1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,951 Previously on In Treatment. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,239 Are you saying that I pushed Kate into this situation? 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,714 That I created this environment at home, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,274 so that Kate could go fuck an insurance agent, 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,788 because really I'm in love with Laura? 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,840 I think we should just discuss the possibility 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,917 that Laura's better off with a different therapist. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,397 I am not sending Laura to another therapist. End of story. 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,674 If I remember correctly, you were faced with the same scenario yourself. 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,712 Don't forget, I was the one who referred Charlie to you. 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,433 You know that he never, ever got over you? 12 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:44,598 You failed the same test yourself, Gina, but you abandoned a patient. 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,877 - Hi, Paul. - Hi, Gina. 14 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,754 - How are you, Paul? - I'm fine. 15 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,597 Yes? 16 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,592 Why, do I not seem fine? 17 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,995 You seem... antsy. 18 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,712 (Paul sighs) 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,830 I just keep needing to go to the bathroom. 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,871 Oh, you remember where it is, the door on... 21 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,558 No, I mean all the time. 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:30,748 It's a... 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,353 - a urinary thing. - Oh, I see. 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,630 - Have you seen a doctor? - Yeah. 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:42,437 Getting better, but it's still a terrible sensation. You go to the bathroom, you stand there, 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,914 you will it to happen. Nothing, not a drop. 27 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:46,871 It's so uncomfortable. 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,551 This and the stress you're under. 29 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,351 - What? - (Laughs) 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,357 Jesus. You think it's psychosomatic. 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,312 - No, not at all. - A symbolic urinary infection. 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,669 - Symbolic how? - My head's telling me one thing, 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:08,477 my body's telling me another. My precise issue manifesting itself as a physical malfunction of... 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,071 (Sighs) 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,793 - Yes? - Shit. 36 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,956 Did you say it was on the right? 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,195 - Yeah. - Excuse me for a moment. 38 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,509 - (Paul) There's no soap in there. - Really? I thought I saw soap. 39 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,751 Are you angry? 40 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,077 It feels like you're angry tonight. 41 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,999 - I'd say that's a fairly accurate assessment. - You wanna tell me why? 44 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,315 - My advice? - Taking your advice like a novice, 45 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,878 like a naive intern, ignoring every cell in my body and listening to you instead, Gina. 46 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,834 - What happened? - (Sighs) 47 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,791 (Clears throat) 48 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,992 I met with Laura and, um, we talked about ending our sessions. 49 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,951 A total disaster. 50 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,275 Did the opposite of what you predicted. 51 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,311 It was just destructive. 52 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,834 - It sabotaged a year of therapy. - How? 53 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,271 Because it undermined her faith in me and in the work that we'd done together. 54 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,757 She asked me if I was ending our sessions because I'm in love with her. 55 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,155 Well, that's what she heard me say. 56 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,911 What she heard was, "I'm in love with you, so I can't see you any more." 57 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:03,873 - How did you put it exactly? - Are you suggesting that I handled it badly? 58 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,040 No, I just wanna hear what you said. 59 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,674 Well, I said we should discuss the option of... 60 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,791 (Sighs)... of ending therapy. 61 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,833 - You didn't just drop it on her out of the blue? - Of course I didn't. I built up to it. 62 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,755 She came in late. 63 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,112 I thought that was important. Like it was her way of telling me something. 64 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,197 - I'm not following. - I said I thought that her being late 65 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,552 was her way of saying that she was angry at me, that she was, um... 66 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,198 ambivalent about her therapy. 67 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:40,109 Of course, she threw it back and she asked if... and she does have a point... 68 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,948 she asked if she wasn't the first person ever to fall in love with her therapist, 69 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,359 and then she told me to deal with it. 70 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,277 (Laughs) 71 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,912 Meaning, you know, this is my job. She's right. 72 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:58,751 She said, "You are an experienced therapist, just deal with it." 73 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,634 Are you surprised at her reaction? You put it on her and she threw it back. 74 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,750 How was I supposed... 75 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,678 Gina, you hammered me about this last week. 76 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,429 You went on and on and on about... I knew it was a bad idea. 77 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,316 And now I'm coming to you with this mess... 78 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,874 Paul, you're not an intern. 79 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,832 Far from it. Don't play the intern. 80 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,112 If you think something's a bad idea, you don't do it because I suggested it. 81 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,878 I said we should talk about it. 82 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,356 You were furious, like I was trying to take Laura away from you. 83 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,392 Two days later, you abruptly try to stop her treatment. 84 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,796 You said that ending the therapy was the best good solution. 85 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,479 I said it might be necessary for her sake. 86 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,399 When you say "good solution", I think you mean a solution to your problems. 87 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,158 Is that what I mean? 88 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,988 I'm assuming you acted hastily because you thought it was necessary, 89 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,190 that it had to be dealt with quickly. 90 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,993 What do you want, Gina? What do you want to hear? 91 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,715 Do you want me to talk about Laura, do you want us to have a Laura session? 92 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,788 What do you want me to say, that I sit opposite her and say, "Oh, what if?" 93 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,836 Well, I do. 94 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,636 You think I'm in denial about it. 95 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,478 I'm not. Laura's... 96 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,877 She's attractive. 97 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,960 Anybody who's a therapist knows that... 98 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,788 Look, I know all the ways in with her, all the doors I could open if I wanted. 99 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:31,628 - Do you imagine opening those doors? - Yes, I do. 100 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,512 Yep, I, uh... 101 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,229 I fantasise 102 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:44,077 about Laura. 103 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,550 Look, it's like a gynaecologist. 104 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,676 It's easier for women to believe that their male gynaecologist 105 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,518 doesn't have any sexual desire for them. 106 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,473 (Clears throat) Of course, they want him to find their bodies attractive as well. 107 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,078 - Paul. - Don't they? 108 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,908 Don't break down the relationship between a woman and her gynaecologist. 109 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,951 - That's the deep end. - Hm. 110 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,309 Anyway, last week, I, um... (Clears throat) 111 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,276 I got this... 112 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,754 sharp kind of pain, 113 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,395 so I went to the urologist on Monday, and I thought... 114 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,271 wow, this is... 115 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,871 this is really scary. 116 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,310 And then this random thought comes into my head 117 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,477 because it's so cold in the room and I think my dick is shrinking 118 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,990 and I don't want the doctor to think that, you know, that's the real size of it. 119 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,315 - It was just... - (Laughs) 120 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,590 - Yeah. - (Laughs) 121 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,917 Paul. 122 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,634 You know, there is no connection between a gynaecologist's office 123 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,389 and the intimacy between therapist and patient. 124 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,115 - I'm curious what you think the connection is. - All I'm saying, Gina, is that, 125 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,994 as a male therapist sitting across from a beautiful patient, I... 126 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,996 I know exactly... 127 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,911 how to engage her. 128 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,351 I know exactly what it would take to... to turn her on. 129 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,797 - You know what turns her on? - Yes, I do. 130 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,832 - But? - Any number of things. 131 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,678 But I could manipulate her to do anything I wanted. 132 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,430 I know that. And I doubt if it's only male therapists who have those thoughts. 133 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,749 I think you know what I'm talking about. 134 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,634 For example, if a male doctor performs an examination on a female patient, 135 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:40,636 there'd be a nurse present, right? 136 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:43,240 - I mean, that's for a reason. - Am I the nurse? 137 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,993 I keep you from crossing the line. Is that why you came to me? 138 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,189 Let me tell you what worries me. 139 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,150 You have boundaries too and, just like you, this woman knows how to cross them. 140 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,193 All I'm saying is that the temptation is there for any therapist. 141 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,355 (Clears throat) I know what I'm doing. 142 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,595 I mean, if I were a gynaecologist, and I were performing an examination, 143 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,599 - I mean, I wouldn't accidentally start... - Oh, Paul, listen to yourself. 144 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,599 You know, you say you have no problem discussing Laura 145 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,838 and then I bring her up and suddenly it's... 146 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,757 it's all about genitals, 147 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,156 gynaecologists and urologists and... 148 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:37,874 You know, it seems to me that you're taking all of this to an extremely intimate realm, 149 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,918 and you're saying to me, "I'm extremely vulnerable here. 150 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,069 "Help me here, where it hurts." 151 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,030 (Sighs) 152 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,591 You know what? 153 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,510 What gets me is that... 154 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:00,551 I... I lay it out for you. 155 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,431 All I want is for you to give me the Gina treatment, 156 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,950 to get in there with your cold, analytical scalpel 157 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,592 and get some perspective. 158 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,074 Say, "Try this, Paul." "Try that." 159 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,350 What I didn't expect was that... 160 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,949 that you'd give up on me, that you'd tell me to find her a new therapist. 161 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,798 - Give up on you? - You suggest a course of action. 162 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,628 When that fails, you say to me, "Hey, you did it, don't come blaming me." 163 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:29,150 Do you really believe I convinced you to do something destructive? 164 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,031 Let's talk about that. 165 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,278 It seems like a distraction from talking about your feelings about her, but OK, 166 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,869 let's start by looking at how you're conducting her therapy, 167 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,471 which seems to me impulsive, unorganised, and, if I'm honest, very problematic. 168 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,399 - Oh, really, does it now? - Whenever I try to talk about this, 169 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,476 you unleash all this aggression 170 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,991 to show me this area is off-limits. "Touch this, I'll burn it down." 171 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,110 All right, well, deal with it. 172 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,791 Right. Right. 173 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,515 Remember Alex, the fighter pilot guy? 174 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:09,552 - Oh, God, Paul, listen to yourself. - What? 175 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,353 You say, "Let's talk about Laura," and then you bring up Alex 176 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,153 or anything you can think of, so long as it's not Laura! 177 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:16,918 This is about Laura. 178 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,555 (Clears throat) Alex, the fighter pilot... 179 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,639 - met Laura. - How? 180 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,513 After a session we had this talk about stopping therapy. 181 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,996 The session ended and she wouldn't leave. She wanted extra time. 182 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,828 I told her I couldn't, that I had an appointment with a... urologist. 183 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,997 - You didn't tell her that? - No. I said I had an appointment. 184 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,919 Anyway, she stormed out, and, Io and behold, who does she meet? 185 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,029 Alex. 186 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,514 He was there and you had a conflicting appointment? 187 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:49,313 He was a day early by mistake, which is weird, because... 188 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,956 because this guy is such a military perfectionist machine, 189 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,675 he can probably tell the time by triangulating the stars or something. 190 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,915 Anyway, he forgot what day it was. 191 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,589 So, he comes back the next afternoon, tells me that they met and now... 192 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,351 and now they're dating. 193 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,949 You think it's funny? 194 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,638 Because I don't. 195 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,911 No, it's not funny. It's curious, I guess. 196 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,509 What's so... What's so curiously funny about it? 197 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:28,509 I... I don't know. Just give me a minute, let me figure out what I'm thinking. I... 198 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,714 It made me smile, I don't know why. 199 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,553 Mm. They're dating. 200 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,956 - Dating? - She went out with him to get back at me. 201 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,151 I pushed her into it. You don't see that? 202 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,636 I reject her unequivocally 203 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:51,319 and, and the next minute she's hitting on the nearest guy. 204 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,193 I mean, a guy literally on my own doorstep. 205 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,595 - That's not a reaction to me? - Why would it be? 206 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,919 Because she knew Alex would tell me. 207 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,398 Well, first of all, isn't it a reaction against her boyfriend, the man she's going to marry? 208 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,791 Why are you the betrayed man here? 209 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,077 (Sighs) 210 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,355 Which would be the worse situation... 211 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,554 if you realised that you were the centre of Laura's life 212 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,592 and that she was dating another man to get at you 213 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:40,389 or, if the transference simply faded, 214 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,278 and she was back to viewing you as a therapist, 215 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,198 she thought about you during sessions, that's it? 216 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,559 Mm. 217 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,591 You think I'm an egomaniac? 218 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,234 No, I'm asking which would be the worse situation. 219 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,034 Look, I don't get off on being worshipped by my patients, if that's what you mean. 220 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,390 It's not like I'm in some kind of... some kind of a cult. 221 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,479 If her feelings were to change, you wouldn't have a sense of loss? 222 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,431 Mm. Pretty clear how you want me to answer this, Gina. 223 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,152 No. 224 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,954 Do you not get that I'm concerned about the right and the wrong of this, 225 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,471 - as it affects all my patients? - You're very concerned, I can tell that, 226 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,230 but you know, 227 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,909 sometimes, helping a patient view the world differently, 228 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,952 it's a powerful experience, it's a little addictive. 229 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,915 It's a powerful experience because it contributes to somebody's wellbeing. 230 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:39,876 It's not about an inflated sense of power. Do you think I'm addicted to power? 231 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,717 OK. 232 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,397 How... 233 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,556 How does Laura see you? 234 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,910 - What do you mean? - When she looks at you, what does she see? 235 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,315 - Why? - Bear with me. 236 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,195 (Sighs) 237 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,992 What does she see? Mm. 238 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,758 (Clears throat) She sees 239 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,831 a man, obviously, 240 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,836 a lot older than she is, 241 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,349 um, an authoritative, strong man. 242 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,039 She thinks if she could get close to him, 243 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,595 that she could maybe take on some of his strength. 244 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,877 At the same time, she's waiting for him to disappoint her 245 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,833 because somewhere down the line, inevitably, that's... 246 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,552 that's her story with men. 247 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,992 - What else? - She thinks that I won't be interested in her 248 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,190 unless she offers herself sexually. 249 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,199 She associates concern for her as a woman... 250 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,878 with sex. 251 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,196 For her, sex is a currency that she uses 252 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,518 to pay for emotional protection from men. 253 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,355 Don't analyse, just describe. 254 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,073 - Where's this going, Gina? - Just stay with it. 255 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,917 OK. Um... 256 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,235 She thinks I'm a coward, which is a bit of a turn-off. 257 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,635 She believes that I'm totally in love with her, 258 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,752 that I think all the rest of my patients are a drag 259 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,314 and that I can't wait for her session. 260 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,191 I assume she, uh, 261 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,673 (Clears throat) I assume she finds me attractive, 262 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,676 otherwise why would she... 263 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,635 (Sighs) 264 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,716 Isn't this enough? 265 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,753 Now you describe her how you see her. 266 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,870 I would say 267 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,515 - an hysterical disorder of some... - Don't analyse, describe. 268 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,391 Did you mean what does she look like? 269 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,112 - Yes. - OK. 270 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,154 - If one had to pick her out of a crowd, I'd say... - No, no, if you had to pick her out of a crowd. 271 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,476 God, you are such a stickler. OK, she's 30. 272 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,593 She's... She's beautiful. 273 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,078 Mm. 274 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,591 Great smile. 275 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,158 Inquisitive look in her eye, really sharp. 276 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,837 Very smart. 277 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,269 She's got this great laugh that just... 278 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,671 just bubbles up out of her. It comes from nowhere, like quicksilver. 279 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,232 She's childish, I'd say. No, not childish, childlike. 280 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,709 Vulnerable. 281 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,593 Makes you want to hold her. 282 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,475 She's fascinated with sex, well, with the power of sex, 283 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,830 as if she were a teenager who's just discovered it. 284 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:33,556 Always... Always makes reference to it. 285 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,074 Vivid sexual experiences that, gotta say, are very poetic sometimes. 286 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,877 Mm. 287 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,194 She told me about a summer after her mother died. 288 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:55,076 She was 15 and she went to live with this couple in San Diego, friends of her father. 289 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:59,715 And, uh, she fell in love with this guy much older than her. 290 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,909 It was an escape, I think, from her father, who was... 291 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,872 really depressed and sad 292 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,911 after the death of his wife. 293 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,156 That can be pretty horrible, you know. 294 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,428 A child taking care of a parent. 295 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,675 Like you did after your mother's breakdown? 296 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:28,355 Mm. Nothing worse than a kid playing parent to a father or mother. 297 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,595 It's unnatural, it reverses the order of things. 298 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,757 It's like a kind of death, I suppose. 299 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,039 For you, it was after your father ran off with his patient. 300 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,036 Oh, you keep coming back to that all the time. 301 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,389 I'm trying to find the roots of your connection to Laura. 302 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,954 It's got nothing to do with my father. 303 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,560 Laura's the one re-enacting, not me. 304 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,718 Laura's re-enacting this... escape, 305 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,271 because that's what I am to her. 306 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,039 Escape from what, her boyfriend, her wedding? 307 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,551 I've tried to explain it to her that... 308 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:04,033 she's really making me into another David. 309 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,790 Not your David but the older guy from that couple that took her in. 310 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,270 She wants me to be that guy... again. 311 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,633 - You sure? - Well, God forbid I should say anything 312 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,558 that you agree with, Gina, no matter how clearly I lay it out. 313 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,717 Her attraction to me, her wanting to run away with me, 314 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,231 there's something bigger that's, that's driving that impulse. 315 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:33,270 - Maybe you wanna run away. - What? 316 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,675 Escape from Kate, from your work. 317 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,154 God, you're so fixated on your pet theories. 318 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,397 Everything has to... (Sighs) 319 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,355 (Exhales) 320 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,111 Did I tell you that, um... 321 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,390 (Coughs) 322 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,228 ...that Kate is going to Rome next week with her insurance agent boyfriend? 323 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,957 She's the one that's running, not me. 324 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,231 I told her, "Fine". You know, "Just get the hell out." 325 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,395 "I don't wanna... I... 326 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,431 "I don't wanna look at you." 327 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,794 We don't live together anyway. 328 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,070 - What do you mean? - I sleep in the office. 329 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,477 Huh. During the day we act like everything is fine 330 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,630 but, at night, I'm, uh... 331 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,989 (Laughs)... I'm on the couch. 332 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,429 - Since when? - The last four nights. 333 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,000 I brought in my blankets and my clothes. 334 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,355 How are the kids taking this? 335 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,630 Rosie didn't come home on Tuesday. 336 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,708 Said she'd be back late, but... in the morning she wasn't there. 337 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,719 She claimed that she slept over at some friend's. I mean, who knows? 338 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,958 Lan had a week off from college. He didn't even call, didn't come back. 339 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,834 Got back after work yesterday and Kate announced that... 340 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,871 "Hey, I'm going out." 341 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,190 I said, "Fine, do whatever you want." 342 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,152 So I went to make dinner and... 343 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,838 (Sighs)... there was no food in the kitchen. 344 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,989 Went to the fridge, I look in, nothing, not even an egg. 345 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,476 Anyway, Max and I ordered pizzas, then I put him to bed. 346 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,637 I was gonna sleep in the office and then I thought, "What if something happens?" 347 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,710 He's up there by himself, he's all alone. 348 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,072 I... couldn't bring myself to sleep in that bedroom. 349 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,190 Not even for his sake. 350 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,115 I find that bedroom kind of... 351 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,514 (Sighs) ...repulsive. 352 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,475 I was asleep for a while, I don't know what time it was, 353 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:42,469 and I... I wake up and hear this voice saying... 354 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:46,031 "Daddy". 355 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,719 And Max is there, just standing at the door. 356 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,832 He asked me if I could sleep with him and... 357 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,238 I said, "Sure." 358 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,637 He hasn't done that since he was five years old. 359 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,639 I guess that's the answer to your question is the kids know everything. 360 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,437 Anyway, she's, um, she's leaving in three days 361 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,314 and, uh... I think it's probably for the best, really. 362 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,351 - How is it for the best? - It's not for the best. 363 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,351 It's a nightmare. 364 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,276 It's painful but, in a way, you're free 365 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,838 to go through whatever it is with Laura. 366 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,034 I wanted my wife to leave me for a salesman? 367 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,116 Maybe not but it's convenient. 368 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,711 Convenient? She's flying to Rome to fuck an insurance salesman, for Christ's sake. 369 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,228 - Is that really what he is? - I don't know what he is. 370 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,475 He runs an employment agency or something. 371 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,795 What am I supposed to do, chain her to the bed? 372 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:52,197 Track every move she makes like that guy I have in therapy, Jake? 373 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,028 Or Alex, whose wife grinds her teeth in her sleep 374 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,198 and wakes up the next day and says, "The marriage is over, I'm leaving." 375 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,151 You keep bringing patients into this. 376 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,991 My wife is running off but apparently it's not my wife, really, it's me, according to you. 377 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,951 Since I'm my father, it must be me. 378 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,150 I've been trying to understand since our first session why you came to me, 379 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,997 me specifically. 380 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,516 I remember on our first visit you said that you felt like you were cutting corners, 381 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,553 you have no patience for your patients, that's what you said. 382 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,271 And that, if they knew what you really thought about them, they'd stop coming. 383 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,596 I'm wondering if that's what you want, for them to stop coming. 384 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,235 - Why would I want that, Gina? - Not literally. On an unconscious level. 385 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,998 Oh, unconscious. 386 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,753 Maybe you wanna transfer your patients to me. 387 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,951 - Where did that come from? - It's not a real option. It's a wish. 388 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,992 You could dump your patients on me, your problems. 389 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,837 When I suggested that we find another therapist for Laura, 390 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,075 you immediately assumed that I would treat her. 391 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,590 And then you went down the list, you described each patient. 392 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,313 But isn't that what these sessions are for? 393 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,113 It felt like you were preparing me metaphorically 394 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,912 for the day when you hand them over, 395 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,988 when you say, "Here, their problems are not my problems. I have to leave." 396 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,315 Oh, yeah, I'm gonna run off to the Caribbean 397 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:29,114 and I'm gonna be sipping cocktails with Laura and, uh, scuba diving. 398 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,631 I mean, what on earth are you on about? I've just took on three more new patients. 399 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,229 You said you did that to prove to yourself that everything's OK. 400 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,953 That couple, you said you don't care if they ever come back. 401 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,070 You don't like the navy pilot. 402 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,239 And sometimes it seems you're not that upset about Kate. 403 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800 - What? - Not always. 404 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,671 Sometimes. 405 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,998 Maybe all these things that should be bad are really OK? 406 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,157 And then there's me. 407 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,589 You're using me as your accomplice. 408 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,872 Not in a practical way, but emotionally, to help you move on from them. 409 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,990 That way, you're free to be with Laura. 410 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,593 You know, I don't even know what to say to that. 411 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,315 I mean... What, what are you doing? Is this what you call help? 412 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,716 Cos that's why I came here, Gina, I came here for you to help me. 413 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,878 I keep saying this but, through some misguided line of reasoning, 414 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,357 through some narcissistic need of yours to save the day, 415 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,032 to put yourself at the front and the centre, we've ended up here, in this same place, 416 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,029 just to confirm that you, Gina, are right, as always. 417 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,516 (Sighs) 418 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,551 Maybe I misjudged you, I don't know. 419 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,196 I thought you were better than this. 420 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,516 You know, I gotta say, you really sometimes are so infuriating, 421 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,350 the way you keep coming back to your pet theories, you know, my father, Kate. 422 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,390 Guess I'd better go. 423 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,872 - Have a good week, Paul. - You too. 424 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,789 English SDH