1 00:00:15,003 --> 00:00:16,232 Morning, Lisbon. 2 00:00:16,233 --> 00:00:18,300 Morning. You close? 3 00:00:18,301 --> 00:00:20,167 No. Flat tire. 4 00:00:20,285 --> 00:00:22,191 All right. Well, we'll talk when you get here. 5 00:00:22,192 --> 00:00:23,702 Oh, wait a minute. Just 'cause I'm not there 6 00:00:23,703 --> 00:00:25,452 doesn't mean I can't be of help. 7 00:00:25,453 --> 00:00:27,310 Hold on a sec. What do you got? 8 00:00:27,311 --> 00:00:28,589 Victim's name is Michelle Karp... 9 00:00:28,590 --> 00:00:30,086 I'm putting you on speaker. 10 00:00:30,688 --> 00:00:33,484 19. She left the restaurant where she worked around 11:00 P.M. 11 00:00:33,485 --> 00:00:34,455 Never made it home. 12 00:00:34,456 --> 00:00:35,925 Looks like she was abducted and murdered. 13 00:00:35,926 --> 00:00:37,852 Her body was dumped here sometime late last night. 14 00:00:37,853 --> 00:00:39,133 Dog walker found her an hour ago. 15 00:00:39,134 --> 00:00:40,474 - Thanks. - All right. 16 00:00:41,809 --> 00:00:43,514 The body's on State Park land 17 00:00:43,515 --> 00:00:45,929 near a picnic area not far from the road. 18 00:00:45,930 --> 00:00:47,172 How was she killed? 19 00:00:47,267 --> 00:00:50,194 Her throat was slit. It looks pretty clean, precise. 20 00:00:50,195 --> 00:00:51,507 Mm. Blood? 21 00:00:51,508 --> 00:00:53,569 Hardly a drop. She's fully clothed, 22 00:00:53,570 --> 00:00:55,570 so probably no sexual assault. 23 00:00:55,787 --> 00:00:58,584 Her hands and feet are bound with wire. 24 00:00:58,585 --> 00:01:00,466 Small pebbles have been placed on her eyes. 25 00:01:00,467 --> 00:01:04,018 Huh, nice touch. Pebbles from the crime scene? 26 00:01:04,112 --> 00:01:05,620 It looks like it, yeah. 27 00:01:05,621 --> 00:01:08,416 And the--oh. And the wire? 28 00:01:09,078 --> 00:01:11,782 It's knotted. Neatly, carefully. 29 00:01:12,142 --> 00:01:13,733 Someone took their time. 30 00:01:17,021 --> 00:01:18,472 Yeah, you're right. 31 00:01:19,293 --> 00:01:20,565 I didn't say anything. 32 00:01:20,566 --> 00:01:21,715 No, but you were thinking something. 33 00:01:21,716 --> 00:01:23,330 You were thinking, whoever did this 34 00:01:23,331 --> 00:01:26,001 has killed before many times. 35 00:01:26,002 --> 00:01:27,882 Yes, but I can't assume that. 36 00:01:27,883 --> 00:01:29,825 Trust your instincts, Lisbon. 37 00:01:29,826 --> 00:01:33,040 Hey, boss. Just got off the phone with Fresno PD. 38 00:01:33,041 --> 00:01:34,321 The killer's M.O. fits four other murders 39 00:01:34,322 --> 00:01:36,398 they've had in the past 18 months. 40 00:01:36,467 --> 00:01:38,083 Looks like we've got a serial killer. 41 00:01:40,708 --> 00:01:42,297 Huh? See? 44 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:54,962 Sync by YYeTs, corrections by Alex1969 www.addic7ed.com 45 00:02:03,502 --> 00:02:06,257 Fresno PD sent over their files about an hour ago. 46 00:02:06,258 --> 00:02:07,696 Here's what we got so far. 47 00:02:07,697 --> 00:02:10,082 The San Joaquin killer abducts young girls, 48 00:02:10,083 --> 00:02:12,388 all between the ages of 16 and 20. 49 00:02:12,389 --> 00:02:13,373 He takes them to a location 50 00:02:13,374 --> 00:02:15,205 where he binds their hands and feet with wire, 51 00:02:15,206 --> 00:02:17,453 then cuts their throat before dumping the bodies. 52 00:02:17,454 --> 00:02:19,150 Small objects found near the crime scene are placed 53 00:02:19,151 --> 00:02:20,461 over their eyes... 54 00:02:20,487 --> 00:02:22,901 pebbles, pieces of glass, and bottle caps so far. 55 00:02:22,902 --> 00:02:24,497 Any pattern to where the bodies were found? 56 00:02:24,498 --> 00:02:25,499 No, it seems random, but we-- 57 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:26,911 Fresno PD did say that all of the girls 58 00:02:26,912 --> 00:02:28,427 were taken at opportune moments, 59 00:02:28,428 --> 00:02:30,149 often the only time of day that they were left alone, 60 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:31,745 meaning he stalks them before he kills them. 61 00:02:31,746 --> 00:02:33,764 Does Fresno PD have a suspect? 62 00:02:33,765 --> 00:02:34,770 Yep. 63 00:02:36,927 --> 00:02:37,893 Eight suspects? 64 00:02:37,894 --> 00:02:39,783 Yeah. Because of the lack of forensic evidence, 65 00:02:39,784 --> 00:02:41,242 they haven't been able to narrow down the list. 66 00:02:41,243 --> 00:02:43,308 All right. Grab Cho, get the list of names, 67 00:02:43,309 --> 00:02:44,443 and talk to them one by one. 68 00:02:44,444 --> 00:02:45,397 Okay. 69 00:02:46,566 --> 00:02:47,189 What? 70 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:48,702 Well, you're just going through the motions. 71 00:02:48,703 --> 00:02:50,259 Yeah, it's called police work. 72 00:02:50,260 --> 00:02:52,067 Well, why not try a fresh approach? 73 00:02:52,068 --> 00:02:53,761 Like what, tarot cards? 74 00:02:54,117 --> 00:02:56,235 Go directly to the one that feels right. 75 00:02:56,266 --> 00:02:58,395 These are all viable suspects. 76 00:02:58,396 --> 00:03:00,094 The Fresno PD did their job well. 77 00:03:00,095 --> 00:03:02,532 So you're just gonna do the same job over again? 78 00:03:03,026 --> 00:03:05,933 Take a close look at these guys. Use your intuition. 79 00:03:05,934 --> 00:03:07,355 Which one is guilty? 80 00:03:09,180 --> 00:03:09,959 I don't know. 81 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,891 Oh, come on. You've been a cop for a long time. 82 00:03:11,892 --> 00:03:13,156 What you don't know is how much you know 83 00:03:13,157 --> 00:03:14,379 without knowing you know it. 84 00:03:14,380 --> 00:03:16,424 Take a guess and run with it. 85 00:03:17,304 --> 00:03:18,261 All right. Okay. 86 00:03:18,262 --> 00:03:21,440 - Okay. - All right. It's Okay. 87 00:03:23,603 --> 00:03:24,744 Not him. 88 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,383 Bow tie--no. 89 00:03:32,077 --> 00:03:33,262 Not him. 90 00:03:35,536 --> 00:03:36,649 Or him. 91 00:03:40,951 --> 00:03:42,114 It could be him. 92 00:03:42,516 --> 00:03:43,887 Sneaky eyes. 93 00:03:45,956 --> 00:03:47,982 On the other hand, he's got a college education. 94 00:03:47,983 --> 00:03:49,897 Eh, that profiling blather. Forget about that. 95 00:03:49,898 --> 00:03:51,253 Go with your gut. 96 00:03:55,139 --> 00:03:57,034 There. In seconds, you've whittled it down 97 00:03:57,035 --> 00:03:59,038 to a manageable three suspects. 98 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:01,446 Which one of these guys jumps out at you? 99 00:04:09,785 --> 00:04:10,786 This one? 100 00:04:11,552 --> 00:04:12,848 Well, yeah, but it's just a hunch. 101 00:04:12,849 --> 00:04:13,683 I don't even know why. 102 00:04:13,684 --> 00:04:17,212 Best kind of hunch. As good a place to start as any. 103 00:04:18,998 --> 00:04:20,636 Nicely done, Lisbon. 104 00:04:21,572 --> 00:04:22,995 His name is Richard Haibach. 105 00:04:22,996 --> 00:04:25,391 He's 44 years old, lives alone. 106 00:04:25,458 --> 00:04:26,926 He has an alibi for two of the murders, 107 00:04:26,927 --> 00:04:29,022 but Fresno PD logged complaints against him 108 00:04:29,023 --> 00:04:30,174 for loitering. 109 00:04:30,251 --> 00:04:32,896 Apparently he likes to park outside local high schools, 110 00:04:32,897 --> 00:04:34,371 including one a victim went to. 111 00:04:34,372 --> 00:04:35,409 That's all I got. 112 00:04:35,410 --> 00:04:36,491 All right. 113 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,867 You mind waiting here? I want to talk to him on my own. 114 00:04:40,868 --> 00:04:41,817 Sure. 115 00:05:04,103 --> 00:05:05,411 Richard Haibach? 116 00:05:06,145 --> 00:05:06,782 Who are you? 117 00:05:06,783 --> 00:05:09,024 I'm agent Lisbon with the CBI. 118 00:05:09,106 --> 00:05:10,799 You mind if I ask you a few questions? 119 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,221 Actually, I do. 120 00:05:12,294 --> 00:05:15,026 It shouldn't take long, sir. Can I come in? 121 00:05:15,027 --> 00:05:16,330 Uh, not without a warrant. 122 00:05:16,331 --> 00:05:19,444 Okay. Uh, can you tell me where you were last night? 123 00:05:19,445 --> 00:05:23,323 Home alone all night. Why, was there another murder? 124 00:05:23,324 --> 00:05:25,645 I can't comment on an ongoing investigation, sir. 125 00:05:25,646 --> 00:05:27,881 That means there was one. I'm not dumb. 126 00:05:27,882 --> 00:05:29,799 I have said a hundred times already, 127 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,823 I've got nothing to do with this. 128 00:05:31,824 --> 00:05:32,770 Sir, I didn't-- 129 00:05:32,771 --> 00:05:34,341 you people just won't let go. 130 00:05:34,342 --> 00:05:36,841 I'm getting so tired of you harassing me all the time. 131 00:05:36,842 --> 00:05:39,171 Mr. Haibach, I just have a few questions, 132 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:41,029 and then I'll be on my way. I know the law. 133 00:05:41,030 --> 00:05:42,522 I don't have to answer your damn questions. 134 00:05:42,523 --> 00:05:44,291 I don't have to to tell you anything. 135 00:06:03,754 --> 00:06:04,578 Hey, boss. 136 00:06:04,579 --> 00:06:05,891 Anything? Update? 137 00:06:05,892 --> 00:06:08,452 Yeah, I checked out the other two suspects on the list. 138 00:06:08,514 --> 00:06:09,996 The first has been out of state all week. 139 00:06:09,997 --> 00:06:11,901 The FAA flight list confirms it. 140 00:06:11,902 --> 00:06:13,326 The second was at home with his wife, kids, 141 00:06:13,327 --> 00:06:14,844 and in-laws last night. 142 00:06:14,845 --> 00:06:16,096 Anyone else on the list? 143 00:06:16,097 --> 00:06:18,226 Cho's working those. Half alibied out straightaway. 144 00:06:18,227 --> 00:06:19,623 He's starting on the other half now. 145 00:06:19,624 --> 00:06:21,356 Hold off. I want you two to canvas 146 00:06:21,357 --> 00:06:22,730 the area of the crime scene. 147 00:06:22,731 --> 00:06:24,186 See if you can put Richard Haibach 148 00:06:24,187 --> 00:06:26,100 anywhere near there last night. 149 00:06:27,089 --> 00:06:28,962 So? Is he our guy? 150 00:06:28,976 --> 00:06:30,877 I didn't get a good feeling from him. 151 00:06:36,272 --> 00:06:37,355 So we'll start with an intro, you know, 152 00:06:37,356 --> 00:06:38,742 background on the San Joaquin killer, 153 00:06:38,743 --> 00:06:41,421 and then I'll go right into questions for you two. 154 00:06:43,139 --> 00:06:45,892 Um, wait. Excuse me, gentlemen, one moment, please. 155 00:06:45,893 --> 00:06:48,237 Paul, can you hold the roll, please? 156 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,037 Mr. Jane, how are you? 157 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:55,599 - Hello, Karen. - Okay, listen, I understand, 158 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,965 but I have a new show now. 159 00:06:56,966 --> 00:06:58,874 It's a whole new format, more intimate, 160 00:06:58,875 --> 00:07:01,659 none of that "gotcha" journalism that they made me do. 161 00:07:03,465 --> 00:07:06,846 Oh. What'd they do, hold your shoes hostage? 162 00:07:06,888 --> 00:07:08,089 Very funny. 163 00:07:08,336 --> 00:07:09,917 This week I'm taking an in-depth look 164 00:07:09,918 --> 00:07:10,972 at the San Joaquin killer. 165 00:07:10,973 --> 00:07:13,492 I was hoping you'd join me for the broadcast Thursday night, 166 00:07:13,493 --> 00:07:15,638 offer your insight and personal experience. 167 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:17,939 You don't need me. You have special agent Wainright here. 168 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:19,518 He's a good, honest man. 169 00:07:20,420 --> 00:07:22,460 Yes, but he doesn't pop on camera the way you do. 170 00:07:22,461 --> 00:07:24,549 Oh, Karen, you flatter me. 171 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:26,791 Good to see you. Be well. 172 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:30,173 Let's go. 173 00:07:33,457 --> 00:07:35,794 With me today is special agent Luther Wainright 174 00:07:35,795 --> 00:07:38,781 of the CBI. Welcome. And James Panzer, 175 00:07:38,782 --> 00:07:40,547 an investigative crime reporter and blogger. 176 00:07:40,548 --> 00:07:42,144 Mr. Panzer, we'll start with you. 177 00:07:42,145 --> 00:07:44,374 You've been tracking the San Joaquin killer 178 00:07:44,375 --> 00:07:45,703 for how long now? 179 00:07:45,704 --> 00:07:46,816 Well, it's been, uh, 180 00:07:46,817 --> 00:07:48,336 nearly two years now, Karen. 181 00:07:48,337 --> 00:07:51,049 That's when he took the life of Molly Maier, 182 00:07:51,050 --> 00:07:53,046 a young girl who lived just down the street from me 183 00:07:53,047 --> 00:07:54,415 back in Fresno. 184 00:07:54,416 --> 00:07:56,929 Uh, that was his first victim that we know of. 185 00:07:56,988 --> 00:07:59,029 And pursuing him is pretty much your life now, right? 186 00:07:59,030 --> 00:08:01,819 You created a web site devoted to his capture? 187 00:08:01,820 --> 00:08:03,389 Yes, that's right. Molly's family-- 188 00:08:03,390 --> 00:08:05,411 they're good people, and they deserve justice. 189 00:08:05,412 --> 00:08:07,735 All his victims deserve justice. 190 00:08:07,736 --> 00:08:10,319 I'm simply trying to help achieve that goal. 191 00:08:10,810 --> 00:08:12,588 And s-special-- lieutenant Wainright... 192 00:08:12,589 --> 00:08:13,497 Special agent Wainright. 193 00:08:13,498 --> 00:08:15,239 Special agent-- and special agent Wainright, 194 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,420 how close are you to that goal, 195 00:08:17,421 --> 00:08:19,843 to arresting the San Joaquin killer? 196 00:08:20,155 --> 00:08:22,935 Well, Karen, we are absolutely making progress. 197 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,569 Working on a computer? 198 00:08:31,570 --> 00:08:34,445 What's next, ray guns, teleporters? 199 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:37,976 Hang on. Hey, Cho. 200 00:08:38,003 --> 00:08:39,541 Haibach wasn't home last night. 201 00:08:39,542 --> 00:08:41,097 He was at a bodega close to the crime scene 202 00:08:41,098 --> 00:08:43,481 about an hour before Michelle Karp went missing. 203 00:08:43,614 --> 00:08:45,984 Owner ID'd him, said he was parked in front of his store 204 00:08:45,985 --> 00:08:47,738 for 20 minutes before he went inside. 205 00:08:47,739 --> 00:08:49,978 How close is close to the crime scene? 206 00:08:50,923 --> 00:08:52,341 Hey, how far from the crime scene are we? 207 00:08:52,342 --> 00:08:53,601 Six blocks. 208 00:08:53,905 --> 00:08:54,988 What? 209 00:08:54,989 --> 00:08:56,380 Six blocks. 210 00:08:56,729 --> 00:08:57,686 Six blocks. 211 00:08:57,687 --> 00:08:59,331 All right. I'll work on judge Waters. 212 00:08:59,332 --> 00:09:01,380 The proximity and the fact that Haibach lied 213 00:09:01,381 --> 00:09:04,133 should be enough to get him to sign off on a search warrant. 214 00:09:04,254 --> 00:09:05,221 Okay. 215 00:09:08,432 --> 00:09:09,378 What? 216 00:09:10,335 --> 00:09:11,965 How do you not feel that on your face? 217 00:09:11,981 --> 00:09:13,058 Feel what? 218 00:09:25,096 --> 00:09:26,258 James Panzer? 219 00:09:27,091 --> 00:09:27,764 Patrick Jane. 220 00:09:27,765 --> 00:09:29,346 - Hello. - Thanks for meeting with me. 221 00:09:29,347 --> 00:09:32,060 Oh, anything I can do to help with the investigation. 222 00:09:32,061 --> 00:09:35,190 So, James, what's your deal? 223 00:09:35,444 --> 00:09:37,646 You've devoted your life to the capture of a serial killer. 224 00:09:37,647 --> 00:09:41,142 That's either very saintly or very weird. 225 00:09:41,143 --> 00:09:43,085 Well, that's an odd notion coming from you, 226 00:09:43,086 --> 00:09:45,034 and I know about you, Mr. Jane. 227 00:09:45,035 --> 00:09:47,080 Ah, I thought you might. 228 00:09:47,654 --> 00:09:49,865 Red John did kill my family. 229 00:09:49,866 --> 00:09:51,645 Uh, what is it that gives you cause? 230 00:09:51,646 --> 00:09:53,692 What did Molly Maier mean to you? 231 00:09:53,693 --> 00:09:55,774 Well, I didn't know her. I never spoke to her. 232 00:09:55,775 --> 00:09:58,246 I just saw her at the bus stop a couple of times, 233 00:09:58,247 --> 00:10:00,680 but, uh, it was such a brutal act. 234 00:10:00,681 --> 00:10:02,068 I mean, it was so close to home that 235 00:10:02,069 --> 00:10:04,638 it had a visceral impact on me that I couldn't shake. 236 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:05,918 I don't know why. 237 00:10:06,068 --> 00:10:08,720 I mean, people search for reason or meaning 238 00:10:08,721 --> 00:10:10,855 behind events in their lives, when more often than not, 239 00:10:10,856 --> 00:10:11,975 there is none. 240 00:10:13,089 --> 00:10:15,519 Oh, uh, congratulations, by the way. 241 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,082 Thank you. For what? 242 00:10:18,746 --> 00:10:20,262 You killed Red John. 243 00:10:20,315 --> 00:10:22,826 Oh, that. Yes. 244 00:10:23,066 --> 00:10:24,501 What was that like? 245 00:10:24,752 --> 00:10:28,617 Yeah, uh... not as satisfying as you might think. 246 00:10:28,937 --> 00:10:30,878 You know, something occurred to me while I was reading 247 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:32,475 - your web site. - Yes? 248 00:10:32,476 --> 00:10:34,935 The people that post comments on the site, 249 00:10:34,936 --> 00:10:36,653 uh, have you considered that one of them might be 250 00:10:36,654 --> 00:10:38,069 the San Joaquin killer? 251 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:41,731 Well, it's a possibility, albeit a rather obvious one. 252 00:10:41,732 --> 00:10:43,277 You see, the San Joaquin killer 253 00:10:43,278 --> 00:10:45,553 is not like other serial killers. 254 00:10:45,554 --> 00:10:47,865 He doesn't kill for the same reasons. 255 00:10:47,866 --> 00:10:51,219 He commits murder solely for the immediate pleasure 256 00:10:51,220 --> 00:10:53,059 that he takes in the act. 257 00:10:53,060 --> 00:10:55,500 The media, other people's reactions... 258 00:10:55,501 --> 00:10:57,288 that's irrelevant to him. 259 00:10:57,289 --> 00:10:58,148 A purist. 260 00:10:58,149 --> 00:11:02,508 Exactly. Consider the way he murders his victims. 261 00:11:02,509 --> 00:11:06,243 He slits their throats slowly, carefully, 262 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:09,406 so he can watch the life drain out of their eyes. 263 00:11:11,406 --> 00:11:13,886 Uh, I apologize if I'm making you uncomfortable. 264 00:11:13,887 --> 00:11:16,130 Oh, no. It's in my wheelhouse. 265 00:11:16,260 --> 00:11:18,946 This killer has come to consume me. 266 00:11:20,695 --> 00:11:21,720 Mr. Panzer, how would you feel 267 00:11:21,721 --> 00:11:24,151 about helping me with this investigation? 268 00:11:24,152 --> 00:11:26,536 Well, there's nothing I would like more. 269 00:11:26,537 --> 00:11:27,740 Excellent. 270 00:11:31,233 --> 00:11:33,957 Mr. Haibach, CBI. Open up. 271 00:11:34,974 --> 00:11:37,093 I told you, I'm through answering your questions. 272 00:11:37,094 --> 00:11:38,859 I'm through being harassed. 273 00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:40,834 I have rights, like anybody else, right? 274 00:11:40,835 --> 00:11:41,538 I don't want to have 275 00:11:41,539 --> 00:11:43,686 - to talk to you! - This is a warrant to search the premises. 276 00:11:43,687 --> 00:11:45,824 Could you step aside, please? 277 00:11:52,468 --> 00:11:53,431 You clear the back. 278 00:11:53,432 --> 00:11:54,596 I'll wait here. 279 00:12:40,610 --> 00:12:42,672 Abuse of power, that's what this is. 280 00:13:21,969 --> 00:13:23,458 Step aside. 281 00:13:25,651 --> 00:13:28,066 I said, step aside! 282 00:13:39,574 --> 00:13:40,952 Lisbon! 283 00:13:50,211 --> 00:13:52,242 Did you ID any of the women in the photos yet? 284 00:13:52,243 --> 00:13:54,355 Some, but so far we haven't been able to match any 285 00:13:54,356 --> 00:13:55,985 to the San Joaquin killer's victims. 286 00:13:55,986 --> 00:13:58,477 Haibach would have burned them first. He's not stupid. 287 00:13:58,478 --> 00:14:00,560 Keep on looking. His lawyer's on his way. 288 00:14:08,388 --> 00:14:10,371 He won't talk without his lawyer. 289 00:14:10,372 --> 00:14:13,572 He's been around the block a few times with Fresno PD. 290 00:14:13,871 --> 00:14:15,056 Hmm. 291 00:14:15,124 --> 00:14:16,477 "Hmm" what? 292 00:14:16,478 --> 00:14:18,557 He's a meticulous, maladjusted loner 293 00:14:18,558 --> 00:14:22,294 who's into stalking young women, and he has no alibi. 294 00:14:22,295 --> 00:14:24,054 Yeah, he certainly looks the part. 295 00:14:24,058 --> 00:14:27,566 I like him for this. I like him a lot. 296 00:14:35,494 --> 00:14:36,674 Hello? 297 00:14:36,675 --> 00:14:38,147 Hi. It's Patrick Jane. 298 00:14:38,276 --> 00:14:40,385 What's your take on Richard Haibach? 299 00:14:40,607 --> 00:14:42,218 Oh, he's, uh, one of the suspects 300 00:14:42,219 --> 00:14:44,764 that the Fresno PD identified. 301 00:14:44,765 --> 00:14:47,139 Antisocial, underachiever... 302 00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:49,302 he's viable, but he doesn't have the intelligence 303 00:14:49,303 --> 00:14:51,328 I'd be looking for in our man. 304 00:14:51,329 --> 00:14:54,646 Thanks. I don't disagree. 305 00:14:55,907 --> 00:14:57,904 I-it's said that the truest motive for a serial killer 306 00:14:57,905 --> 00:14:59,870 often lies with the first victim. 307 00:14:59,871 --> 00:15:00,914 Molly Maier. 308 00:15:00,915 --> 00:15:01,879 Yeah, I-I was wondering 309 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,980 if you could introduce me to her family. 310 00:15:03,981 --> 00:15:06,601 Yeah, I'd be happy to. Give me an hour or so. 311 00:15:06,602 --> 00:15:08,110 Great. Thanks. And then maybe we can go over 312 00:15:08,111 --> 00:15:09,734 some of your research on the case? 313 00:15:09,735 --> 00:15:10,728 Yeah, sure. 314 00:15:10,729 --> 00:15:13,711 You could come by my apartment after we visit the Maiers. 315 00:15:13,758 --> 00:15:15,019 Thanks. 316 00:15:15,323 --> 00:15:16,616 Okay. 317 00:15:32,647 --> 00:15:35,448 Molly had just turned 16 when she was killed. 318 00:15:35,449 --> 00:15:37,566 She didn't even have her driver's license. 319 00:15:37,567 --> 00:15:40,269 She was walking home from her girlfriend's house, 320 00:15:40,270 --> 00:15:41,845 never made it home. 321 00:15:44,175 --> 00:15:46,970 We've been following the investigation. 322 00:15:46,991 --> 00:15:50,312 Jim's been good enough to keep us up-to-date with the others. 323 00:15:50,378 --> 00:15:51,902 All those girls. 324 00:15:52,414 --> 00:15:53,589 I can't believe that nobody's been able 325 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:55,381 to catch up with this monster. 326 00:15:55,382 --> 00:15:57,851 We will, soon. 327 00:15:59,482 --> 00:16:00,861 I don't know. 328 00:16:03,267 --> 00:16:04,817 I don't know. 329 00:16:05,431 --> 00:16:06,452 Now don't lose hope. 330 00:16:06,453 --> 00:16:09,170 Molly wouldn't want that, now, would she? 331 00:16:11,162 --> 00:16:12,869 No, she wouldn't. 332 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,876 This killer will be brought to justice. You have my word. 333 00:16:21,134 --> 00:16:22,789 You think I could take a look at Molly's bedroom? 334 00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:24,887 No. I don't want... 335 00:16:28,893 --> 00:16:30,182 Of course. 336 00:16:31,318 --> 00:16:34,250 Tom, will you show him upstairs? 337 00:16:36,753 --> 00:16:38,175 Thank you. 338 00:16:38,434 --> 00:16:40,105 It's okay. 339 00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:50,649 Sorry about the mess. 340 00:16:50,816 --> 00:16:52,896 We really should get around to cleaning it up. 341 00:16:53,605 --> 00:16:56,079 Truth is, neither of us has the heart for it. 342 00:17:08,269 --> 00:17:10,169 "Crap recital practice". 343 00:17:18,133 --> 00:17:20,328 D-do you mind, uh... 344 00:17:20,329 --> 00:17:22,641 Oh, uh, yeah, sure. 345 00:17:22,642 --> 00:17:23,837 Thank you. 346 00:17:24,347 --> 00:17:25,894 She loved to dance. 347 00:17:27,366 --> 00:17:30,721 That was, uh... her thing. 348 00:17:39,378 --> 00:17:41,107 Worked really hard at it. 349 00:17:47,931 --> 00:17:51,252 ♪ I see trees of green ♪ 350 00:17:52,396 --> 00:17:55,199 ♪ Red roses, too ♪ 351 00:17:55,797 --> 00:17:58,571 ♪ I see them bloom ♪ 352 00:17:58,984 --> 00:18:01,104 ♪ For me and you ♪ 353 00:18:01,408 --> 00:18:04,313 ♪ And I think to myself ♪ 354 00:18:06,568 --> 00:18:08,548 ♪ What a wonderful world ♪ 355 00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:10,815 Once she decided she wanted to do something, 356 00:18:10,865 --> 00:18:12,469 there was no stopping her. 357 00:18:13,984 --> 00:18:16,439 Single-minded, determined. 358 00:18:18,103 --> 00:18:19,116 Just like her mother. 359 00:18:19,117 --> 00:18:21,410 ♪And clouds of white ♪ 360 00:18:22,364 --> 00:18:24,046 ♪ The bright blessed day ♪ 361 00:18:24,047 --> 00:18:26,885 Must have heard this song a hundred times. 362 00:18:28,685 --> 00:18:31,189 ♪And I think to myself ♪ 363 00:18:33,596 --> 00:18:37,553 ♪ What a wonderful world ♪ 364 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:44,272 ♪ The colors of the rainbow ♪ 365 00:18:44,994 --> 00:18:47,865 ♪ So pretty in the sky ♪ 366 00:18:48,275 --> 00:18:51,264 ♪ Are also on the faces ♪ 367 00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:54,165 ♪ Of people going by ♪ 368 00:18:56,115 --> 00:18:56,945 Counselor, 369 00:18:56,946 --> 00:18:59,328 we found dozens of pictures of young women 370 00:18:59,329 --> 00:19:00,539 in your client's house. 371 00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:02,577 That's your justification for holding him for murder? 372 00:19:02,578 --> 00:19:04,823 That he took pictures? He's a photographer. 373 00:19:04,824 --> 00:19:08,417 Sexually suggestive photographs taken without consent. 374 00:19:08,418 --> 00:19:11,347 Taken in public without any complaints. 375 00:19:11,788 --> 00:19:13,792 That's not even a misdemeanor. That's a hobby. 376 00:19:13,793 --> 00:19:15,769 He lied about his whereabouts the night of the murder. 377 00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:17,320 I was out taking photos. 378 00:19:17,321 --> 00:19:22,013 Shh. Not exactly a capital offense. 379 00:19:22,014 --> 00:19:24,660 Meanwhile, my client has had to endure 380 00:19:24,661 --> 00:19:27,307 continued police harassment for a crime he didn't commit. 381 00:19:27,308 --> 00:19:28,804 I did not kill those girls! 382 00:19:28,805 --> 00:19:30,924 Richard, do not say another word. 383 00:19:31,312 --> 00:19:34,698 Agent Lisbon, either release him now, 384 00:19:34,699 --> 00:19:38,506 or I'm bringing a harassment lawsuit against you and the CBI 385 00:19:38,507 --> 00:19:40,353 first thing tomorrow morning. 386 00:19:43,816 --> 00:19:46,539 Mr. Haibach, you're free to go. 387 00:19:47,776 --> 00:19:48,977 Thank you. 388 00:20:04,262 --> 00:20:07,334 My apartment's upstairs. Pardon the mess. 389 00:20:14,511 --> 00:20:15,460 Wow. 390 00:20:18,523 --> 00:20:21,502 Newspaper articles, background on the victims, 391 00:20:21,503 --> 00:20:24,711 interviews with the victims' families--enjoy. 392 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,376 Hard to know where to start. 393 00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:28,610 Uh, water? Soda? Coffee? 394 00:20:28,611 --> 00:20:30,705 Water would be great. Can I just dig in? 395 00:20:30,706 --> 00:20:31,415 Oh, be my guest. 396 00:20:31,416 --> 00:20:32,391 Thank you. 397 00:20:40,867 --> 00:20:42,342 Crime scene... 398 00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:13,971 Hope you don't mind that. Music helps me think. 399 00:21:14,219 --> 00:21:17,113 Oh, not at all. I'll put the water over here. 400 00:21:32,174 --> 00:21:34,963 The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe 401 00:21:34,964 --> 00:21:36,892 that your analysis of the San Joaquin killer 402 00:21:36,893 --> 00:21:38,074 may be wrong. 403 00:21:39,356 --> 00:21:40,319 How so? 404 00:21:40,349 --> 00:21:41,879 Well, you said he's a purist, 405 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,160 a man who kills simply for the pleasure of it. 406 00:21:45,377 --> 00:21:49,552 I'm starting to think he's a deeply damaged man 407 00:21:49,553 --> 00:21:51,908 who kills out of a need for attention. 408 00:21:54,769 --> 00:21:56,741 Neglected as a child, I'd guess. 409 00:21:58,579 --> 00:21:59,811 What do you think, Jim? 410 00:22:00,776 --> 00:22:02,863 Well, I think you couldn't be more wrong. 411 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:07,232 Look, I know the San Joaquin killer 412 00:22:07,233 --> 00:22:09,500 better than anyone, as you yourself have said. 413 00:22:09,564 --> 00:22:12,478 I've spent over a year inhabiting his mind. 414 00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:15,314 This man is brilliant. 415 00:22:16,028 --> 00:22:18,881 He's a genius who's run circles around the police. 416 00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:21,895 He's killed at will without repercussion. 417 00:22:24,975 --> 00:22:28,247 This is a man to be feared, not pitied. 418 00:22:30,971 --> 00:22:31,898 Excuse me. 419 00:22:35,915 --> 00:22:36,836 Hello? 420 00:22:37,118 --> 00:22:40,369 Jane? SFPD found another body. 421 00:22:41,346 --> 00:22:43,426 Looks like the San Joaquin killer. 422 00:22:43,917 --> 00:22:44,864 Okay. 423 00:22:48,234 --> 00:22:49,523 It's him, isn't it? 424 00:22:51,207 --> 00:22:52,351 He's killed again. 425 00:22:58,609 --> 00:23:02,017 Name's Jill Reisert, 18. It's the San Joaquin killer. 426 00:23:02,180 --> 00:23:04,319 Hands, feet bound with the same wire, 427 00:23:04,411 --> 00:23:05,458 tighed in the same knot. 428 00:23:05,459 --> 00:23:07,476 Killed elsewhere, dumped randomly. 429 00:23:07,999 --> 00:23:09,265 Pebbles on the eyes? 430 00:23:09,683 --> 00:23:11,591 No. No eyes. 431 00:23:22,543 --> 00:23:24,491 Only days after the last murder. 432 00:23:25,344 --> 00:23:27,129 He has a taste for attention now. 433 00:23:28,083 --> 00:23:30,038 Bigger city, bigger stage, bigger violence. 434 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:32,254 He's getting more and more excited by it all. 435 00:23:32,345 --> 00:23:33,788 What time was she killed? 436 00:23:33,789 --> 00:23:34,643 Based on the amount of rigor, 437 00:23:34,644 --> 00:23:36,285 coroner thinks it was sometime this morning. 438 00:23:36,286 --> 00:23:38,465 Haibach was free by then. He could have done it. 439 00:23:38,466 --> 00:23:41,107 No. I know who did this-- 440 00:23:41,593 --> 00:23:42,398 James Panzer. 441 00:23:42,399 --> 00:23:45,569 Panzer? The reporter covering the case? 442 00:23:45,570 --> 00:23:47,741 The Fresno PD would have checked him out. 443 00:23:47,853 --> 00:23:48,422 They did. 444 00:23:48,423 --> 00:23:51,682 He had an alibi for two of the murders, both faked somehow. 445 00:23:51,683 --> 00:23:53,509 Look into them if you don't believe me, or don't. 446 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:55,899 I don't care. I know it was him. 447 00:23:56,052 --> 00:23:56,963 Evidence. 448 00:23:57,117 --> 00:23:58,202 That's the problem. 449 00:23:58,203 --> 00:24:00,476 We don't have anything linking him to the crime. 450 00:24:00,627 --> 00:24:02,545 FBI's pushing to take over this case. 451 00:24:02,752 --> 00:24:04,784 I'm doing everything I can to hold them off, but honestly, 452 00:24:04,785 --> 00:24:07,391 I don't have the pull. We need an arrest. 453 00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:08,827 I'll get him. I just need time. 454 00:24:08,828 --> 00:24:11,032 - Time we don't have. - I said I'll get him. 455 00:24:11,438 --> 00:24:13,776 Okay. How long do you need? 456 00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:15,775 I'll have him in custody by the morning. 457 00:24:19,281 --> 00:24:21,479 Give you till the morning. Good luck. 458 00:24:23,929 --> 00:24:26,460 Panzer knows everything about this case. 459 00:24:26,686 --> 00:24:29,841 We've got no forensic evidence and no eyewitnesses. 460 00:24:30,020 --> 00:24:31,534 How do you propose we catch him? 461 00:24:31,535 --> 00:24:33,438 We take away what he wants most. 462 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:45,975 Mr. Jane. 463 00:24:49,163 --> 00:24:50,143 Any news? 464 00:24:50,394 --> 00:24:52,361 Uh, n-not now, Karen. 465 00:24:52,468 --> 00:24:54,499 Please, give us a morsel, anything. 466 00:25:03,214 --> 00:25:04,522 Okay. We have a suspect. 467 00:25:04,523 --> 00:25:06,397 We'll be making an arrest sometime tonight. 468 00:25:06,398 --> 00:25:08,742 We'll announce it to the press first thing tomorrow morning. 469 00:25:08,743 --> 00:25:09,631 Who is it? 470 00:25:09,672 --> 00:25:11,204 You'll find out tomorrow. 471 00:25:11,223 --> 00:25:12,362 Come on, Patrick. I need more. 472 00:25:12,363 --> 00:25:14,605 Just tell me if it's one of the previous suspects. 473 00:25:17,125 --> 00:25:18,369 It is, isn't it? 474 00:25:20,337 --> 00:25:21,773 You didn't hear it from me. 475 00:25:22,268 --> 00:25:23,045 You can trust me. 476 00:25:23,046 --> 00:25:25,536 No, I mean it, Karen. You can't go public with this today. 477 00:25:25,537 --> 00:25:26,419 I'm only telling you 478 00:25:26,420 --> 00:25:28,587 so you're not caught off guard tomorrow morning. 479 00:25:28,725 --> 00:25:31,803 Thank you. Wait. Patrick. 480 00:25:32,894 --> 00:25:33,670 The offer's still open 481 00:25:33,671 --> 00:25:35,367 if you want to come on my show tomorrow night. 482 00:25:35,368 --> 00:25:38,067 Uh, yeah, thank you, but no, thanks. 483 00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:39,957 Just think about it. That's all I ask. 484 00:25:39,958 --> 00:25:40,995 Sure. 485 00:25:41,584 --> 00:25:43,434 Dan. Dan. 486 00:25:45,124 --> 00:25:47,441 Call the office and clear the 7:00 open. 487 00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:49,587 I've got a breaking story. 488 00:25:50,566 --> 00:25:52,034 All right. What's going on? 489 00:25:52,035 --> 00:25:54,276 Panzer committed these murders out of hubris. 490 00:25:54,277 --> 00:25:56,515 He wants to create a mythology around the San Joaquin killer. 491 00:25:56,516 --> 00:25:58,650 That's why he started the web site. 492 00:25:58,863 --> 00:25:59,955 He doesn't just want to kill. 493 00:25:59,956 --> 00:26:01,730 He wants people to be in awe of him. 494 00:26:01,731 --> 00:26:02,611 Yes? 495 00:26:02,612 --> 00:26:04,191 So we arrest someone else for the murders, 496 00:26:04,192 --> 00:26:06,093 someone pathetic and unworthy, 497 00:26:06,094 --> 00:26:09,460 thus destroying his mythology with one fatal blow. 498 00:26:09,461 --> 00:26:12,110 Panzer will go out and kill again just to prove us wrong, 499 00:26:12,111 --> 00:26:14,051 and we will be there waiting for him. 500 00:26:14,195 --> 00:26:15,620 Arrest somebody else? 501 00:26:17,244 --> 00:26:18,434 Ohh. 502 00:26:19,517 --> 00:26:20,570 Are you sure, boss? 503 00:26:21,644 --> 00:26:22,830 I got this. 504 00:26:24,064 --> 00:26:26,389 - Come on. You people just don't quit-- - Mr. Haibach. 505 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:28,056 You're under arrest. 506 00:26:28,071 --> 00:26:28,980 For what? 507 00:26:29,479 --> 00:26:30,766 We'll think of something. 508 00:26:33,412 --> 00:26:34,237 Hello? 509 00:26:34,337 --> 00:26:37,240 Mr. Panzer, it's Patrick. I have some information. 510 00:26:42,708 --> 00:26:43,641 We got him. 511 00:26:44,012 --> 00:26:46,429 San Joaquin killer. Made an arrest. 512 00:26:46,448 --> 00:26:48,198 Yeah, I heard something about it on the news, 513 00:26:48,199 --> 00:26:49,877 but I didn't believe it. Who is it? 514 00:26:49,878 --> 00:26:51,165 Richard Haibach. 515 00:26:51,199 --> 00:26:52,686 Well, I thought he had an alibi. 516 00:26:52,687 --> 00:26:54,742 Faked. Lied about the whole thing, 517 00:26:54,743 --> 00:26:56,453 which is not too difficult to pull off 518 00:26:56,454 --> 00:26:57,814 if you know what you're doing. 519 00:26:57,815 --> 00:26:59,140 And you're certain that it's him? 520 00:26:59,141 --> 00:27:01,424 We found pictures of young women in his home. 521 00:27:01,813 --> 00:27:03,399 Two of the victims were amongst them. 522 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,098 Well, that doesn't prove he's the killer. 523 00:27:05,099 --> 00:27:08,365 We found something else. I mean, I can't comment on specifics, 524 00:27:08,366 --> 00:27:11,286 but the AG's office is confident that it, 525 00:27:11,287 --> 00:27:13,814 along with Haibach's proximity to the Karp murder 526 00:27:13,815 --> 00:27:17,103 and the photos will be enough for a conviction. 527 00:27:17,824 --> 00:27:19,927 We'll announce it to the press tomorrow morning. 528 00:27:20,377 --> 00:27:21,623 I wanted you to know first, 529 00:27:21,624 --> 00:27:24,540 given your... personal attachment to the case. 530 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,306 And I just wanted to stop by 531 00:27:27,307 --> 00:27:29,063 and say thanks for your help, Jim. 532 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:31,029 Oh, yes, of course. 533 00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:33,672 Look, can I get you a drink or something? 534 00:27:33,673 --> 00:27:37,309 No, thanks. Do you mind if I use your restroom? 535 00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:38,796 Oh, sure, sure. Right, right over there. 536 00:27:38,797 --> 00:27:40,600 - End of the hall here? - Yes. 537 00:28:21,697 --> 00:28:24,402 You sure you don't want a drink or a snack? 538 00:28:26,334 --> 00:28:28,944 Oh, no. I-I have to get going. 539 00:28:32,313 --> 00:28:34,603 You know, i-it's funny, isn't it? 540 00:28:34,604 --> 00:28:35,433 What's that? 541 00:28:36,038 --> 00:28:38,294 We were both wrong about the San Joaquin killer. 542 00:28:39,089 --> 00:28:42,276 He wasn't a purist, nor was he a man desperate for attention. 543 00:28:42,277 --> 00:28:44,288 He was just a sick, sexually deranged man 544 00:28:44,289 --> 00:28:46,190 that likes to take pictures of little girls. 545 00:28:47,608 --> 00:28:50,877 Simple-minded pervert. Good night. 546 00:29:16,035 --> 00:29:17,104 Come on. 547 00:29:23,235 --> 00:29:24,241 There he is. 548 00:29:43,118 --> 00:29:44,077 Wait. 549 00:30:14,131 --> 00:30:15,928 I'll call SFPD for backup. 550 00:30:22,464 --> 00:30:23,245 Jane! 551 00:30:41,538 --> 00:30:43,073 Ladies first. 552 00:30:56,995 --> 00:30:59,140 Uhh... Lisbon? 553 00:31:25,911 --> 00:31:27,563 Couldn't stay away, could you? 554 00:31:29,202 --> 00:31:31,808 Put your hands in the air. Step back from the table. 555 00:31:31,809 --> 00:31:32,911 What are you doing here? 556 00:31:33,023 --> 00:31:35,429 I said put your hands in the air now! 557 00:31:35,639 --> 00:31:37,878 Look, you don't understand. I jus-- 558 00:31:41,046 --> 00:31:42,181 What are you doing here? 559 00:31:44,271 --> 00:31:45,317 Turn the camera off. 560 00:31:45,728 --> 00:31:47,403 Karen called me about an hour ago. 561 00:31:47,404 --> 00:31:50,197 She gave me this address. She asked me to meet her here. 562 00:31:50,553 --> 00:31:53,174 I have never been here before in my life. 563 00:31:55,201 --> 00:31:57,307 I said turn the camera off. 564 00:31:57,308 --> 00:31:58,360 Turn it off. 565 00:32:01,282 --> 00:32:02,484 You called him? 566 00:32:02,724 --> 00:32:05,110 He's the expert. I wanted him to authenticate 567 00:32:05,111 --> 00:32:06,438 that this was, in fact, the kill room 568 00:32:06,439 --> 00:32:08,169 used by the San Joaquin killer. 569 00:32:08,472 --> 00:32:09,761 How did you know about this place? 570 00:32:09,762 --> 00:32:13,030 She was contacted by him, by the San Joaquin killer. 571 00:32:13,541 --> 00:32:16,245 Yes. Just after my 7:00 broadcast, 572 00:32:16,246 --> 00:32:18,349 during which I announced the CBI had someone in custody. 573 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:20,702 Someone texted me from a blocked number, 574 00:32:20,703 --> 00:32:23,090 said he was the SJK and then gave me this address. 575 00:32:23,558 --> 00:32:24,718 All right. Out. 576 00:32:24,964 --> 00:32:27,830 This is officially a CBI crime scene. Let's go! 577 00:32:55,493 --> 00:32:57,968 I tried to tell you you had the wrong man. 578 00:32:58,303 --> 00:32:59,476 You set this up. 579 00:33:00,534 --> 00:33:02,394 You knew we were following you. 580 00:33:02,473 --> 00:33:04,068 I don't know what you're talking about, 581 00:33:04,069 --> 00:33:06,574 but I have to admit, I'm very hurt by all this. 582 00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:09,008 I mean, here I thought you were seeking my help, 583 00:33:09,009 --> 00:33:10,332 that we were kindred spirits. 584 00:33:11,181 --> 00:33:13,485 Where all along you were just lying to me. 585 00:33:13,564 --> 00:33:14,470 You were using me. 586 00:33:15,908 --> 00:33:17,272 That kind of duplicity... 587 00:33:18,243 --> 00:33:20,779 leading a double life, I don't know how you do that. 588 00:33:42,552 --> 00:33:44,127 Agent Lisbon, Jane, 589 00:33:44,830 --> 00:33:47,142 I'd like you to meet FBI special agent Susan Darcy. 590 00:33:48,748 --> 00:33:49,664 As of this morning, 591 00:33:49,665 --> 00:33:52,025 she and her team will be taking over the investigation. 592 00:33:52,026 --> 00:33:53,872 - Sir-- - No, it's okay. It's fine. 593 00:33:53,873 --> 00:33:56,264 The man you want is James Panzer. 594 00:33:58,341 --> 00:34:00,282 What sort of evidence do you have on Panzer? 595 00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:02,327 - Well, nothing-- - Well, Nothing concrete. 596 00:34:02,328 --> 00:34:04,404 Not, your-your kind of evidence, anyhow. 597 00:34:06,299 --> 00:34:07,958 How about your kind of evidence? 598 00:34:09,301 --> 00:34:11,586 His medicine cabinet is too neat. 599 00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:16,896 That's an interesting perspective. 600 00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:18,611 I'll absorb the case files 601 00:34:18,612 --> 00:34:20,526 and if Panzer looks like a good unsub for us, 602 00:34:20,527 --> 00:34:23,190 you can be rest assured that my team and I will be on him. 603 00:34:24,242 --> 00:34:25,291 No, you won't. 604 00:34:26,751 --> 00:34:27,302 Jane? 605 00:34:27,303 --> 00:34:29,335 While she's absorbing the case files, 606 00:34:29,336 --> 00:34:30,647 Panzer will kill again. 607 00:34:30,648 --> 00:34:32,003 You're not being constructive right now. 608 00:34:32,004 --> 00:34:32,649 I'm just being honest. 609 00:34:32,650 --> 00:34:33,527 It's okay. 610 00:34:35,189 --> 00:34:36,250 I understand you're upset. 611 00:34:36,251 --> 00:34:38,049 You have every reason to be upset. 612 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:40,894 I would be, too, if someone was taking over my case. 613 00:34:41,438 --> 00:34:43,999 If he does kill again, it will be my responsibility, 614 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,539 and I will answer for it. 615 00:34:45,627 --> 00:34:47,322 But let me be very clear... 616 00:34:48,047 --> 00:34:51,741 this investigation is now under the jurisdiction of the FBI. 617 00:34:52,036 --> 00:34:53,326 It's all yours. 618 00:34:58,766 --> 00:35:01,189 I'm gonna need those case files as soon as possible, please. 619 00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:02,287 Yeah. 620 00:35:05,767 --> 00:35:06,516 Jane. 621 00:35:07,836 --> 00:35:09,589 Jane, you heard Wainright. 622 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,121 Our hands are tied. 623 00:35:11,358 --> 00:35:12,246 Yeah. 624 00:35:16,163 --> 00:35:18,111 Yeah. Maybe yours are. 625 00:35:27,409 --> 00:35:30,678 Well, Karen, no disrespect to the CBI or the FBI, 626 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,514 but it's not a good sign when a case as complex 627 00:35:33,515 --> 00:35:34,669 and important as this one 628 00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:36,743 is shuttled from agency to agency. 629 00:35:36,744 --> 00:35:40,680 There's... there's a lack of communication and consistency, 630 00:35:40,681 --> 00:35:43,767 there's a, there's a pointless replication of effort. 631 00:35:43,768 --> 00:35:45,240 I mean, you see the same problems 632 00:35:45,241 --> 00:35:47,199 in the search for the Zodiac killer. 633 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,607 Uh, hold that thought, James. 634 00:35:48,732 --> 00:35:50,873 We'll be right back after a quick break, 635 00:35:50,874 --> 00:35:54,638 with our guest, James Panzer, and a surprise special guest, 636 00:35:54,704 --> 00:35:56,953 CBI consultant Patrick Jane. 637 00:35:57,644 --> 00:35:59,126 And... clear. 638 00:35:59,691 --> 00:36:00,952 I hope you don't mind. 639 00:36:01,208 --> 00:36:02,169 But-- 640 00:36:02,243 --> 00:36:03,257 Patrick. 641 00:36:03,619 --> 00:36:05,455 Thank you so much for coming, really. 642 00:36:07,867 --> 00:36:08,573 Hi. 643 00:36:09,939 --> 00:36:11,329 We're getting Mr. Jane mic-ed, yeah? 644 00:36:11,376 --> 00:36:12,318 Yes, we are. 645 00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:16,803 In five, 646 00:36:17,564 --> 00:36:19,358 four, three, two... 647 00:36:21,467 --> 00:36:24,443 Joining us now on this SJK special edition 648 00:36:24,444 --> 00:36:27,333 is Patrick Jane, a consultant with the CBI, 649 00:36:27,334 --> 00:36:30,515 who has his own amazing story of terrible tragedy 650 00:36:30,516 --> 00:36:33,086 and cold revenge. Patrick, thank you for joining us. 651 00:36:33,087 --> 00:36:34,920 Oh, it's my pleasure, Karen. James. 652 00:36:34,921 --> 00:36:37,474 In a nutshell, why has the San Joaquin killer 653 00:36:37,475 --> 00:36:39,770 proven so difficult to apprehend? 654 00:36:39,828 --> 00:36:41,216 Well, James is exactly right. 655 00:36:41,217 --> 00:36:43,142 There are too many cooks in the kitchen. 656 00:36:43,143 --> 00:36:44,978 But I... I would also like to add 657 00:36:44,979 --> 00:36:47,248 that the San Joaquin killer is very likely someone 658 00:36:47,249 --> 00:36:50,362 that has attached themselves to the investigation somehow-- 659 00:36:50,363 --> 00:36:53,391 someone, uh, hiding in plain sight. 660 00:36:53,621 --> 00:36:54,900 That's interesting. Is there anyone 661 00:36:54,901 --> 00:36:56,745 in particular that you're thinking of? 662 00:36:56,921 --> 00:36:58,345 We have our suspicions. 663 00:36:58,346 --> 00:36:59,676 Well, that sounds promising. 664 00:36:59,677 --> 00:37:02,202 Can we expect an arrest anytime soon? 665 00:37:02,226 --> 00:37:03,172 Very likely. 666 00:37:03,249 --> 00:37:05,225 - Uh, Karen if I may ask Jane a question... - Actually, cou-- 667 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,353 - I would-- - Could you hold that thought, James? 668 00:37:07,354 --> 00:37:10,471 - Well, I-- - Can you-can you elaborate on that, Patrick? 669 00:37:10,472 --> 00:37:11,233 Uh, what makes you think 670 00:37:11,234 --> 00:37:13,513 that the San Joaquin killer will be caught soon? 671 00:37:13,514 --> 00:37:16,312 Well, he's become wrapped up in his own mythology. 672 00:37:16,452 --> 00:37:19,741 Uh, he's drank his own kool-aid, so to speak. 673 00:37:20,018 --> 00:37:22,886 Well, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that. 674 00:37:22,887 --> 00:37:24,828 You're right, James, I have no evidence, 675 00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:27,291 uh, just a good sense of the man. 676 00:37:27,364 --> 00:37:29,775 The San Joaquin killer is a sad little person 677 00:37:29,776 --> 00:37:33,078 living in a fantasy world of power and prestige. 678 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:36,206 It's only a matter of time before he makes a mistake. 679 00:37:37,647 --> 00:37:38,422 Jim? 680 00:37:38,423 --> 00:37:41,183 Well, I would like to say I believe what Mr. Jane is saying, 681 00:37:41,184 --> 00:37:43,021 but I can't disagree more. 682 00:37:43,818 --> 00:37:47,115 I mean, this man is smart, he is rational, 683 00:37:47,116 --> 00:37:48,656 - he's brilliant, in fact. - Hmm. 684 00:37:49,514 --> 00:37:52,252 I-I respect your skills as a journalist 685 00:37:52,253 --> 00:37:54,767 and as a blogger, James, but I do this for a living, 686 00:37:54,768 --> 00:37:57,559 and I don't think you know or understand this man at all. 687 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,697 Well, that's absurd! I mean, that's just... 688 00:38:00,844 --> 00:38:04,708 That's... your opinion, and I respect that. 689 00:38:05,714 --> 00:38:06,599 But, Patrick, I mean, 690 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,781 I think you really should consider the plain facts. 691 00:38:08,782 --> 00:38:10,235 James, hold that thought. 692 00:38:10,236 --> 00:38:11,548 Let-- if I could just respond here for a moment. I-- 693 00:38:11,549 --> 00:38:13,962 And you'll have that chance when we come back 694 00:38:13,963 --> 00:38:16,821 with more on the search for the San Joaquin killer. 695 00:38:17,531 --> 00:38:19,690 We're clear. 30 seconds, everyone. 696 00:38:19,691 --> 00:38:21,260 Great stuff, guys. 697 00:38:35,787 --> 00:38:37,180 I know what you're doing. 698 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,902 You think I'm stupid? 699 00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:42,346 Yes. 700 00:38:43,558 --> 00:38:45,374 You're not going to ruin this for me. 701 00:38:48,203 --> 00:38:50,145 When we come back, Jim, you're up. 702 00:38:50,917 --> 00:38:52,092 Ten seconds. 703 00:38:55,181 --> 00:38:56,916 In five, four, 704 00:38:57,152 --> 00:38:58,562 three, two... 705 00:38:58,932 --> 00:39:00,428 James Panzer may be the man 706 00:39:00,429 --> 00:39:02,840 who knows the San Joaquin killer best. 707 00:39:03,001 --> 00:39:05,898 Tell us, Jim, will he kill again? 708 00:39:05,938 --> 00:39:07,937 Well, Karen, I hate to say this, 709 00:39:07,938 --> 00:39:11,189 but, yes, I-I think this man will strike again, 710 00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:14,563 and I think that there will be many, many more victims. 711 00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:16,494 A dark prediction. 712 00:39:16,737 --> 00:39:18,328 Uh, what makes you think that? 713 00:39:18,663 --> 00:39:22,512 Well, he is growing more bold and more confident every day... 714 00:39:22,513 --> 00:39:25,164 more sure of his abilities and his greatness. 715 00:39:25,165 --> 00:39:26,240 And why shouldn't he be? 716 00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:29,060 He's been able to evade detection so easily, 717 00:39:29,061 --> 00:39:31,120 he is too good to be caught. 718 00:39:33,685 --> 00:39:34,775 Patrick, thoughts? 719 00:39:41,277 --> 00:39:42,191 Patrick? 720 00:39:44,083 --> 00:39:46,901 It's funny. Red John thought exactly the same thing. 721 00:39:47,803 --> 00:39:50,329 Somehow I don't think the San Joaquin killer 722 00:39:50,330 --> 00:39:53,294 will be quite as easy to kill as Red John. 723 00:39:53,295 --> 00:39:54,713 You're very much mistaken. 724 00:39:55,539 --> 00:39:58,204 Red John was an accomplished killer, no doubt, 725 00:39:58,205 --> 00:40:01,148 and I applaud you for ridding us of him. 726 00:40:01,205 --> 00:40:04,704 But there is no comparison to the San Joaquin killer. 727 00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:07,379 Red John was a common sociopath-- 728 00:40:07,532 --> 00:40:10,195 lazy, sloppy, delusional. 729 00:40:10,196 --> 00:40:12,343 You really have no idea what you're saying. 730 00:40:12,357 --> 00:40:12,967 Red John-- 731 00:40:13,218 --> 00:40:14,207 Red John is dead. 732 00:40:15,816 --> 00:40:17,084 And the fact that he allowed himself 733 00:40:17,085 --> 00:40:19,811 to be caught and killed by you just proves my point. 734 00:40:22,514 --> 00:40:26,183 Compared to SJK, Red John was nothing. 735 00:40:26,661 --> 00:40:29,728 An amateur... already forgotten. 736 00:40:39,786 --> 00:40:40,984 You, uh... 737 00:40:43,413 --> 00:40:45,088 you were very good out there. 738 00:40:46,419 --> 00:40:48,652 Well... thank you. 739 00:40:58,857 --> 00:40:59,941 I was good. 740 00:41:11,562 --> 00:41:12,352 Hello? 741 00:41:16,366 --> 00:41:17,177 Where? 742 00:41:42,112 --> 00:41:43,148 What's happened? 743 00:41:43,764 --> 00:41:46,112 Panzer. See for yourself. 744 00:42:13,238 --> 00:42:16,176 Sync by YYeTs, corrections by Alex1969 www.addic7ed.com