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We just argue nonstop.
It's beginning to affect my work.
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If they were to diagnose therapists
whose marriages fell apart,
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how many cases of erotic transference
would they find?
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I don't think my marriage to Kate
is falling apart.
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Yes, I had a row with Laura...
I mean with Kate.
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- Who's Laura?
- The girl with the issue of...
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erotic transference.
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I didn't come here
to talk about a patient.
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Did you come here
to ask for my guidance?
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Or to talk to me as a friend?
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Are you seeking advice from a colleague?
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What role have you assigned me?
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I'm trying to figure it out,
but I'm failing!
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No, he's not here.
Please don't call back.
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Because he's dead. He died a year ago.
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Thank you for getting back to me,
Amy. I...
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I appreciate it.
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So I'll see you next week then.
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Same time.
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Thank you. Bye.
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It's...
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It's true.
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Kate's been...
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She's been seeing...
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this guy.
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Supermarket manager,
employment agency guy...
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I forget what he does, but anyway,
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he's divorced,
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got a kid.
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She made sure to tell me
all the details.
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- Did she say how long?
- Everything's gone to hell...
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Patients, family.
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If I was...
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If I was into astrology,
I'd say there was something
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cosmic going on,
planets colliding somewhere.
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First, one of my patients...
The pilot I was telling you about...
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He's leaving his wife.
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Just like that.
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She grinds her teeth in her sleep,
so marriage over.
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Her coach. At least I think
that's what she's hinting at.
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And she also goes
to the same school as my daughter
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so I had the pleasure
of finding out that...
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Rosie was having a... A thing...
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with this boy at school.
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I don't even know what a thing is.
I don't even know if it's true.
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I asked her. I got nowhere.
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She wouldn't tell me anything.
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And then finally...
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Is it me?
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Kate says it is.
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She says it's my fault.
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I don't see her, that's she's invisible.
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She says I don't see the kids either,
they're invisible too.
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As far as I know, Rosie could be
having sex with a drug addict.
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Everybody talks about her at school...
at least that's what she said.
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Who said? Kate said that?
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- I'm lost, Paul.
- The girl, Sophie... the gymnast.
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- You talk about 10 things at once.
- No, she's in the same grade as Rosie.
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Let's focus on Kate.
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What am I supposed to do, Gina?
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I mean ...
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what am I supposed to do...
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now?
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Did she say
what she thinks will happen now
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between the two of you?
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I don't know. She said it's...
She said it's up to me.
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- What do you think that means?
- You tell me.
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She's banging some insurance
salesman and it's up to me?
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She gave me all the details.
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She blows him, she screws him..., it' like i ....
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It's like a porno film.
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- She told you that?
- Absolutely.
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- Why?
- You know, my conception...
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maybe I should say
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my misconception of Kate
is that everything...
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Everything about sex
was always connected to
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intimacy for her.
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There was never anything weird
or dirty about sex you know
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It was always about intimacy.
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Now I feel if someone
throws the word intimacy at me,
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I want to punch her in the mouth.
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Punch "her" in the mouth?
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- What?
- You said punch "her."
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You know,
all that bullshit that I thought meant
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intimacy to her, you know
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The candles, the backrubs, feeling safe.
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Meanwhile she's in her own porno film,
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fucking this...
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This guy.
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I'm trying to figure out
why she would tell you graphic details.
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- Because she wanted to hurt me.
- Did you ask for details?
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Yeah
I ... just wanted to...
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I wanted to get a grasp
of the situation, you know?
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She made sure you wouldn't ignore
what she was saying.
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I think you knew what was going on.
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Last week when we spoke,
I think you knew.
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I'm sure Kate sensed that as well...
your suspicion.
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And maybe I'm wrong.
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I knew.
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I did know.
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You'd think that would make it easier,
you know?
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Almost threw her out of the house.
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It was like, "You hurt me ... ok"
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"I'm gonna hurt you.
Now just get the fuck out of here."
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I mean, there are a thousand ways
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that people can deal
with these things.
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We could have gone to therapy ...
for example.
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I mean, not everybody
has to fuck around.
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What's that?
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Coldex Night.
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They're supposed to be stronger
than Coldex Day.
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I've had two of them already.
They kind of make you a bit stoned.
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Do you want some tea Paul?
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- Water would be good, thanks.
- Sure.
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I had a session yesterday with that...
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Thanks.
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With that couple who called me a...
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Who called me a murderer.
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In the middle of the session,
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she runs to the bathroom
and she starts to bleed.
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- What happened?
- Miscarriage.
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- Oh My God.
- It was pretty scary.
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Is she?
- I think she's fine.
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I just spoke to her at the hospital.
They're running some tests,
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but she seems to be okay.
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At least I'm not a murderer.
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Though I wouldn't be surprised
if the husband blamed me for everything.
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You know
stress as a result of therapy.
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It's possible.
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Ironically,
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they'd both just kind of worked out
their problem.
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They weren't arguing, which for them,
is a major accomplishment.
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And he said to me:
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"This is our last session."
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And then...
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Then it happened.
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Anyway, I was trying
to get the blood out of the couch,
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'cause when she got up,
she left a stain,
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And - and Kate walks into the room.
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And she looks around and she says...
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"What goes on in this office?"
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Anyway...
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Quite a week.
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Quite a week.
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Ultimatums from two women.
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Kate and Laura.
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- Laura?
- She tells you she's in love with you.
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What's..., what do you ...,
What are we going back to that for?
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I was talking about something
completely different.
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You don't think it's relevant?
You describe two women attacking you.
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Two women? What about three women?
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Does it feel like I'm attacking?
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Maybe that's why you're taking pills
to protect yourself against me.
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Did i mention I have a cold, see?
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Last week you called me
a sleepy spider,
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in wait.
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Were you...
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Were you insulted by that?
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No
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Ok ...
I take it back.
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You're not sleepy.
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Would you agree that your relationship
with Kate has been...
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A wall ...
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between you and your patients
so that you're safe,
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I mean, you're not attracted to them?
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Attraction's it's... It's it's not a problem.
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No
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Well ...
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Freud, Messer, Davies, all the big guys,
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they all talk about how attraction
is inevitable, it's part of therapy.
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But if you brush it under the rug,
the message that you're giving to the patients
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is that their feelings are perverse,
are dangerous.
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Their feelings?
I'm talking about your feelings.
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I'm not worried that - that Laura will try
and break down the wall on her own.
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I'm worried that you want her to.
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The ...
The wall?
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What is this metaphor?
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- My wife is a wall?
- You don't agree?
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I'm ... i'm not hiding from my patients.
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- That essay that Bolas wrote about...
- Forget about Bolas Paul.
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Every time we go deeper,
you reach for some theory...
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These male therapists tormented
by lust for their patients. Right?
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I mention Laura
and that's who you start quoting.
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But why are we even talking about Laura?
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Because I want you to hear
what you're saying.
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That you're surrounded
by women who demand
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that you respond and love and
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be angry and feel,
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that you face your feelings.
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Did I mention that Laura is...
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Is getting married in June?
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No.
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So Laura's over.
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That's ... that's finished.
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If anyone wants
to pull down a wall, it's Kate.
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- Why?
- Secrecy. She...
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She hates it.
She hates that I can't share it.
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- You mean work?
- Yeah, She resents my office.
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It's like enemy territory to her.
She's always trying to make it
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her space... a piece of it.
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Like "Let's get a new sofa."
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- Or new blinds or a rug or something.
- Do you let her?
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- No, I don't.
- Why not?
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Because I agree with her.
It's not her space.
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But there was a time when I used to talk
about my patients, when Ian was a kid.
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I would share... share details.
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- With Kate. You don't mean Ian.
- Both of them at the dinner table.
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I see that look of horror on your face.
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No, I was pretty discreet actually.
I never mentioned any names.
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If someone mentioned rats, I'd say,
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"I had a patient with a fear of rats,
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"dreamed about rats every night."
You know, stuff like that.
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- You don't do that now?
- No.
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But I remember when Ian was about 10,
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he asked me, "Dad, what's an alcoholic?"
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And I told him about
this patient of mine
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who needed a drink actually
to get out of bed in the morning.
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And um ...
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One day this man came up to the office
and he was...
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kind of staggering and Ian said,
"Dad, is that the alcoholic?"
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You were careless.
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This situation now, I think...
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There's more at stake.
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- Do you agree?
- Because we're talking about a woman?
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Sexual attraction.
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Can I ask you a question?
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Let's say that You're in the middle of a session
and a patient needed to use the bathroom
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and your bathroom is blocked up.
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Would you let them use
the bathroom in your house?
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- Did that happen?
- Yeah, Laura said that she had to pee.
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And I told her,
"Well, the toilet's blocked up."
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And a ...so she headed for the door
of the house and...
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I freaked out.
I jumped up and I stopped her.
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I'm keeping your metaphor going here.
I hope you appreciate that about the...
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She tried to scale the wall.
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Well ...There's always a patient
who wants to know about you...
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More about your private self.
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Anyway...
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- What did you do?
- I jumped up. I panicked.
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- What made you panic?
- She was doing it on purpose, I felt.
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I thought, "Why can't she hold it
for another 10 minutes?"
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Why did I panic?
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I don't know really.
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Has that ever happened
with another patient?
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Aah ...
Sophie, the gymnast...
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She came in last week and...
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it had been raining
and she was completely soaked.
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So I ... let her change
into my daughter's clothes.
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That didn't make you uncomfortable?
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Ehm ...
No.
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It's a lot more intimate
than using the bathroom...
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Rosie's clothes.
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She had casts on both her arms ...
from the accident.
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And she held up her hands like this
and she said,
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"Undress me."
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So, I got Kate to come in and help her.
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- How old did you say she was?
- 16.
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An this is the girl that's sleeping
with her adult coach?
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Well, She might be sleeping
with her coach.
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So loaded situation,
her asking you to undress her.
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She was messing with me.
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You had no problem handling that?
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(Paul) No
You had Kate help her, undress her,
give her your daughter's clothes.
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But when Laura needs to use
the bathroom, you freak out.
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- Why is that?
- Laura is a woman.
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Sophie's just a... she's just a child.
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Shouldn't that make it easier?
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You know, there was...
There was a part of me that ...
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that really wanted Laura
to go through the door,
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to see where I live.
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- Maybe to... to see Kate.
- You wanted that?
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Is that what scared you?
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Did you discuss
what Laura told you last week?
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Well ...She said that the reason
that she was going to marry this guy,
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this boyfriend Andrew, was because
I told her I wasn't interested.
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I know what you're thinking,
but I made it really clear.
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I said nothing
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is going to happen between us.
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- Good.
- I'm... I'm just...
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I'm not going to play along.
This is not going to happen".
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In your mind,
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is there any possibility that the affair
could become a reality?
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No, in your mind.
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Look, I have to admit sometimes,
it's... It's flattering.
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I - i - i can't help but enjoy the feeling.
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But I told her no.
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I said, "This cannot happen".
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"You cannot go through that door.
There are limits."
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Is that what upset you,
that she was testing you?
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Gina, It's not that abstract.
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She's ...
She's a beautiful woman.
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She says she wants to have sex with me, i ...
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I know what's in her head,
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so I don't want her going through
the door and maybe bumping into Kate.
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But you said you did want that.
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Some part of you wanted that.
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No, i - i ...
No.
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The point I'm making is that
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I want Laura to understand
that we can survive this,
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that any attraction
that comes up between us I can handle.
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I am not going to let this
derail the therapy.
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Her wanting to sleep with you?
Yeah.
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How did she put it exactly?
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Oh ...That she knows that...
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I want her.
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She said that she wants to...
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fuck me and that she knows
that I want to fuck her too.
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That's a lot to stave off,
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- that kind of intensity.
- She can be very direct... Laura.
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Maybe that's why I panicked.
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Here's what I think, Paul,
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and you can accept this or tell me
I'm interfering again, but
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given the situation with Kate,
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I think we...
we might explore the option
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of transferring Laura
to another therapist.
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- What?
- Just hear me out on this Paul.
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Because Laura thinks
she wants to sleep with me?
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Last week you thought
we were already having sex.
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I thought you had an affair had began
and you were trying to justify it.
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- Thanks, Gina.
- I was wrong. I'm sorry.
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I jumped to conclusions.
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You've reassured me.
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But now this situation with Kate...
328
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How emotional you are
and the pressure you're under.
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Listen to yourself.
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You're injured. You're vulnerable.
You're angry.
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This isn't me being stubborn, Paul.
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I think we should just discuss
the possibility
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that Laura's better off
with a different therapist.
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- A female therapist, you mean.
- Yeah, preferably.
335
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- You, for instance?
- No, I'm retired, remember?
336
00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:04,710
This is so typical of you Gina.
337
00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:08,880
You know, You always begin by saying
"I hate to say this, but...
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"But..."
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And you lay some pronouncement on me
that you've already been thinking about
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before you've come into the session.
This isn't a debate club, you know?
341
00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:21,060
It's not like we take a position
and we hunt for ways to support it.
342
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That's not what I'm doing.
I'm listening.
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00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,350
You have Kate on one side
and you have Laura on the other.
344
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But they're two
totally different situations, Gina.
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Are you saying that I pushed Kate
into this situation?
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That I created this environment at home
347
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so that Kate could go fuck
an insurance agent
348
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because really I'm in love with Laura?
349
00:21:50,380 --> 00:21:53,000
Isn't that your theory?
Your notes somewhere?
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- Look at how you're reacting.
- How am I reacting?
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I am not sending Laura
to another therapist.
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End of story.
353
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I can handle
whatever comes up in the sessions.
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That's why I'm here... Because
I want you to help me to handle it.
355
00:22:11,740 --> 00:22:13,600
We just need to discuss this, Paul.
356
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,960
I don't want to pawn her off
on somebody else.
357
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,100
We need to examin what's best for Laura?
358
00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:21,070
Honestly,
if it wasn't for Kate cheating...
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I wouldn't be here, Gina.
360
00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:33,300
And we haven't talked
about your comment the last time.
361
00:22:34,420 --> 00:22:37,300
- I was pretty pissed off about that.
- About what?
362
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:41,230
You made a crack about my father
leaving my mother for a patient.
363
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:43,880
What was that supposed to mean?
364
00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:47,660
That I can't treat Laura because of
what my father did years ago?
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00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:49,790
I'm not my father, for Christ's sake.
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00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:52,920
No, you're not your father.
I'm suggesting a pattern
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- that might be threatening to you.
- Are you
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00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:59,170
or are you not, Gina,
saying that because of my father,
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that I'm in danger of having an affair?
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00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,710
My ...
My gut...
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You can't answer it, can you?
372
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No, I can't.
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If I remember correctly, you were faced
with the same scenario yourself.
374
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So maybe this really isn't
about my father.
375
00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:31,300
Maybe it's about you, Gina.
376
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,210
Don't forget I was the one
who referred Charlie to you.
377
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:39,320
I remember he called me
after one of your sessions.
378
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And he confessed to me that...
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that he was in love with you.
No, actually he went further.
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00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,720
He said that you were in love
with each other.
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00:23:50,860 --> 00:23:52,980
Maybe he was wrong, I don't know.
382
00:23:53,670 --> 00:23:56,610
Either way, you needed to face that,
and you didn't.
383
00:23:56,890 --> 00:23:58,620
You just ran off to England.
384
00:23:59,630 --> 00:24:02,600
You know what?
I could not believe when that happened.
385
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:06,820
That was a wake-up call for me,
386
00:24:07,670 --> 00:24:09,620
watching you behave like that.
387
00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:13,360
- I didn't run away.
- Come on,
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00:24:13,450 --> 00:24:16,750
a sabbatical with David? At that moment?
389
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,920
By the way,
is that what your novel is about?
390
00:24:28,910 --> 00:24:30,040
I figured.
391
00:24:30,980 --> 00:24:33,320
You failed the same test yourself, Gina,
392
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,330
but you abandoned a patient.
393
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,130
He tried to get hold of you
over the years, didn't he?
394
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,070
A few letters.
395
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:47,480
I didn't answer.
396
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:51,780
You do know
that he died a few months ago?
397
00:24:56,170 --> 00:24:57,570
Prostate cancer.
398
00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:04,430
It was right after David
and I couldn't go to another funeral neither
399
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:06,870
I just couldn't... I couldn't face it.
400
00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:17,260
It's funny, you know? I was talking
about Charlie the other day
401
00:25:18,190 --> 00:25:19,750
to a patient of mine i was ...
402
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:23,860
I was saying that I... I'd been
to his funeral and that I was...
403
00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:27,090
I couldn't feel sadness.
404
00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:31,920
And I was, you know,
beating myself up about it.
405
00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:38,240
The truth is, I was...
406
00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:41,970
I was so disillusioned with you, Gina,
407
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:45,330
for keeping you on as a supervisor.
408
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:49,570
After what you pulled what you did with Charlie,
I should have just walked out then.
409
00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:54,580
You know that he never ever got
over you?
410
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:08,440
Since we're digging for the truth...
411
00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:16,770
May I ask
how you really feel about Laura?
412
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:21,210
I haven't heard a clear answer.
Not what you're going to do about her,
413
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:22,540
but how you feel.
414
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:26,400
Do you mean, am I attracted to her?
415
00:26:26,650 --> 00:26:28,090
- Are you?
- Come on, Gina.
416
00:26:28,090 --> 00:26:30,850
If I transferred every patient
I was attracted to at some point,
417
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:33,170
I wouldn't have any patients left.
418
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:38,910
And it's not your place
to say I should transfer a patient.
419
00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:42,200
It's like me telling that couple
they should have an abortion.
420
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,210
It's not what therapists do.
421
00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:47,840
We don't tell people
how to run their lives.
422
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,370
I'm suggesting that we talk about
stopping Laura's therapy
423
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:54,910
and look at your reaction.
424
00:26:57,930 --> 00:27:00,280
Paul, do you really need another pill?
425
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,860
I know. Tomorrow's Saturday.
I can sleep all day Sunday.
426
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:08,020
I don't really care
if they knock me out or not, really.
427
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,750
What you're going through with Kate
is so complicated.
428
00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:23,920
Yeah
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