called the Set a Good Example contest under the name
of the Concerned Businessmen's Association of America,
and we had 4,000+ schools in all 50 states,
many hundreds of thousands of students
that were being passed out "Way To Happiness" books
and even the study technology books
and doing various little campaigns
and activities in the school to "set a good example".
We would send them a $5,000 prize,
and we worked on it for so many years so hard.
And I thought that, yes, what we were doing
was getting L. Ron Hubbard more well-known
and well thought of
so that then when someone went into a bookstore
and saw "Dianetics"
that it would be almost like a subliminal link
to his good works as a humanitarian,
and then, well, wow, what's "Dianetics" then?
Let me find out more about that.
There is another thing that goes on.
Like, okay, we have to get "Way To Happiness" booklets
distributed to everybody in Venezuela
because Venezuela is collapsing as a country.
So, we need you to donate money
to give these booklets out to everybody
to save Venezuela.
Yet, the "donation" is not the cost
of printing the booklets and getting them there.
The donation is the full price with profit, etcetera,
that is designated this is the price
of a package of 12 "Way To Happiness" booklets.
Right, 'cause it's $1.00 a book, $12 a dozen.
Right out of the chute, 15% would go
right to L. Ron Hubbard.
But let's say somebody was at Flag,
and they purchased one, a Scientology service,
like a training package.
Well, there was a royalty that got paid
to L. Ron Hubbard for using his technology.
- The films, the movies. - Right.
So instead they get convinced
to donate that money "on account"
to "The Way To Happiness" campaign in Venezuela.
Well, then another 15% goes to L. Ron Hubbard
in book royalty. So there's not only...
- you didn't know about it. - I never thought about that.
- Yeah.
If a Scientologist is paying a dollar each,
what did it actually cost the Church of Scientology...
The Way To Happiness Foundation to print...
Well, eventually Bridge Publications,
the publishing arm of the Church of Scientology,
would arrange with a printer to print the books.
The last time I saw it, it was 15 cents.
So a booklet cost a dollar.
15% goes off the top to L. Ron Hubbard.
It costs 15 cents to manufacture it.
So there's 70 cents left.
There would be a commission paid to the bookseller.
So that's another 10 cents.
Right, so we had to pay rent to Flag
and the phone bills and the hotel
and all of this sort of stuff.
So I'd have to... we'd pay the commissions
right back in just to be there.
Nobody... nobody was getting rich on those ends.
So you were paying Scientology
- to be housed in their own... - Their facilities.
It's... A forensic accountant would have to figure out
exactly how it all went down.
Well, you don't need much of a forensic accountant
to figure out that it was a lot of bullshit.
The first thing always with these donations,
the money goes to L. Ron Hubbard...
- Right. That's right. - Or to author services.
I think Tony has written that Hubbard
was supposedly worth like $500 million when he died.
I don't even know if he even knew it.
And you can see how he accumulated it.
With every single transaction
- flowing money to him... - Right.
It's $600 million that was donated back
to the Church of Scientology
- when he died. - Wow.
We are joined now by a long-time Scientologist,
Quailynn, who was a dedicated Scientologist for 20 years.
Tonight, we're going to be talking specifically
about your involvement with these propaganda arms
of Scientology.
Yes, I have experience in all the propaganda arms.
Wow.
With WISE, with ABLE,
with Scientology Missions International,
Applied Scholastics, the Way To Happiness,
CCHR, Youth for Human Rights, and the Volunteer Ministers.
And so did you help people?
Absol... wait, hold on.
I don't know if I helped people,
but I helped the Church for sure.
Oh, okay.
Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing
is helping people?
I did ask myself that question at one point.
What I saw made me very uncomfortable,
and I thought, "Well, I must not
understand what's going on here".
The Church of Scientology says,
"Okay, there's been a catastrophe".
- Right. - Get your yellow shirt on.
- It says "Volunteer Minister". - Okay.
And get down to Katrina.
Well, it was actually more dramatic than that
because my husband and I were up in Seattle on a ferry,
and we got a call.
I was a volunteer minister. I had a mission.
My husband's a pilot, and we had a plane.
So we immediately flew home to Clearwater,
picked up the plane, changed our shirts,
and he dropped me off in New Orleans on Day Three.
- Okay. - So you get just dumped
into this chaos because there's curfew
and martial law and checkpoints,
but there's no water.
There's no blankets. There's no food.
So what did you do?
We took volunteer minister booklets,
and we distributed them to the National Guard.
- That's what we did. - What were the booklets?
- "How To Improve A Marriage". - By L. Ron Hubbard?
Yeah, the volunteer minister booklets.
"How To Improve A Marriage".
- Touch Assists. - Study Technology.
Study Tech. I talked to my husband.
I'm like "Are you sure
we didn't put any water in the plane?"
Any food? Any blankets?
He's like, "No, we didn't take any of that.
"I just flew you and some other people
with yellow shirts back and forth a few times".
What were you told that your mission was?
To just hand out these booklets
to the National Guard and take a picture?
Give them assists and give them a booklet,
and tell them about Scientology.
So the National Guard, did they find relief
in these Scientology assists that you were giving them?
- Were they... - The reaction I got
was a bit perplexed or confused.
Like uncertain. Why are you doing this?
Well, I mean they're dealing
- with dead bodies. - Yeah...
They're trying to help people survive.
And you're having them lay down on a table
and tell them "Feel my finger".
Yeah, yeah.
But that's not what
the volunteer ministers claim to do.
If they said, "Hey, we want you guys to fly out there,
"and we just want you to make the people feel comforted
by touching them".
That wouldn't have been a problem.
But if I'm just going to give them a booklet
and tell them to go make their marriage better,
- there's a disconnect there. - Completely.
Well, yes, because we know that the purpose of it
is just to introduce Scientology
to the National Guard and to get a picture with them
holding the volunteer ministers
or giving a sound bite that said, you know,
"The volunteer ministers,
"the people in the yellow shirts,
they gave me great relief".
Thank you, bye. Wrap it up.
What's so clever and insidious
about all of these things...
there's nothing wrong with going
and helping doing disaster relief,
because if you go back and look
Scientologists will say that, you know,
we have these massive number of volunteer ministers that helped
and the Red Cross said how wonderful we were.
But the truth of the matter is
that all of them are for the purpose
of generating PR.
And make sure the cameras catch you doing it.
Well, everything needs to be a photo for evidence.
- They say that to you? - Absolutely.
We know this in Scientology
you take pictures of everything you do.
Leah, there is a little booklet
that Scientology distributed to everybody,
"How To Shoot Your PR Activities".
And it says make sure that you document everything.
Make sure that you get everybody
looking at the camera. Make sure they're smiling.
Make sure you clean up anything in the background
that you don't want to have there.
All the good PR that you are generating,
make sure that you document it
because good PR that isn't documented is useless.
When you watch these events,
you see all these little pictures
and little video clips of this and that
because every person is out there
documenting everything.
Scientology volunteer ministers
brought their brand of indiscriminate succor
to every major disaster in the last 10 years.
See, they didn't want to tell us
that they were just rounding random kids up
off the street,
herding them in, giving them five bucks,
and telling them to sit at a table and hold a book.
- Right. - Because that would've
created a problem for them,
and the impression that gets created
is that there were literally thousands of Scientologists
that flocked to Katrina.
Yet when you talk to someone that was actually there
they say, "Well, there was 25.
The most I ever saw was 40 people or 50 people".
Scientology will say with the volunteer ministers
this is the largest private relief force on Earth.
With whole armies of yellow shirts
materializing out of chaos
to become the largest independent relief force
this world has ever seen.
One guy and usually a couple of others
in a staged, prop shot,
and that is now presented.
There's a picture from here and a picture from here
and a picture from here... see, we're everywhere.
And things are changing.
It was a terror... terrorism incident in London.
And people were killed.
And I published a document from a Scientologist
- saying this's our opportunity. - Right.
And that's how they see it.
These are opportunities to them.
But, like I said, I think the public
is starting to understand
that, you know, this is Scientology,
and they are not necessarily very helpful
when they're there.
The Citizens Commission on Human Rights,
which has a very generic name, sounds great, human rights,
but it has a very specific goal,
and that is to destroy the psychiatric profession.
Psychiatry is the terrorist symbol
that decimated 100 million human beings
in the last century alone.
So, yes, the IAS rightly takes psychiatry seriously,
and so we built an intrepid legion of Psych Busters
who swear to inform and prosecute,
to legislate and shut down
and dismantle the whole infrastructure,
thus ridding humanity of the ultimate evil.
And it's probably the most unhinged
of all the propaganda arms.
I mean, it's the one that's sort of the most outrageous
about what it does.
It actually has a museum on Sunset Boulevard.
Centered around 15 documentary films,
the exhibition presents the unvarnished history
of psychiatry, from its origins and practice
of putting the mentally ill in cages
to the present day mass drugging of society
as the cure for invented mental disorders.
It tries to blame the entire Holocaust on psychiatry.
It's because it was the Nazi leadership.
They don't mention that.
In fact, a professor at Emory University
has said that Scientology's blaming of the Holocaust
on psychiatry is a soft core version of denialism.
Because it's not really blaming who was at fault...
- Sure, yeah. Sure. - Which was Nazi leadership.
So, there's something like 150,000 psychiatrists
in the United States,
and there's going to be a couple every year
that are, you know, run into problems with the law.
And so Scientology will publicize that.
With 4,000 psychs now out of a license,
out of job, arrested, fined,
or colonizing prison cells,
they can finally return to their primeval roots
playing with their little furry friends in dungeons,
and that's CCHR bringing psychiatry to Judgment Day
on this 27th IAS anniversary.
We closed down these institutions
that were abusing people, but when you investigate it
they had nothing to do with it.
Right.
What really happens is that in that building
on Sunset Boulevard, the Museum of Death,
there is a boiler room in there,
and they are responsible
for monitoring and collecting
all the information that appears anywhere
about a psychiatrist being prosecuted...
- Disciplined. - Or disciplined or whatever.
And they gather all that information up,
and then it gets presented at
the International Association of Scientology event,
and it's this is what your support
of the IAS makes possible.
Israel... it's where institutional psychiatry
slipped through the cracks
of an otherwise socially conscious society.
By order of Israel's Ministry of Health,
every Israeli private psych hospital is now terminated,
and that's what it means to eradicate psychiatry
right out of existence.
- Scientologists love that. - Yes.
They jump up and yell and scream,
and I used to do those speeches, Tony.
That was my speech, the CCHR.
We're eradicating, obliterating the psychs.
And then all of psychiatry
is shoving down pills in our children's mouths.
I mean, you see all these celebrities of Scientology
with the t-shirts.
"Stop drugging our children. Psychiatry kills".
Listen, nobody's gonna say,
"Yeah, I want you to over-drug my child".
This is one of the propaganda arms
which has taken an issue that does have legitimacy.
There is a question about how much children
- should be medicated. - Of course.
And they know that many people
will agree with their position on it.
But then when you drill down and look at what their position
is on other things they really believe Scientology
will replace psychiatry and psychology
for mental healthcare in the United States.
It's interesting that
one of Scientology's biggest donors,
- Bob and Trish Duggan... - Oh, this is funny.
There was a cancer drug
that made Bob into a billionaire.
Uh-huh.
And the company that purchased his company
makes psychiatric drugs.
And what we just found out recently
was he took a million shares and put it into a foundation,
and it's written into the foundation's bylaws
that the income that gets generated from that,
which is about $3 million a year,
can only go to the Church of Scientology
or one of its social betterment propaganda arms.
But what's so crazy is that I have friends
who are forced to disconnect from parents or sisters
who were on, you know, antidepressants
or who had been in psychiatric care.
But yet Bob Duggan
who's giving 10, $20 million a year to the IAS,
he's being celebrated. But the average Scientologist
can't even go to therapy.
You can't even see a therapist in Scientology.
You can't go to yoga, spiritual yoga is forbidden.
Here are the richest Scientologist in the world,
the biggest donor to Scientology
made that money from drugs.
I talked to a lot of Scientologists.
So many of them will tell me
that they've been out for five, ten years,
and they finally have decided to get some therapy.
- Yes. - And they can't believe
how helpful it is, but it was so difficult for them.
Yeah, my husband and I 100% lived that.
It's a big step to take as a Scientologist to seek help.
And you're terrified to sit there.
You're like "I know you're the enemy".
Right. Yes, but then you find out...
Not supposed to talk to you!
But then you find out they're not.
- It takes a while. - I know.
One of the propaganda arms
that's really increased its activity
in the last couple years
is called the Youth for Human Rights.
It's got an interesting kind of background to it.
In 1948, Eleanor Roosevelt worked with the United Nations
to put together a wonderful document
called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
To this day, it's a great document.
It lists all these different things
- that all human beings... - Of course.
Have a right to. You should have a right
not to be tortured, for example.
The Church of Scientology seized on this a few years ago,
and they now have this campaign
where they put out individual videos
about each of the different rights,
and they make a big deal about
how it's youth for human rights.
They're reaching out to teenagers
to tell them about their rights, because
it's really important for American teenagers
to realize that they can move to another town.
That's another one where there are
a lot of officials and police chiefs
and elected officials
who get suckered into, oh, we've got like...
- We've got 15 children here. - Of course.
And, look, we're promoting human rights.
Of course.
And of course they're gonna go
"Well, I'm for human rights too".
Nobody's gonna say "I'm not".
- Right. - I'll sign your pledge.
Yeah, so L. Ron Hubbard wrote these policies
like on the public image.
And in these directives of L. Ron Hubbard
he says we must appear as this,
and we must appear as that.
We must align ourselves with other organizations
that are really doing the work.
We must align ourselves with churches.
And that's how we will be successful,
and that's how the public shall see us.
I was actually well-aligned all over the community.
- But purposely. - Purposefully.
We even started attending Indian Rocks Church.
- Why? - My kids went to the school.
- Why? - Indian Rocks School.
We were deeply imbedding ourselves in the community.
We were the only Scientologists
with kids at Indian Rocks that were non-Christian.
For... for the purpose of what?
To Safe Point yourself that we...
Yeah, we're Safe Pointed, we're normal,
we're aligned, we're integrating,
and we're accepting other faiths.
And I actively did disseminate
and actively convert Christians into Scien...
and recruit them from that base.
Scientology always proceeds from the notion
that they will be taking over the world.
And in order to take over the world
they first need to send out
these social coordination programs
to soften up the field
so people will then be ready to accept Scientology.
Well, whether or not they touch somebody's body
or listen to them
or maybe handed out a bottle of water here or there,
what matters is that they are doing it
for really a purpose.
And the purpose is to promote themselves,
like Mike said, but also to keep parishioners in
by the footage that they get,
and, three, to milk the parishioners for more money.
Ultimately, it's to make a show at the event
to convince Scientologists that something is being done.
And do you think that Scientology
or that David Miscavige ever banked on the fact
that eventually there would be an internet
and those videos would get out?
Because they'll have like a firefighter speaking
about, hey, the volunteer ministers
really helped me.
It will say "Firefighter, New York".
- Right. - Like it won't say...
Like why doesn't it say the guy's name?
I think you're exactly right. It's because of the internet.
- They know it's gonna get out. - Right.
And there's another part to this too.
Those events... in theory those events
are a celebration of the accomplishments
of Scientology.
If that were true,
then why are they not distributed
- broadly to the public? - Right, to the news.
Why not give it to CNN?
Why not give it to MSNBC and Fox and yeah?
Why not make them available?
No, this is in the mind of the Scientologist
the proof of what Scientology is doing in the world.
- Right. - So why not get that out there
to everybody to see?
- Right. - Why not?
- Can't stand up to scrutiny. - That's exactly right.
The scrutiny of did they do anything.
That's exactly right.
It's very clever.
It's very calculated.
It's very produced,
but it's smoke and mirrors,
and underneath it is nothing other than
this is a way of collecting more money.
That's correct.
At these IAS events,
you have whales of Scientology
getting these big crazy awards,
handing over 15, $20 million.
When you think about how much money they raise
just at a single event or a single year,
how much help that money could be giving to people
- who actually need it. - I think it's not hard
for Scientology to deliver what they promise
as far as the propaganda groups if they just stepped up
and actually did what they said they were doing.
Most of us stay in because we believe
these things are going on in the world
and we're making these big changes.
We're willing to consider divorcing our husbands
and our wives, and we... a lot of people
disconnect from their children because of the propaganda
that's being put out. And I hope that somebody
stops, looks, and says
"I'm not putting my name on that"
or says "I never said that".
You have a responsibility now
that we continue to put this out.
You have a responsibility to do something.
We can't all do it.
So we hope that this affects some kind of change.
So thank you for doing what you've done.
- Thank you. - You're welcome, thank you.