1 00:00:03,036 --> 00:00:05,834 (both laughing) 2 00:00:05,939 --> 00:00:06,871 Time's running out. 3 00:00:06,973 --> 00:00:08,372 Ray Allen for three at the buzzer. 4 00:00:08,475 --> 00:00:09,533 - Yes! - Oh! 5 00:00:09,642 --> 00:00:10,802 Heat win by two. 6 00:00:10,910 --> 00:00:13,105 Carmelo with a running hook! 7 00:00:13,213 --> 00:00:14,111 (bottle clatters) 8 00:00:14,214 --> 00:00:16,307 (loud crash) 9 00:00:21,654 --> 00:00:22,552 CARRIE: You're forgetting. 10 00:00:22,655 --> 00:00:25,089 I hit the Red Sox on Wednesday. 11 00:00:25,191 --> 00:00:27,159 Plus, I nailed that three-team parlay 12 00:00:27,260 --> 00:00:30,923 of the A's, Jays and the Reds on Friday, right? 13 00:00:31,031 --> 00:00:33,022 Which would put my new total at... 14 00:00:34,634 --> 00:00:38,161 See, that is a very nice number, Zeke. 15 00:00:38,271 --> 00:00:40,535 All right, give me the Mets tonight, two times. 16 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,538 Okay. 17 00:00:41,641 --> 00:00:43,336 Bye. 18 00:00:43,443 --> 00:00:44,603 That was my bank. 19 00:00:44,711 --> 00:00:45,939 Your bank's not like my bank. 20 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:47,809 Oh, you have no idea. 21 00:00:47,914 --> 00:00:48,972 So what do we got? 22 00:00:49,082 --> 00:00:52,142 Old guy took a noser from the 12th floor. 23 00:00:52,252 --> 00:00:53,276 Eliot has us out here 24 00:00:53,386 --> 00:00:54,580 because he's some big-shot doctor 25 00:00:54,687 --> 00:00:55,984 on the faculty at Algonquian. 26 00:00:56,089 --> 00:00:57,784 What's his name? 27 00:00:57,891 --> 00:00:59,381 Uh, hold on. 28 00:00:59,492 --> 00:01:01,483 Lustig. Eugene Lustig. 29 00:01:01,594 --> 00:01:03,494 LUSTIG: So while we will always 30 00:01:03,596 --> 00:01:05,655 "gaze ahead with wonder 31 00:01:05,765 --> 00:01:08,598 "at the great uncharted terrain of the future, 32 00:01:08,701 --> 00:01:10,862 "I believe it will soon be possible, 33 00:01:10,970 --> 00:01:13,200 "by unlocking the secrets of memory, 34 00:01:13,306 --> 00:01:16,104 "to turn our gaze behind us 35 00:01:16,209 --> 00:01:19,542 "and bathe in new sunlight 36 00:01:19,646 --> 00:01:22,376 the hidden landscapes of our past." 37 00:01:22,482 --> 00:01:23,608 Thank you. 38 00:01:26,386 --> 00:01:27,819 MAN: I'm so sorry, folks, 39 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:29,821 Dr. Lustig has another engagement. 40 00:01:29,923 --> 00:01:30,821 Thank you so much for coming. 41 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:32,152 LUSTIG: Bye-bye. Take care. Thanks. 42 00:01:32,258 --> 00:01:33,418 CARRIE: Dr. Lustig. Hi. 43 00:01:33,526 --> 00:01:35,016 I'm sorry, Dr. Lustig has a plane to catch. 44 00:01:35,128 --> 00:01:37,426 Dr. Lustig, I just need to talk to you for one minute. 45 00:01:37,530 --> 00:01:39,555 "Thank you for your kind words, Chancellor. 46 00:01:39,666 --> 00:01:41,497 "It's great to be back at my alma mater 47 00:01:41,601 --> 00:01:43,569 "under such a bluebird sky. 48 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:45,001 "30 years ago, 49 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:47,266 "when the late Professor Ed Hartung introduced me 50 00:01:47,373 --> 00:01:49,273 to the mysteries of the human memory..." 51 00:01:49,375 --> 00:01:51,673 This is the speech I gave at Cornell last week. 52 00:01:51,778 --> 00:01:53,575 It hasn't been published yet. 53 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,272 Did someone give you a copy? 54 00:01:55,381 --> 00:01:57,212 No. 55 00:01:58,885 --> 00:02:01,581 I think I'll, uh, catch a later flight. 56 00:02:12,198 --> 00:02:13,631 Jo? 57 00:02:13,733 --> 00:02:15,223 Hi. 58 00:02:15,335 --> 00:02:16,962 I saw him speak at the Y. 59 00:02:17,070 --> 00:02:18,503 He was very impressive. 60 00:02:18,605 --> 00:02:20,664 Yes, he was. 61 00:02:20,773 --> 00:02:22,297 WEBSTER: Came down 12 stories. 62 00:02:22,408 --> 00:02:26,105 Pushed, jumped or fell... that is the question. 63 00:02:26,212 --> 00:02:27,338 In my opinion, 64 00:02:27,447 --> 00:02:29,540 his injuries are consistent with a high fall, 65 00:02:29,649 --> 00:02:33,176 but anything else, tomorrow will tell. 66 00:02:36,189 --> 00:02:38,919 Did they, um... did they see anything? 67 00:02:39,025 --> 00:02:40,856 The landing, not the dismount. 68 00:02:41,861 --> 00:02:43,761 Al, I-I knew him. 69 00:02:44,998 --> 00:02:47,023 It was 2004. 70 00:02:47,133 --> 00:02:49,192 Year and a half after... 71 00:02:49,302 --> 00:02:51,827 I quit the force. 72 00:02:51,938 --> 00:02:53,496 Quit you. 73 00:02:53,606 --> 00:02:54,664 I was a wreck. 74 00:02:54,774 --> 00:02:56,537 I mean, every, uh... 75 00:02:56,643 --> 00:02:58,440 every bad thing that had ever happened to me, 76 00:02:58,545 --> 00:03:00,274 every mistake I had ever made 77 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:03,076 was running in my head on a loop. 78 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:04,650 Like a swarm of bees. 79 00:03:06,653 --> 00:03:08,018 And then I heard about 80 00:03:08,121 --> 00:03:10,988 this neurologist, Eugene Lustig, and... 81 00:03:12,425 --> 00:03:14,985 So I tracked him down. 82 00:03:15,094 --> 00:03:16,994 I figured, you know, why not... 83 00:03:17,096 --> 00:03:19,724 donate my body to science before I was dead? 84 00:03:21,734 --> 00:03:23,998 Maybe in the process, I wouldn't crack up. 85 00:03:24,103 --> 00:03:27,539 Then I-I joined a research group, 86 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:29,403 with five other people. 87 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:30,908 The first of what became known as 88 00:03:31,010 --> 00:03:34,036 Highly Superior Autobiographical Memory. 89 00:03:34,147 --> 00:03:35,637 HSAM. 90 00:03:35,748 --> 00:03:37,375 Were you still in touch with him? 91 00:03:37,483 --> 00:03:39,849 No, not for years. It's... 92 00:03:42,722 --> 00:03:46,624 Gene Lustig is the reason I didn't crack up. 93 00:03:51,631 --> 00:03:53,963 Not exactly lived-in. 94 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:56,934 You'd expect a few books at least. 95 00:03:57,036 --> 00:03:58,162 Know if he was married? 96 00:03:58,271 --> 00:03:59,932 He was. 97 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:01,131 Getting divorced, actually. 98 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:02,469 I just talked to the neighbor. 99 00:04:02,575 --> 00:04:04,008 She said Lustig moved in a month ago 100 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:05,099 after breaking up with his wife. 101 00:04:05,211 --> 00:04:06,473 Neighbor know him well? 102 00:04:06,579 --> 00:04:09,047 It occurred to me, but she says no. 103 00:04:09,148 --> 00:04:10,342 But she did say Lustig was having 104 00:04:10,450 --> 00:04:11,348 a bunch of health problems, 105 00:04:11,451 --> 00:04:13,316 was down in the dumps lately. 106 00:04:13,419 --> 00:04:14,977 And judging by how clean this place is... 107 00:04:15,088 --> 00:04:17,147 no sign of struggle or forced entry... 108 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:18,281 kind of makes you wonder. 109 00:04:18,391 --> 00:04:20,120 What are you saying? Suicide? 110 00:04:22,729 --> 00:04:25,220 You find a suicide note? 111 00:04:25,331 --> 00:04:26,958 Any kind of drugs for depression? 112 00:04:27,066 --> 00:04:29,261 No, but, you know, still doesn't mean... 113 00:04:29,369 --> 00:04:30,666 Then I'm not buying it. 114 00:04:33,406 --> 00:04:35,636 AL: Railing's too high. 115 00:04:35,742 --> 00:04:38,370 We can cross off "accident." 116 00:04:44,617 --> 00:04:45,606 WEBSTER: ...came down 12 stories. 117 00:04:45,718 --> 00:04:47,583 Pushed, jumped or fell... 118 00:04:47,687 --> 00:04:49,814 There was a geranium right there. 119 00:04:49,922 --> 00:04:50,946 There was a plant. 120 00:04:51,057 --> 00:04:52,115 How you got geranium, I don't know. 121 00:04:52,225 --> 00:04:54,318 Because I saw it down below. 122 00:04:54,427 --> 00:04:56,452 Bits of clay, dirt... 123 00:04:59,999 --> 00:05:03,833 Gene's attacker... 124 00:05:03,936 --> 00:05:06,530 rushes him and throws him over, 125 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:08,106 but Gene grabs on to the railing. 126 00:05:08,207 --> 00:05:09,765 So in order to break his grip, 127 00:05:09,876 --> 00:05:12,037 the attacker picks up the first thing he can find, 128 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:13,510 and... smash. 129 00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:15,478 The flower pot goes over, too. 130 00:05:15,581 --> 00:05:17,981 We don't know the flower pot is connected to this, 131 00:05:18,084 --> 00:05:19,881 we don't know how many people were involved, 132 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:21,544 we don't know for sure he didn't jump. 133 00:05:21,654 --> 00:05:23,781 We'll get Webster on it, 134 00:05:23,890 --> 00:05:25,653 and CSU will take a look at the clay fragments. 135 00:05:25,758 --> 00:05:27,487 I knew Gene Lustig. 136 00:05:27,593 --> 00:05:29,356 He was one of the most positive, vibrant people 137 00:05:29,462 --> 00:05:30,588 I have ever met. 138 00:05:30,697 --> 00:05:32,096 He gave me hope when I had none, 139 00:05:32,198 --> 00:05:34,359 and that's not easy to do. 140 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:37,994 He didn't commit suicide. 141 00:05:55,455 --> 00:05:56,717 Three fingers are broken, 142 00:05:56,823 --> 00:05:58,313 each between the first and second knuckle. 143 00:05:58,424 --> 00:06:01,621 Also... 144 00:06:01,728 --> 00:06:06,392 I found topsoil in his scalp and under his shirt collar. 145 00:06:06,499 --> 00:06:09,900 Absent your flower pot theory, I came up with nothing. 146 00:06:10,002 --> 00:06:12,027 His neighbor said he had some kind of health problems. 147 00:06:12,138 --> 00:06:14,003 - Did you find anything? - Oh. 148 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:15,665 Jumped right out at me. 149 00:06:15,775 --> 00:06:16,969 He had cancer. 150 00:06:17,076 --> 00:06:17,974 Cancer? 151 00:06:18,077 --> 00:06:19,169 Mm-hmm. 152 00:06:19,278 --> 00:06:20,540 See those little white dots? 153 00:06:20,646 --> 00:06:22,079 Radioactive tubes. 154 00:06:22,181 --> 00:06:23,170 Brachytherapy. 155 00:06:23,282 --> 00:06:24,306 Prostate cancer. 156 00:06:24,417 --> 00:06:25,782 Exactly. Treated early, 157 00:06:25,885 --> 00:06:27,876 the success rate is... 158 00:06:27,987 --> 00:06:30,478 95%/ after 15 years. 159 00:06:30,590 --> 00:06:32,558 So then that would not be a reason 160 00:06:32,658 --> 00:06:34,387 for him to jump off a balcony. 161 00:06:34,494 --> 00:06:35,392 Right. 162 00:06:35,495 --> 00:06:37,486 Oh, Carrie, I'm so sorry. 163 00:06:37,597 --> 00:06:38,928 Al told me you knew him. 164 00:06:39,031 --> 00:06:41,727 Were you his student? 165 00:06:41,834 --> 00:06:43,699 More like his object of study. 166 00:06:43,803 --> 00:06:46,931 I can't imagine you being a lab rat. 167 00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:48,063 I was difficult. 168 00:06:48,174 --> 00:06:50,335 I tried to chew through the bars on my cage. 169 00:06:50,443 --> 00:06:51,603 (laughs) 170 00:06:51,711 --> 00:06:53,838 Look, I know I'm not the detective on this, 171 00:06:53,946 --> 00:06:54,970 but I'm with you. 172 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:57,015 Your friend had help going over that balcony. 173 00:06:59,118 --> 00:07:01,052 - Carrie! - Oh. 174 00:07:01,154 --> 00:07:02,712 (laughs): I'm sorry, I didn't mean to startle you. 175 00:07:02,822 --> 00:07:03,914 Hi. That's okay. 176 00:07:04,023 --> 00:07:05,320 May I call you Carrie? 177 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:06,392 Yeah, sure, sure. 178 00:07:06,492 --> 00:07:07,459 Great. Come on. 179 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,084 I want to tell you all about 180 00:07:09,195 --> 00:07:10,287 this little study I've dreamed up. 181 00:07:10,396 --> 00:07:11,420 Okay. 182 00:07:11,531 --> 00:07:13,829 No needles, no electrodes, I assure you. 183 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:15,298 Oh, well, that's... that's a relief. 184 00:07:15,401 --> 00:07:18,632 (chuckles) Just simple questions to gauge the capacity 185 00:07:18,738 --> 00:07:20,467 of your marvelous mind. 186 00:07:20,573 --> 00:07:22,837 I don't know about "marvelous." 187 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:25,001 Save the modesty for Terry Gross. 188 00:07:25,111 --> 00:07:26,703 This is science. 189 00:07:26,813 --> 00:07:29,441 Next week, I want to have you meet the others. 190 00:07:29,549 --> 00:07:30,607 Others? 191 00:07:30,716 --> 00:07:33,514 Yeah, the other study subjects. 192 00:07:33,619 --> 00:07:37,316 Oh, did you think you were alone? 193 00:07:45,565 --> 00:07:46,896 It's okay. 194 00:07:46,999 --> 00:07:48,330 You can go. 195 00:07:48,434 --> 00:07:49,833 I'll take good care of him. 196 00:07:49,936 --> 00:07:51,369 Thanks, Jo. 197 00:07:56,075 --> 00:07:59,306 Nothing on the surveillance video from Lustig's building. 198 00:07:59,412 --> 00:08:01,642 The camera in the lobby shows him entering alone. 199 00:08:01,747 --> 00:08:03,578 No cameras at all in the basement or garage. 200 00:08:03,683 --> 00:08:05,241 Any prints off the flower pot? 201 00:08:05,351 --> 00:08:06,875 CSU has to reassemble it first. 202 00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:08,351 We're talking pellets. 203 00:08:08,454 --> 00:08:10,217 I wouldn't hold your breath. 204 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:12,291 Well, it looks like the ex-wife's clean. 205 00:08:12,391 --> 00:08:13,949 Friends say the divorce was amicable, 206 00:08:14,060 --> 00:08:15,789 and she's been in Europe for five weeks. 207 00:08:15,895 --> 00:08:17,123 So she's out of the picture. 208 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:18,788 But I wouldn't come to you without something. 209 00:08:18,898 --> 00:08:22,026 Been digging around at the university. 210 00:08:22,134 --> 00:08:24,625 Meet Alwyn Pierce. 211 00:08:24,737 --> 00:08:26,568 Assistant Professor of Neurology at Algonquian. 212 00:08:26,672 --> 00:08:28,572 Former graduate student of our Dr. Lustig. 213 00:08:28,674 --> 00:08:30,039 Something of a protégé. 214 00:08:30,142 --> 00:08:32,007 Lustig had high hopes for this lady. 215 00:08:32,111 --> 00:08:33,135 Apparently she had high hopes, too, 216 00:08:33,246 --> 00:08:34,406 but they never panned out. 217 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:36,448 According to some of the faculty members I spoke to, 218 00:08:36,549 --> 00:08:37,538 she was pretty difficult. 219 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:39,515 Just last month, she was denied tenure. 220 00:08:39,619 --> 00:08:40,881 How'd she take it? 221 00:08:40,987 --> 00:08:42,147 Not good. 222 00:08:42,255 --> 00:08:44,155 It all blew up at a faculty meeting a week ago. 223 00:08:44,257 --> 00:08:45,815 She accused Lustig of rigging the vote. 224 00:08:45,925 --> 00:08:47,586 - Did she? - She did. 225 00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:49,718 And according to folks at that meeting, she really went off. 226 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:52,423 They had to call campus security. 227 00:08:53,933 --> 00:08:55,696 (school bell ringing) 228 00:08:55,801 --> 00:08:56,790 CARRIE: Alwyn? 229 00:08:56,903 --> 00:08:58,234 Alwyn Pierce? 230 00:09:00,339 --> 00:09:02,204 - Carrie Wells. - Yeah, we met years ago, 231 00:09:02,308 --> 00:09:04,071 in Gene's first HSAM study. 232 00:09:04,176 --> 00:09:05,734 Yes, I know. I remember. 233 00:09:05,845 --> 00:09:06,903 Lieutenant Al Burns. 234 00:09:07,013 --> 00:09:09,208 Of course. 235 00:09:09,315 --> 00:09:10,543 You're here because of Gene. 236 00:09:10,650 --> 00:09:12,550 You guys worked together for a long time. 237 00:09:12,652 --> 00:09:13,812 This must be hard for you. 238 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,410 It is. 239 00:09:15,521 --> 00:09:16,510 AL: Though we understand 240 00:09:16,622 --> 00:09:18,089 you two had your differences lately. 241 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:21,250 Perhaps, but professional squabbles 242 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,521 seem irrelevant at times like these. 243 00:09:23,629 --> 00:09:25,358 CARRIE: As opposed to a week ago, 244 00:09:25,464 --> 00:09:26,624 when professional squabbles 245 00:09:26,732 --> 00:09:28,700 led to you being escorted from a faculty meeting 246 00:09:28,801 --> 00:09:30,393 by four security guards. 247 00:09:30,503 --> 00:09:33,472 I worked with Gene for ten years. 248 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:35,541 And I felt I earned his support. 249 00:09:35,641 --> 00:09:37,438 Instead, he blackballed me. 250 00:09:37,543 --> 00:09:40,068 So draw your own conclusions about our "differences." 251 00:09:40,179 --> 00:09:41,476 Why would he blackball you? 252 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:42,809 I have no idea. 253 00:09:42,915 --> 00:09:44,906 If he were alive, you could ask him yourself. 254 00:09:45,017 --> 00:09:47,417 You know, we don't need to ask him. 255 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,715 According to a transcript from the tenure committee, 256 00:09:49,822 --> 00:09:51,585 Gene thought your work displayed... 257 00:09:51,691 --> 00:09:54,251 and I don't think I'm getting this wrong... 258 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,657 "a shoddy methodology 259 00:09:55,761 --> 00:09:57,194 bordering on fraudulent." 260 00:09:57,296 --> 00:09:59,025 Now, that... that had to hurt. 261 00:09:59,131 --> 00:10:01,224 That was a joke. 262 00:10:01,334 --> 00:10:02,858 Especially since his work 263 00:10:02,969 --> 00:10:03,867 was sloppy and mediocre. 264 00:10:03,970 --> 00:10:05,733 I was a part of Gene's work. 265 00:10:05,838 --> 00:10:08,363 There was nothing mediocre or sloppy about it. 266 00:10:08,474 --> 00:10:11,409 Where you were between the hours of 6:00 and 7:00 this morning? 267 00:10:11,510 --> 00:10:12,636 Wait a minute. 268 00:10:12,745 --> 00:10:15,373 I got denied tenure, and I blame Eugene Lustig, 269 00:10:15,481 --> 00:10:17,039 but I sure as hell didn't kill him. 270 00:10:17,149 --> 00:10:19,379 You sure as hell didn't answer my question. 271 00:10:19,485 --> 00:10:22,648 I was asleep, in my bed, by myself. 272 00:10:22,755 --> 00:10:24,416 You need proof, talk to my cat. 273 00:10:24,523 --> 00:10:27,151 Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a class to teach. 274 00:10:29,195 --> 00:10:30,958 ELIOT: She make any physica/ threats? 275 00:10:31,063 --> 00:10:32,690 "I'll ruin your life. 276 00:10:32,798 --> 00:10:33,890 "You'll regret what you've done. 277 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,399 You'll be sorry." That sort of thing. 278 00:10:35,501 --> 00:10:37,526 Sounds like my daily staff meeting at the mayor's office. 279 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:38,865 Anything else? 280 00:10:38,971 --> 00:10:40,438 Well, we're trying to find something more concrete, 281 00:10:40,539 --> 00:10:42,803 see if we can work up a warrant to search her place. 282 00:10:42,908 --> 00:10:44,569 Please, Burns, with all deliberate speed? 283 00:10:44,677 --> 00:10:46,975 Algonquian University pumps $9 billion 284 00:10:47,079 --> 00:10:48,706 into this city's economy every year. 285 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:51,248 I know, I thought it was a typo, too. It's not. 286 00:10:51,350 --> 00:10:53,318 Having this on the front page of The Times 287 00:10:53,419 --> 00:10:55,546 irritates the mayor, who then irritates me. 288 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:56,747 That's a lot of irritation. 289 00:10:56,856 --> 00:10:57,914 You need more on this woman, 290 00:10:58,024 --> 00:10:59,355 and you're not gonna find it here. 291 00:10:59,458 --> 00:11:01,426 Would it help to know that she's a thief? 292 00:11:01,527 --> 00:11:02,494 Check this out. 293 00:11:02,595 --> 00:11:04,927 I followed up with campus security. 294 00:11:05,031 --> 00:11:06,896 Got them to give me all the Neuro Lab 295 00:11:06,999 --> 00:11:08,091 surveillance footage since that faculty meeting 296 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,292 where Alwyn went off. 297 00:11:09,402 --> 00:11:11,666 2:30 a.m., one day after the tenure meeting. 298 00:11:11,771 --> 00:11:12,965 Alwyn enters the lab, 299 00:11:13,072 --> 00:11:14,937 and she heads for a cabinet by Lustig's desk. 300 00:11:15,041 --> 00:11:16,702 She opens the cabinet. 301 00:11:20,112 --> 00:11:21,841 Right there. That box. 302 00:11:21,947 --> 00:11:24,006 Security say she was authorized to be there? 303 00:11:24,116 --> 00:11:25,447 Definitely not. 304 00:11:25,551 --> 00:11:27,781 That's trespassing. 305 00:11:27,887 --> 00:11:28,876 Forget the search warrant. 306 00:11:28,988 --> 00:11:30,956 - Go pick her up. - Right. 307 00:11:34,727 --> 00:11:36,627 (knocking on door) 308 00:11:36,729 --> 00:11:40,597 Alwyn Pierce, I repeat, this is the NYPD. 309 00:11:47,740 --> 00:11:49,367 MURRAY: Alwyn Pierce? 310 00:11:49,475 --> 00:11:51,204 Alwyn? 311 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:03,017 Well, we can rule out your garden-variety robbery. 312 00:12:03,122 --> 00:12:04,885 Money, credit cards, all here. 313 00:12:04,990 --> 00:12:07,083 No sign of forced entry, no struggle. 314 00:12:07,193 --> 00:12:08,421 She let them in. 315 00:12:08,527 --> 00:12:10,324 Yeah, that's how I read it, too. 316 00:12:10,429 --> 00:12:13,728 Her phone shows one 45-second call at 6:30. 317 00:12:13,833 --> 00:12:16,700 Traces back to a pay phone at a gas station in Brooklyn. 318 00:12:16,802 --> 00:12:19,100 We'll check for surveillance cams. 319 00:12:33,853 --> 00:12:35,184 Al? 320 00:12:39,225 --> 00:12:41,420 That's the box Alwyn took from Lustig's office. 321 00:12:41,527 --> 00:12:43,859 CARRIE: These are tapes from Gene's HSAM study... 322 00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:45,863 from my HSAM study. 323 00:12:48,834 --> 00:12:50,096 December 3rd was a Friday. 324 00:12:50,202 --> 00:12:51,669 I got off early, so I went 325 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:54,706 to a 4:30 show of Unbreakab/e. 326 00:12:54,807 --> 00:12:56,570 - With a friend? - Alone. 327 00:12:56,675 --> 00:12:58,006 It was at the Syracuse Odeon. 328 00:12:58,110 --> 00:12:59,008 Wow, it was cheap. 329 00:12:59,111 --> 00:13:00,408 It was four bucks. 330 00:13:00,513 --> 00:13:01,707 Any trailers? 331 00:13:01,814 --> 00:13:03,748 Previews. We call them trailers in New York. 332 00:13:03,849 --> 00:13:05,476 CARRIE: No, I know, I know what they are. 333 00:13:05,584 --> 00:13:06,642 You all right? 334 00:13:06,752 --> 00:13:08,413 Yeah. It's just weird, you know? 335 00:13:08,521 --> 00:13:10,216 One thing to remember something, 336 00:13:10,322 --> 00:13:13,348 it's another thing to actually see yourself. 337 00:13:13,459 --> 00:13:16,292 That girl doesn't exist anymore. 338 00:13:16,395 --> 00:13:19,455 Those were tough years, after Syracuse. 339 00:13:19,565 --> 00:13:22,090 Wish I'd been there to help. 340 00:13:22,201 --> 00:13:24,260 I had to learn to help myself. 341 00:13:25,838 --> 00:13:27,965 Okay, enough of this. 342 00:13:28,073 --> 00:13:30,598 What does it matter if I had blueberries on my oatmeal 343 00:13:30,709 --> 00:13:33,007 five years, two months, three weeks ago on a Friday? 344 00:13:33,112 --> 00:13:34,079 Come on, Carrie. 345 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:35,078 And I didn't. 346 00:13:35,181 --> 00:13:36,273 I had bananas. 347 00:13:36,382 --> 00:13:37,610 Do you see, Gene? 348 00:13:37,716 --> 00:13:39,240 It's relentless! It doesn't stop! 349 00:13:39,351 --> 00:13:42,377 Carrie, people like me, our experiences, 350 00:13:42,488 --> 00:13:44,956 all our little joys, just slip through our fingers. 351 00:13:45,057 --> 00:13:46,922 You get to hold on to them. 352 00:13:47,026 --> 00:13:48,084 You should celebrate that. 353 00:13:48,194 --> 00:13:50,355 I can't let them go! 354 00:13:50,462 --> 00:13:52,623 You keep telling me how wonderful it is 355 00:13:52,731 --> 00:13:54,756 that I remember everything. 356 00:13:54,867 --> 00:13:57,028 I can't... forget. 357 00:13:57,136 --> 00:13:58,694 There's a difference. 358 00:14:00,706 --> 00:14:02,105 Sometimes you forget. 359 00:14:02,208 --> 00:14:03,800 - Never! - Once. 360 00:14:03,909 --> 00:14:05,706 Your sister Rachel. 361 00:14:05,811 --> 00:14:09,838 Would it help you to know why? 362 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:12,912 Yes. 363 00:14:13,018 --> 00:14:14,610 You're all struggling. 364 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:15,744 You know Todd? 365 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,083 The loud guy. 366 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:21,455 He likes to scramble up big rocks without a rope. 367 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,620 And beautiful gentle Lena? 368 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:25,924 She's seen Terms of Endearment, 369 00:14:26,031 --> 00:14:28,192 (chuckles): Like, 400 times. 370 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:30,325 Cries her eyes out every single time. 371 00:14:30,436 --> 00:14:32,666 And you and Ruth, 372 00:14:32,771 --> 00:14:33,829 - you like gambling, right? - Okay. 373 00:14:33,939 --> 00:14:36,373 - High stakes poker, blackjack? - Yes. So? 374 00:14:36,475 --> 00:14:39,410 So, we don't know the science exactly yet, 375 00:14:39,511 --> 00:14:43,106 but under the influence of intense experience, 376 00:14:43,215 --> 00:14:45,410 the brain is flooded with adrenaline. 377 00:14:45,517 --> 00:14:48,577 That's a key building block of memory. 378 00:14:48,687 --> 00:14:51,053 Too much adrenaline... 379 00:14:51,156 --> 00:14:53,852 it erases memory. 380 00:14:53,959 --> 00:14:56,484 There's a name for it: Psychogenic amnesia. 381 00:14:56,595 --> 00:14:58,495 Kind of like a memory hole? 382 00:14:58,597 --> 00:15:00,394 Exactly. 383 00:15:00,499 --> 00:15:02,660 Jumping off bridges on a bungee cord, 384 00:15:02,768 --> 00:15:07,501 betting the house on red 22... 385 00:15:07,606 --> 00:15:09,506 the death of a loved one... 386 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:13,572 The most loved one. 387 00:15:18,817 --> 00:15:22,082 You memory guys are all risk takers, 388 00:15:22,187 --> 00:15:23,279 adrenaline junkies. 389 00:15:23,389 --> 00:15:26,517 The rush engenders 390 00:15:26,625 --> 00:15:29,526 a little benign forgetting. 391 00:15:29,628 --> 00:15:32,119 So what you're saying... 392 00:15:32,231 --> 00:15:35,826 I'm saying you're okay, Carrie Wells. 393 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:39,427 But listen, if in your leisure hours 394 00:15:39,538 --> 00:15:41,005 you're planning to play with fire, 395 00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:43,074 just do me a favor, huh? 396 00:15:45,077 --> 00:15:46,305 Don't get burned? 397 00:15:46,412 --> 00:15:47,811 Don't get caught. 398 00:15:47,913 --> 00:15:49,380 (laughs) 399 00:15:53,686 --> 00:15:55,586 Hey, Carrie, 400 00:15:55,688 --> 00:15:58,213 you got any idea why 401 00:15:58,324 --> 00:16:00,758 Alwyn would have been tracking your old memory jocks? 402 00:16:00,859 --> 00:16:03,384 I followed up on all those phone records, 403 00:16:03,495 --> 00:16:05,622 and in the days after she stole the tapes, 404 00:16:05,731 --> 00:16:07,596 Alwyn contacted Todd Blasingame, 405 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,066 Ruth Meaney and Dale Parsons. 406 00:16:10,169 --> 00:16:12,330 All participants in your study with Lustig, right? 407 00:16:12,438 --> 00:16:14,497 I don't know why she didn't call the other three. 408 00:16:14,606 --> 00:16:15,732 Well, Lena committed suicide 409 00:16:15,841 --> 00:16:17,103 a year after the memory study, 410 00:16:17,209 --> 00:16:19,404 Tomas moved to Korea to study 411 00:16:19,511 --> 00:16:20,705 being a Buddhist monk. 412 00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:21,711 Still leaves you. 413 00:16:21,814 --> 00:16:22,940 Maybe she did call. 414 00:16:23,048 --> 00:16:25,039 Your old number in Syracuse. 415 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:26,515 By now, it would be assigned to someone else. 416 00:16:26,618 --> 00:16:27,949 The question is: Why? 417 00:16:28,053 --> 00:16:29,486 Why did she call? 418 00:16:29,588 --> 00:16:31,954 We got to talk to them. 419 00:16:32,057 --> 00:16:32,955 Stay on those tapes. 420 00:16:33,058 --> 00:16:34,252 I got a feeling we find out 421 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,055 what Alwyn was looking for, we find our killer. 422 00:16:37,796 --> 00:16:39,229 WOMAN: Hi. May I help you? 423 00:16:39,331 --> 00:16:41,561 Yeah, we're here to see Dale Parsons. 424 00:16:41,667 --> 00:16:43,532 WOMAN: Oh, he's actually busy with a client right now. 425 00:16:43,635 --> 00:16:44,727 With you in a sec, Carrie. 426 00:16:44,837 --> 00:16:46,828 Haven't seen this guy in nine years? 427 00:16:46,939 --> 00:16:49,772 That's why it's called "highly superior memory," Al. 428 00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:50,773 PARSONS: Sorry. 429 00:16:50,876 --> 00:16:52,138 Got a bear of an audit. 430 00:16:52,244 --> 00:16:53,836 Some clients, they just never learn. 431 00:16:53,946 --> 00:16:55,641 Carrie Wells. 432 00:16:55,748 --> 00:16:56,806 Love your new look. 433 00:16:56,915 --> 00:16:58,610 So... unencumbered. 434 00:16:59,752 --> 00:17:00,650 Dale Parsons. 435 00:17:00,753 --> 00:17:01,947 Al Burns, NYPD. 436 00:17:02,054 --> 00:17:03,385 Ah, you're here about Alwyn. 437 00:17:04,323 --> 00:17:05,449 - Gene, too. - So sad. 438 00:17:05,557 --> 00:17:07,787 But I-I read that that was a suicide. 439 00:17:07,893 --> 00:17:09,690 Do you think that they're connected? 440 00:17:09,795 --> 00:17:12,025 You know, she called me last Monday. 441 00:17:12,131 --> 00:17:13,325 Really? What did she want? 442 00:17:13,432 --> 00:17:16,833 She tried to recruit me for some follow-up HSAM study. 443 00:17:16,935 --> 00:17:18,994 Chance to make a name for herself, 444 00:17:19,104 --> 00:17:20,366 I suppose. 445 00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:22,269 She was always pretty ambitious, Alwyn. 446 00:17:22,374 --> 00:17:24,467 Even as a grad student. 447 00:17:24,576 --> 00:17:26,976 Remember, Carrie, when she asked Lustig if she could sit in 448 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:29,070 on Ruth Meaney's second interview? 449 00:17:29,181 --> 00:17:30,341 Yeah, how could I forget? 450 00:17:30,449 --> 00:17:31,381 January 19, 2004. 451 00:17:31,483 --> 00:17:32,711 It was a Monday. 452 00:17:32,818 --> 00:17:33,842 Around 11:15. 453 00:17:33,952 --> 00:17:35,419 11:16. 454 00:17:35,521 --> 00:17:36,988 Fifteen. 455 00:17:37,089 --> 00:17:38,750 (clears throat) If you say so. 456 00:17:38,857 --> 00:17:40,188 I do. 457 00:17:40,292 --> 00:17:44,592 So, Alwyn... what'd you tell her? 458 00:17:44,696 --> 00:17:46,459 Well, I said, "Please, get back in a room 459 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:47,463 with those lemon heads?" 460 00:17:47,566 --> 00:17:48,590 Who you calling a lemon head, Dale? 461 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:50,861 Who's got time, anyway? 462 00:17:50,969 --> 00:17:52,197 Did Professor Pierce talk about 463 00:17:52,304 --> 00:17:53,635 her relationship with Dr. Lustig? 464 00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:54,671 Not a word. 465 00:17:54,773 --> 00:17:56,536 She just said that she was trying 466 00:17:56,642 --> 00:17:57,870 to update an earlier study. 467 00:17:57,976 --> 00:18:00,206 And like I said, I told her thanks, but no thanks. 468 00:18:00,312 --> 00:18:02,337 I'd say, "Call if you remember anything else," 469 00:18:02,448 --> 00:18:03,847 but I've learned there's no point. 470 00:18:03,949 --> 00:18:05,211 (chuckles) 471 00:18:05,317 --> 00:18:07,114 It's good to see you again, Carrie, and a pleasure 472 00:18:07,219 --> 00:18:09,278 to meet you, Al, but I must say, 473 00:18:09,388 --> 00:18:11,288 you're not exactly as Carrie described you. 474 00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:13,187 Mary, can you give me a hand with the Elderton? 475 00:18:13,292 --> 00:18:15,920 How is it I came up in your memory study? 476 00:18:16,028 --> 00:18:18,155 Gene wanted us to deal with some memories 477 00:18:18,263 --> 00:18:19,491 accompanied by strong emotions. 478 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:21,532 And how exactly did you describe me? 479 00:18:21,633 --> 00:18:23,999 Well, I'm not really sure. 480 00:18:24,103 --> 00:18:25,400 You don't remember? 481 00:18:25,504 --> 00:18:27,062 All right, fine. 482 00:18:27,172 --> 00:18:29,538 I may have given you... 483 00:18:29,641 --> 00:18:32,269 a lisp, a wandering eye and really bad dandruff. 484 00:18:32,377 --> 00:18:34,311 But we had broken up, and I was mad. 485 00:18:34,413 --> 00:18:36,711 Nice. 486 00:18:36,815 --> 00:18:38,476 Let's go, lemon head. 487 00:18:38,584 --> 00:18:40,484 Hey, Vita Club members, Todd Blasingame coming at you 488 00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:43,680 from beautiful, beautiful San Marco Key. 489 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:46,815 Now, did you know my limited production Memory Serum contains 490 00:18:46,925 --> 00:18:48,256 the fermented extracts 491 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,988 of over 38 tropical fruits and berries? 492 00:18:51,096 --> 00:18:52,188 - (bell ringing) - MAN: Cut! 493 00:18:52,297 --> 00:18:53,525 All right, guys, let's reset it back to one. 494 00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:54,792 Lauren, honey, I'm gonna need a touch-up. 495 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:55,958 I'm sorry. 496 00:18:56,068 --> 00:18:57,763 So you were asking me about poor Alwyn Pierce. 497 00:18:57,870 --> 00:18:59,770 Yeah. Did you speak with her in the last week? 498 00:18:59,872 --> 00:19:01,965 No, but I saw her name on my call list. 499 00:19:02,074 --> 00:19:03,769 Hundred calls a day, can't return them all. 500 00:19:03,876 --> 00:19:05,935 Hmm. Any idea why she was calling? 501 00:19:06,044 --> 00:19:07,306 Thanks, hon. I'm good. 502 00:19:07,412 --> 00:19:09,107 Not a clue. 503 00:19:09,214 --> 00:19:11,148 Go ahead. 504 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:13,343 - Hit me. - Hit you? 505 00:19:13,452 --> 00:19:14,510 Yeah, you know, with the question. 506 00:19:14,620 --> 00:19:16,588 You know, where was I the night of blah-blah-blah? 507 00:19:16,688 --> 00:19:18,747 Okay. Monday morning, Tuesday night, 508 00:19:18,857 --> 00:19:20,154 where were you, Mr. Blasingame? 509 00:19:20,259 --> 00:19:21,726 Call me Todd. 510 00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:22,851 Norway. 511 00:19:22,961 --> 00:19:24,394 You were in Norway? 512 00:19:24,496 --> 00:19:26,225 Jus got back this morning. 513 00:19:26,331 --> 00:19:27,889 Have you ever heard of Trollveggen? 514 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,867 3,600-foot vertical cliff. 515 00:19:30,969 --> 00:19:32,493 (laughs) Outstanding! 516 00:19:32,604 --> 00:19:33,901 I BASE-jumped it. (whistles) 517 00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:36,531 So when's the last time you saw Dr. Lustig? 518 00:19:36,642 --> 00:19:38,769 February 17, 2009. Tuesday. 519 00:19:38,877 --> 00:19:40,208 That was the day I settled 520 00:19:40,312 --> 00:19:41,939 that little nuisance lawsuit he cooked up. 521 00:19:42,047 --> 00:19:43,776 Hmm, he didn't want you using his name 522 00:19:43,882 --> 00:19:45,406 in promotion for your memory products. 523 00:19:45,517 --> 00:19:47,382 JAY: $500,000 in punitive 524 00:19:47,486 --> 00:19:49,681 and lawyer fees, Mr. Blasing... 525 00:19:49,788 --> 00:19:51,915 Sorry. Todd. 526 00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:53,548 Weren't you even a little upset? 527 00:19:53,659 --> 00:19:55,456 (giggles) 528 00:19:55,561 --> 00:19:57,654 You see that? 529 00:19:57,763 --> 00:19:59,526 And I'm not talking about the beauties. 530 00:19:59,631 --> 00:20:01,861 This uses your body's own energy 531 00:20:01,967 --> 00:20:03,867 to locate areas that are stressed. 532 00:20:03,969 --> 00:20:06,529 This little puppy has already made me three mil, 533 00:20:06,638 --> 00:20:08,503 and I haven't even shipped a one of 'em. 534 00:20:08,607 --> 00:20:09,596 I don't think I'm upset at anyone. 535 00:20:09,708 --> 00:20:10,470 MAN: Okay, Todd, let's get another one. 536 00:20:10,576 --> 00:20:11,634 Thank you. 537 00:20:11,743 --> 00:20:14,041 You know, I am starting to understand why 538 00:20:14,146 --> 00:20:16,114 Carrie didn't stay in touch with these memory folks. 539 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:17,978 Yeah, you hold on to everything long enough, 540 00:20:18,083 --> 00:20:20,449 it's easy to forget anyone else is out there. 541 00:20:20,552 --> 00:20:22,952 From Mr. Blasingame, with his compliments. 542 00:20:26,725 --> 00:20:28,716 TV ANNOUNCER: And they're heading to the gates 543 00:20:28,827 --> 00:20:30,385 for race number six. 544 00:20:30,495 --> 00:20:31,587 Number three horse... 545 00:20:31,697 --> 00:20:33,995 Carrie Wells, as I live and drink. 546 00:20:34,099 --> 00:20:35,726 Ruth Meaney. 547 00:20:35,834 --> 00:20:39,133 ...number seven, Rosso Brew, with jockey Juan Marquez... 548 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:42,799 Whatever happened to blackjack? 549 00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:44,239 Are you kidding? 550 00:20:44,343 --> 00:20:45,935 My picture's up in every casino 551 00:20:46,044 --> 00:20:47,341 - all across the country. - (chuckles) 552 00:20:47,446 --> 00:20:48,504 There they go. 553 00:20:48,614 --> 00:20:50,605 And it's Vital Jack down the inside... 554 00:20:50,716 --> 00:20:52,149 Who you got? 555 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,843 Claire's Knee, number six. 556 00:20:53,952 --> 00:20:56,682 I got no memory edge for the ponies. 557 00:20:56,788 --> 00:21:00,224 And so what if he ran 2:11 in the mud 558 00:21:00,325 --> 00:21:01,883 a year ago Tuesday? 559 00:21:01,994 --> 00:21:03,757 Look at him now. 560 00:21:05,464 --> 00:21:09,025 With all the booze and dope I've sucked up, 561 00:21:09,134 --> 00:21:12,592 you'd think I'd be brain-dead. 562 00:21:12,704 --> 00:21:14,569 No such luck. 563 00:21:14,673 --> 00:21:17,164 Rosso Brew and Vital Jack are battling it out! 564 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:18,743 And it is Vital Jack... 565 00:21:18,844 --> 00:21:19,833 Run, you schmuck. 566 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:21,435 (patrons murmuring excitedly) 567 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:26,884 Did you hear about Alwyn? 568 00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:29,818 I'm afraid so, yeah. 569 00:21:29,921 --> 00:21:31,320 Come on. 570 00:21:31,423 --> 00:21:34,859 She claimed Lustig goosed the results 571 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,723 of the memory tests. 572 00:21:36,828 --> 00:21:40,662 Oh, you know, try to make it all seem more impressive, 573 00:21:40,766 --> 00:21:43,166 make a bigger splash, dazzle the world. 574 00:21:43,268 --> 00:21:44,997 He would never do that. 575 00:21:45,103 --> 00:21:46,263 He was a legitimate scientist. 576 00:21:46,371 --> 00:21:47,395 Well, you're telling me. 577 00:21:47,506 --> 00:21:51,101 But Alwyn had an axe to grind. 578 00:21:51,209 --> 00:21:53,677 Now, she asked me 579 00:21:53,779 --> 00:21:57,476 if Lustig ever put me up to lying. 580 00:21:59,084 --> 00:22:01,279 Well, did he? 581 00:22:01,386 --> 00:22:03,479 Oh, come on, no! 582 00:22:03,588 --> 00:22:04,680 (chuckles) 583 00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:06,155 Well, Alwyn thought he did. 584 00:22:06,258 --> 00:22:09,022 Well, that-that would be crazy. 585 00:22:09,127 --> 00:22:11,960 Of course it's crazy. 586 00:22:12,064 --> 00:22:14,862 But... I guess there was someone 587 00:22:14,966 --> 00:22:18,367 who told one big old whopper. 588 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:20,495 Someone in our group lied? 589 00:22:20,605 --> 00:22:21,697 Who? 590 00:22:21,807 --> 00:22:23,866 Alwyn wouldn't say. 591 00:22:23,975 --> 00:22:25,875 But, um... 592 00:22:25,977 --> 00:22:29,378 well, it was that one group session we had 593 00:22:29,481 --> 00:22:31,574 is all I know. 594 00:22:31,683 --> 00:22:33,378 Thank you, Ruthie. 595 00:22:33,485 --> 00:22:36,943 You and me, Carrie, we could break the bank. 596 00:22:37,055 --> 00:22:39,523 (laughs): Ooh. 597 00:22:39,624 --> 00:22:40,955 Make a hell of a team. 598 00:22:41,059 --> 00:22:43,527 Unstoppable, indestructible. 599 00:22:43,628 --> 00:22:44,560 Whoa. 600 00:22:44,663 --> 00:22:46,460 Carrie, what's up? 601 00:22:46,565 --> 00:22:49,125 We have to look at the group session. 602 00:22:49,234 --> 00:22:50,565 What group session? 603 00:22:50,669 --> 00:22:53,035 There was only one: January 20, all six of us. 604 00:22:53,138 --> 00:22:54,867 Lustig wanted to see if we could influence 605 00:22:54,973 --> 00:22:56,235 each other's recollections. 606 00:22:56,341 --> 00:22:58,400 Uh, I'm not seeing it, Carrie. 607 00:22:58,510 --> 00:22:59,807 There's no tape for that day. 608 00:22:59,911 --> 00:23:01,310 Check again; there has to be. 609 00:23:01,413 --> 00:23:05,042 Nope. January 15, January 19, January 23. 610 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:06,549 Okay, well, I know 611 00:23:06,651 --> 00:23:10,382 there was a session on the 20th, which means... 612 00:23:10,489 --> 00:23:13,253 someone stole that tape from Alwyn's apartment. 613 00:23:13,358 --> 00:23:15,053 What's so important about that one session? 614 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,493 Alwyn thought someone lied about a memory. 615 00:23:18,597 --> 00:23:22,658 Whatever is on that tape got her and Gene killed. 616 00:23:22,768 --> 00:23:24,702 (engine revving, tires screeching) 617 00:23:26,605 --> 00:23:27,731 Carrie, what's going on? 618 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:29,170 Carrie? 619 00:23:33,812 --> 00:23:35,109 We got no witnesses from the street 620 00:23:35,213 --> 00:23:36,578 or surrounding buildings. 621 00:23:36,681 --> 00:23:39,149 We're looking for footage from secams, traffic cameras, 622 00:23:39,251 --> 00:23:40,946 anything that might have picked up the car. 623 00:23:41,052 --> 00:23:42,576 - Thanks. Stay on it. - Yeah. 624 00:23:42,687 --> 00:23:45,554 ELIOT: So, we know this group session was taped, 625 00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:47,682 but we don't know what's on it, and now it's gone? 626 00:23:47,793 --> 00:23:48,725 It's not gone. 627 00:23:48,827 --> 00:23:50,385 WEBSTER: Hold still, please. 628 00:23:50,495 --> 00:23:52,963 I work so much better when my patients aren't moving. 629 00:23:53,064 --> 00:23:54,861 We have a copy here. 630 00:23:54,966 --> 00:23:56,490 Yeah, we don't need the tape. 631 00:23:56,601 --> 00:23:58,694 I got it in my memory. 632 00:24:00,672 --> 00:24:02,037 What do you need? 633 00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:04,074 Uh, candles, uh, what, some music? 634 00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:05,973 No, no, we just... 635 00:24:06,077 --> 00:24:07,601 a stenographer and a pad of paper 636 00:24:07,712 --> 00:24:08,974 would be great. 637 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,945 You know, it's not a massage, just remembering. 638 00:24:11,049 --> 00:24:13,244 Great. We'll set you up. 639 00:24:15,854 --> 00:24:19,881 It was the first time he put us all together... 640 00:24:19,991 --> 00:24:20,889 the only time. 641 00:24:20,992 --> 00:24:22,220 He brought us 642 00:24:22,327 --> 00:24:26,787 all in a room, sat us in a circle. 643 00:24:26,898 --> 00:24:29,093 All right, everyone, 644 00:24:29,201 --> 00:24:30,634 I am gonna ask about your memories... 645 00:24:30,735 --> 00:24:33,067 CARRIE: And asked us about memories from random days. 646 00:24:33,171 --> 00:24:36,038 Uh, the first one was January 17, 647 00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:37,233 1991. 648 00:24:37,342 --> 00:24:40,243 Tomas said, "That would've been a Thursday. 649 00:24:40,345 --> 00:24:42,506 / had a history test and a term paper." 650 00:24:42,614 --> 00:24:43,512 Todd interrupted. 651 00:24:43,615 --> 00:24:44,582 It was the start of Desert Storm. 652 00:24:44,683 --> 00:24:46,514 Right, I was going to say. And, uh... 653 00:24:46,618 --> 00:24:48,586 "And I was sitting down to study, but my mom..." 654 00:24:48,687 --> 00:24:50,518 Then Gene asked about February 11, 655 00:24:50,622 --> 00:24:52,021 1999. 656 00:24:52,123 --> 00:24:53,351 First to Ruth. 657 00:24:53,458 --> 00:24:54,948 Right, of all days. 658 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:56,152 - Sorry? - Ruth said, 659 00:24:56,261 --> 00:24:57,455 "Well, just 'cause after getting killed 660 00:24:57,562 --> 00:24:59,359 on the Villanova game, which..." 661 00:24:59,464 --> 00:25:00,988 I mean, 111 to 85. 662 00:25:01,099 --> 00:25:02,327 - Come on. - "Come on." 663 00:25:02,434 --> 00:25:03,662 Are we talking basketball? 664 00:25:03,768 --> 00:25:05,360 "What do you think?" Ruth said. 665 00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:07,097 Boomerang chucking? 666 00:25:07,205 --> 00:25:08,399 "Yes, basketball, you egghead." 667 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:09,667 ...you egghead. 668 00:25:09,774 --> 00:25:12,004 Lena, "Wouldn't you know it, they were doing 669 00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:13,600 track work on the Rock Island Line..." 670 00:25:13,712 --> 00:25:15,304 So I had to have Peggy drive me in. 671 00:25:15,413 --> 00:25:16,471 Peggy? 672 00:25:16,581 --> 00:25:17,843 That's my niece. 673 00:25:17,949 --> 00:25:19,610 - Right away, she starts coughing. - "She starts coughing. 674 00:25:19,718 --> 00:25:21,583 "So I said, 'Forget Marshall Field's. 675 00:25:21,686 --> 00:25:23,244 We're going straight to Dr. Rinaldi."' 676 00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:24,879 "February 11, 1999, 677 00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:26,184 "we got a call about a break-in. 678 00:25:26,291 --> 00:25:28,156 "Little two-story colonial 679 00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:29,784 "with yellow trim down on Sterling and Coolidge. 680 00:25:29,895 --> 00:25:31,954 "Turns out it was a couple kids 681 00:25:32,063 --> 00:25:34,327 throwing rocks at the basement windows." 682 00:25:34,432 --> 00:25:36,024 Blasingame, "I mean, anybody could've told you 683 00:25:36,134 --> 00:25:37,863 the new year was gonna be soft." 684 00:25:37,969 --> 00:25:40,836 So, I turned a profit on Intel at the open at 631/8. 685 00:25:40,939 --> 00:25:41,906 "I rolled it over into... 686 00:25:42,007 --> 00:25:43,474 ...June hogs. - June hogs." 687 00:25:43,575 --> 00:25:44,337 Then Gene asked about... 688 00:25:44,442 --> 00:25:46,273 March 6, 1997. 689 00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:48,346 - Da/e Parsons said... - A Thursday. 690 00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:50,107 "I'd just read an article how they're getting 691 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:52,308 record prices at auction houses for art." 692 00:25:52,417 --> 00:25:56,012 - 68.9... ...million dollars for a van Gogh. 693 00:25:56,121 --> 00:25:57,315 How is that even possible? 694 00:25:57,422 --> 00:25:58,719 "It's just paint, people. 695 00:25:58,823 --> 00:26:00,757 "And since I happened to be two blocks from the Met, 696 00:26:00,859 --> 00:26:02,850 I go in that afternoon and ask, 'What's the most..."' 697 00:26:02,961 --> 00:26:04,394 ...expensive painting that you have in here? 698 00:26:04,496 --> 00:26:05,986 Did you get an answer? 699 00:26:06,097 --> 00:26:07,394 A Vermeer. 700 00:26:07,499 --> 00:26:09,729 Uh, Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 701 00:26:09,834 --> 00:26:11,529 "So I went and had a look at it, and you know what?" 702 00:26:11,636 --> 00:26:13,399 It's a young woman with a water pitcher. 703 00:26:13,505 --> 00:26:15,166 - Tomas said... - I love that painting. 704 00:26:15,273 --> 00:26:16,262 - Then Gene asked... - Ruth? 705 00:26:16,374 --> 00:26:17,705 I remembered to bring a sweater, 706 00:26:17,809 --> 00:26:19,003 because 1010 WINS... 707 00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:20,236 "...was saying a high of 40. 708 00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:21,334 What they didn't..." 709 00:26:21,446 --> 00:26:23,209 ...say, the sky was gonna crack open. 710 00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:26,011 It was Saturday, and I'd just gotten my first M3. 711 00:26:26,117 --> 00:26:27,778 - 3.2 liter... - "3.2/iter, 712 00:26:27,886 --> 00:26:29,615 "passion-red, beautiful. 713 00:26:29,721 --> 00:26:32,087 Got pinched for doing 48 in a 35 zone." 714 00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:34,249 Which I don't even consider that speeding. 715 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,417 Gene said, "You"re a// amazing." 716 00:26:35,527 --> 00:26:36,585 You're all amazing. 717 00:26:36,695 --> 00:26:38,663 Uh, there's pizza in the next room. 718 00:26:38,763 --> 00:26:40,094 For those who don't like... 719 00:26:40,198 --> 00:26:42,189 "...pepperoni, there's ham and pineapple. 720 00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:43,824 Save me a slice." 721 00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:45,027 And... 722 00:26:45,136 --> 00:26:46,694 The end? 723 00:26:48,239 --> 00:26:49,263 The end. 724 00:26:52,844 --> 00:26:53,868 AL: Thank you. 725 00:26:53,979 --> 00:26:56,812 You okay? 726 00:26:56,915 --> 00:26:58,542 Tired, sad. 727 00:27:00,151 --> 00:27:02,142 You are amazing. 728 00:27:05,023 --> 00:27:07,287 JAY: I'm just saying, this is a ton of memories. 729 00:27:07,392 --> 00:27:08,381 Which, incredible job, by the way, Carrie, 730 00:27:08,493 --> 00:27:09,755 but if we're gonna verify each one, 731 00:27:09,861 --> 00:27:10,759 it's gonna take forever. 732 00:27:10,862 --> 00:27:11,886 AL: We know Lustig 733 00:27:11,997 --> 00:27:13,589 - was able to do it. - No, he wasn't. 734 00:27:13,698 --> 00:27:15,290 He did random spot-checks. 735 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,561 Yeah, see, but then how did Alwyn do it? 736 00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:19,864 I mean, we're talking about random details 737 00:27:19,971 --> 00:27:22,439 about track work on the Long Island Railroad in 1988. 738 00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:24,440 The price of lamb chops, 1996. 739 00:27:24,542 --> 00:27:25,509 Fourth race at Roosevelt, 1994. 740 00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:27,168 I don't know. 741 00:27:27,278 --> 00:27:30,406 Now, maybe if she was a fan of the trotters or something. 742 00:27:30,515 --> 00:27:31,675 Maybe she was. 743 00:27:31,783 --> 00:27:34,308 I mean, maybe Alwyn found an incorrect memory 744 00:27:34,419 --> 00:27:36,410 in no time at all because it happened to be 745 00:27:36,521 --> 00:27:38,250 in an area of her expertise. 746 00:27:38,356 --> 00:27:40,415 If it was something that jumped out at her... 747 00:27:40,525 --> 00:27:42,356 MURRAY: Money, credit cards, a// here. 748 00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:44,394 No sign of forced entry, no struggle. 749 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:46,794 She let them in. 750 00:27:46,898 --> 00:27:49,799 AL: Yeah, that's how I read it, too. 751 00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:51,198 Her phone shows one 45-second call... 752 00:27:51,302 --> 00:27:54,863 Traces back to a pay phone at a gas station in Brooklyn. 753 00:27:56,808 --> 00:27:58,571 She and Lustig may have been fighting, 754 00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:00,668 but she's got a ton of his books here. 755 00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:05,014 Art. 756 00:28:05,116 --> 00:28:06,447 Alwyn was an art lover. 757 00:28:06,551 --> 00:28:10,749 Books, museum posters... they were all over her apartment. 758 00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:12,550 PARSONS: Since / happened to be two b/ocks 759 00:28:12,657 --> 00:28:14,682 from the Metropolitan Museum, I go in that afternoon. 760 00:28:14,793 --> 00:28:17,626 Vermeer, A Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 761 00:28:17,729 --> 00:28:22,063 Parson said he saw a Vermeer at the Metropolitan. 762 00:28:22,167 --> 00:28:23,293 Young Woman with a Water Pitcher. 763 00:28:23,401 --> 00:28:24,868 Maybe he got the museum wrong? 764 00:28:24,969 --> 00:28:27,267 No, that painting was at the Met. 765 00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:28,430 My cousin Angie works there. 766 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:29,734 It's been in the collection for years. 767 00:28:29,841 --> 00:28:31,240 All right, call her. 768 00:28:31,342 --> 00:28:32,639 My bet is he didn't see it 769 00:28:32,744 --> 00:28:34,575 when he said he did. March 6, 1997. 770 00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:36,704 Find out if the museum was closed, 771 00:28:36,815 --> 00:28:39,249 having a private event, something, anything. 772 00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:40,476 Hey, Ange, it's me. 773 00:28:40,585 --> 00:28:41,609 You by a computer? 774 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,210 What if Parsons just got it wrong? 775 00:28:43,321 --> 00:28:44,652 People make mistakes. No one bats a thousand. 776 00:28:44,756 --> 00:28:45,916 Parsons does. 777 00:28:46,024 --> 00:28:48,015 He scored highest on all of the objective tests. 778 00:28:48,126 --> 00:28:49,150 He beat me. 779 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:52,559 If he got it wrong, he's lying. 780 00:28:52,664 --> 00:28:53,995 You rock, Ange. Yep. 781 00:28:54,099 --> 00:28:55,327 March 6, 1997. 782 00:28:56,835 --> 00:28:58,063 Young Woman with a Water Pitcher 783 00:28:58,169 --> 00:28:59,898 was on loan to the Prado Museum in Madrid. 784 00:29:00,004 --> 00:29:01,130 No way Parsons could've seen it. 785 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:02,331 He is lying. 786 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,634 And whatever he did that day, 787 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:04,766 he wants to keep it secret. 788 00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:06,844 - He'll kill to keep it secret. - Uh-huh. 789 00:29:06,945 --> 00:29:07,843 Jay, check the "crimes" database. 790 00:29:07,946 --> 00:29:10,107 March 6, 1997. 791 00:29:10,215 --> 00:29:11,409 Unsolved murders, anything. 792 00:29:11,516 --> 00:29:13,108 Okay, here we go. 793 00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:15,914 Let's look at the whole tristate area 794 00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:18,079 and unsolved murders. 795 00:29:18,189 --> 00:29:19,850 Widening the jurisdiction. Got it. 796 00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:22,688 Four unsolved murders March 6, 1997. 797 00:29:22,794 --> 00:29:24,853 Now, assuming for the moment that we're not looking 798 00:29:24,963 --> 00:29:27,227 at a gang-related homicide, that narrows it down to... 799 00:29:27,332 --> 00:29:30,028 Valerie Johnson, age 21, CUNY student, 800 00:29:30,135 --> 00:29:32,160 found dead in her car in Farmingdale. 801 00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:34,363 Strangled with clothesline. 802 00:29:38,309 --> 00:29:40,300 Thanks for meeting me, Dale. 803 00:29:40,411 --> 00:29:42,470 If anyone can help us with this thing, it's you. 804 00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:44,741 No problem. I got a client right around the corner, 805 00:29:44,849 --> 00:29:47,784 but I think I already told you everything that I know. 806 00:29:47,886 --> 00:29:49,717 Well, maybe I can learn more 807 00:29:49,821 --> 00:29:51,982 by picking that extraordinary brain of yours. 808 00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:55,389 Well, you'll certainly learn something. 809 00:29:55,493 --> 00:29:59,657 But probably not about what you want to know. 810 00:29:59,764 --> 00:30:02,324 March 6, 1997. 811 00:30:02,433 --> 00:30:03,593 Thursday. 812 00:30:03,701 --> 00:30:04,759 Yes, it was. 813 00:30:04,869 --> 00:30:07,269 What were you doing that afternoon? 814 00:30:07,372 --> 00:30:09,465 Oh, God, you sound like Lustig. 815 00:30:09,574 --> 00:30:11,098 I thought this was about Alwyn. 816 00:30:11,209 --> 00:30:13,837 Well, it is, indirectly. 817 00:30:13,945 --> 00:30:16,243 See, I know what I was doing that afternoon. 818 00:30:16,347 --> 00:30:19,839 I was buying socks and underwear at the Syracuse Dress Barn, 819 00:30:19,951 --> 00:30:23,682 which is not the most exciting or sexy thing in the world, 820 00:30:23,788 --> 00:30:25,153 but at least it's true. 821 00:30:25,256 --> 00:30:26,814 It's not like 822 00:30:26,925 --> 00:30:31,055 the Syracuse Dress Barn just moved to Madrid. 823 00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:34,164 I'm sorry, what was the question again? 824 00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:35,960 March 6, 1997. 825 00:30:36,067 --> 00:30:37,466 - You told our group... - I'm kidding. 826 00:30:37,569 --> 00:30:38,433 That you were at the Metropolitan... 827 00:30:38,536 --> 00:30:39,434 Oh, group session, boring. 828 00:30:39,537 --> 00:30:41,300 ...seeing a painting by Vermeer. 829 00:30:41,406 --> 00:30:44,102 - No, I didn't. - Yes, you did. 830 00:30:44,209 --> 00:30:46,074 Wow, is that what you remember? 831 00:30:46,177 --> 00:30:47,201 Uh-huh. 832 00:30:47,312 --> 00:30:48,836 Sorry. (imitates buzzer) 833 00:30:48,947 --> 00:30:51,472 No, Carrie, on Thursday afternoon, March 6, 834 00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:55,110 I was at the 1:45 p.m. Screening of Donnie Brasco 835 00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:56,187 at Lincoln Square Cinema. 836 00:30:56,287 --> 00:30:57,720 Afterwards, I had sushi at Lenge. 837 00:30:57,822 --> 00:30:59,221 By the time I was finished, 838 00:30:59,324 --> 00:31:00,985 I would've had exactly nine minutes 839 00:31:01,092 --> 00:31:03,322 to get across town to the Met before it closed. 840 00:31:03,428 --> 00:31:05,020 So how could I have seen a Vermeer? 841 00:31:05,129 --> 00:31:07,154 P.S. I don't even like Vermeer. 842 00:31:07,265 --> 00:31:09,529 You said you saw the painting. 843 00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:12,068 It's your memory against mine. 844 00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:13,535 What about the tapes? 845 00:31:13,638 --> 00:31:15,037 Great, check the tape. 846 00:31:15,139 --> 00:31:16,299 You'll see that I am right. 847 00:31:16,407 --> 00:31:19,467 I could always ask Todd, Ruthie. 848 00:31:19,577 --> 00:31:20,601 Sure, ask them. 849 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:21,940 But why bother? 850 00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:24,139 You have the tape, don't you? 851 00:31:24,249 --> 00:31:26,410 Don't you? 852 00:31:29,754 --> 00:31:32,348 (sighs) It's just you against me. 853 00:31:32,457 --> 00:31:34,049 I wouldn't take those odds, 854 00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:36,956 but you're the gambling gal, right? 855 00:31:40,498 --> 00:31:41,829 Are we done? 856 00:31:41,933 --> 00:31:43,400 One more thing, actually. 857 00:31:43,501 --> 00:31:45,765 A little picture for you. 858 00:31:48,106 --> 00:31:49,733 Valerie Johnson. Remember her? 859 00:31:49,841 --> 00:31:51,468 She was a client of yours. 860 00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:53,476 Indeed she was. 861 00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,739 I did her taxes for 1996. 862 00:31:55,847 --> 00:31:58,680 Adjusted gross, $21,380, 863 00:31:58,783 --> 00:32:00,751 total take-home, $25,300. 864 00:32:00,852 --> 00:32:03,082 - She got a $408 refund. - You ever take her home, Dale? 865 00:32:05,123 --> 00:32:08,354 I think I liked you better when you were miserable. 866 00:32:10,895 --> 00:32:12,260 AL: All right. 867 00:32:12,363 --> 00:32:14,524 Thank you. 868 00:32:14,632 --> 00:32:16,224 That was Murray. 869 00:32:16,334 --> 00:32:19,030 She found three more cases, same M.O. 870 00:32:19,137 --> 00:32:21,196 Young women strangled with clothesline. 871 00:32:21,306 --> 00:32:23,706 Poughkeepsie; Binghamton; Cherry Hill, New Jersey. 872 00:32:23,808 --> 00:32:25,969 Each murder corresponds with an audit 873 00:32:26,077 --> 00:32:28,136 Dale Parsons attended on behalf of clients. 874 00:32:28,246 --> 00:32:31,238 Valerie Johnson wasn't his only victim. 875 00:32:31,349 --> 00:32:33,340 He's a serial killer. 876 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,427 I still don't get it. Parsons kills these women, 877 00:32:43,528 --> 00:32:45,086 doesn't leave a trace, 878 00:32:45,196 --> 00:32:46,663 but then makes up a bogus alibi, 879 00:32:46,764 --> 00:32:48,493 knowing Lustig could find out and challenge him? 880 00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,123 It was seven years later. 881 00:32:50,234 --> 00:32:51,929 Gene was picking random days. 882 00:32:52,036 --> 00:32:53,435 Dale wasn't expecting him to ask 883 00:32:53,538 --> 00:32:55,335 about that one day, so he panics, 884 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,135 and he lies. 885 00:32:57,241 --> 00:32:58,765 So based on IRS returns 886 00:32:58,876 --> 00:33:00,400 where Parsons signed on as the responsible accountant, 887 00:33:00,511 --> 00:33:01,842 we could be up to eight victims. 888 00:33:01,946 --> 00:33:03,379 - Oh, my God. - Lf he consulted, 889 00:33:03,481 --> 00:33:04,914 gave investment advice to other women, 890 00:33:05,016 --> 00:33:06,142 who knows how many he killed? 891 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:07,740 - What the hell are you drinking? - Mm. 892 00:33:08,786 --> 00:33:10,185 Blasingame's memory juice. 893 00:33:10,288 --> 00:33:11,448 You know, I hate to admit it, 894 00:33:11,556 --> 00:33:12,682 but I think the guy's onto something. 895 00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:14,485 I read his book. He caught a rattlesnake 896 00:33:14,592 --> 00:33:15,991 with his bare hands in Death Valley. 897 00:33:16,094 --> 00:33:17,288 Guy's a total adrenaline junkie. 898 00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:19,455 LUSTIG: You memory guys 899 00:33:19,564 --> 00:33:21,327 are all risk takers. 900 00:33:21,432 --> 00:33:22,956 Adrenaline junkies. 901 00:33:23,067 --> 00:33:25,228 The rush engenders... 902 00:33:25,336 --> 00:33:27,395 a little benign forgetting. 903 00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:30,303 What time of day was Valerie Johnson murdered? 904 00:33:30,408 --> 00:33:31,898 It was morning sometime. 905 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,570 She was on her way to school, so 8:00, 8:30. 906 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:36,806 We've got to bring Dale Parsons in. 907 00:33:36,914 --> 00:33:38,575 We don't have enough to arrest him. 908 00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:39,911 Can't lock a guy up for lying. 909 00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:42,612 He wasn't lying. 910 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,824 - Hey, Dale. - Hello. 911 00:33:50,928 --> 00:33:52,054 Thanks for coming in. 912 00:33:52,163 --> 00:33:54,324 Never been in an actual interrogation room. 913 00:33:54,432 --> 00:33:55,990 - (laughs) - It's cozy. 914 00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:57,362 And an audience. 915 00:33:57,468 --> 00:33:58,628 Hello, people. 916 00:33:58,736 --> 00:34:00,931 So, what happens now? 917 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,836 You break me? 918 00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:04,464 No. 919 00:34:04,575 --> 00:34:07,237 This is just a conversation; friendly conversation, Dale. 920 00:34:07,345 --> 00:34:08,437 So I won't need, say, a lawyer? 921 00:34:08,546 --> 00:34:10,446 Why would you need a lawyer? 922 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:11,674 You're Dale Parsons. 923 00:34:11,783 --> 00:34:13,182 True. 924 00:34:13,284 --> 00:34:15,275 Okay, friendly conversation, then. 925 00:34:15,386 --> 00:34:17,354 Just, let's not play the day and date game. 926 00:34:17,455 --> 00:34:18,945 So does that mean I can't ask you 927 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,116 about July 12, 1999, 928 00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:23,159 August 27, 2003, 929 00:34:23,261 --> 00:34:24,819 October 11, 2008... 930 00:34:24,929 --> 00:34:26,692 Which were a Monday, a Wednesday and a Saturday. 931 00:34:26,798 --> 00:34:27,992 - Very nice. - Right? 932 00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:29,088 Yes, they were. 933 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,462 You're good. 934 00:34:30,568 --> 00:34:32,058 You know what happened on those days? 935 00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:34,468 You promised. 936 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:37,132 Fine, why don't I tell you what happened on those days. 937 00:34:37,241 --> 00:34:40,472 July 12, 1999. 938 00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:42,546 Tina Davis, murdered. 939 00:34:42,647 --> 00:34:44,547 Strangled to death in her car. 940 00:34:44,649 --> 00:34:48,449 August 27, 2003. 941 00:34:48,553 --> 00:34:51,215 Lakshmi Patel, also murdered. 942 00:34:51,322 --> 00:34:53,620 October 11, 2008. 943 00:34:53,724 --> 00:34:54,782 Gloria Durning. 944 00:34:54,892 --> 00:34:55,881 Same M.O. 945 00:34:55,993 --> 00:34:58,325 All of these young women murdered. 946 00:34:58,429 --> 00:34:59,953 You know any of them? 947 00:35:00,064 --> 00:35:00,962 You're accusing me. 948 00:35:01,065 --> 00:35:02,225 No. 949 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:03,698 No, I'm asking you. 950 00:35:03,801 --> 00:35:05,462 - Now I do need a lawyer. - You only need a lawyer 951 00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:06,798 if you've done something wrong. 952 00:35:06,904 --> 00:35:09,702 Besides, you're smarter than any lawyer I know. 953 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:13,634 I don't know them. 954 00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:16,679 Don't remember them? 955 00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:18,749 (scoffs) 956 00:35:18,850 --> 00:35:19,908 Excuse me? 957 00:35:20,017 --> 00:35:21,678 Don't remember killing them? 958 00:35:24,856 --> 00:35:27,290 You know, despite his terrible jokes, 959 00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:30,792 Gene Lustig was one of the smartest men I ever met. 960 00:35:30,895 --> 00:35:33,420 And he said something to me once, and it helped me a lot. 961 00:35:33,531 --> 00:35:36,432 He said that people like us... 962 00:35:36,534 --> 00:35:38,434 sometimes we need a vacation. 963 00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:40,595 You know, from all the stuff in our heads. 964 00:35:40,705 --> 00:35:41,729 You more than anyone, 965 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:43,431 because you were always the best of us. 966 00:35:43,541 --> 00:35:44,974 You admit it. 967 00:35:45,076 --> 00:35:46,100 (Carrie chuckles) 968 00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:49,202 So you want to know what the secret is? 969 00:35:51,215 --> 00:35:53,115 Adrenaline. 970 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:56,177 We crave it. 971 00:35:56,287 --> 00:35:58,551 But not for the rush, not for the high. 972 00:35:58,656 --> 00:35:59,714 That's for other people. 973 00:35:59,824 --> 00:36:03,282 We crave it for the rest it gives us. 974 00:36:03,394 --> 00:36:05,624 From ourselves. 975 00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:10,558 Where were you... 976 00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:12,568 the morning Gene was murdered? 977 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,070 I was at home, asleep. 978 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:16,697 Okay. What time did you wake up? 979 00:36:16,807 --> 00:36:18,069 6:45. It's my usual hour. 980 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:19,666 It's when I take the dogs out. 981 00:36:19,777 --> 00:36:20,766 Oh. 982 00:36:20,878 --> 00:36:21,867 Anyone see you? 983 00:36:21,979 --> 00:36:24,209 I have no idea. 984 00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:28,814 Middle of a rainstorm: Odd time to walk the dogs. 985 00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:31,321 They don't mind the rain. 986 00:36:31,422 --> 00:36:32,980 Thunder must have bothered them, no? 987 00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:37,254 It did, but hey, when you gotta go, 988 00:36:37,361 --> 00:36:38,589 - you gotta go. - Mm. 989 00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:41,130 Speaking of which, if we're done here... 990 00:36:41,232 --> 00:36:43,393 There was no storm the morning 991 00:36:43,501 --> 00:36:44,866 Gene Lustig was murdered. 992 00:36:44,969 --> 00:36:46,300 No rain. 993 00:36:46,404 --> 00:36:47,393 No thunder. 994 00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:57,146 I'll lay it out for you. 995 00:36:57,248 --> 00:36:58,943 See, I thought you lied 996 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:01,177 about the Vermeer to cover up where you were 997 00:37:01,285 --> 00:37:02,513 when you killed Valerie Johnson. 998 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,087 But she was murdered in the morning. 999 00:37:04,188 --> 00:37:06,179 And you said you were went to the Met in the afternoon, 1000 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:08,850 so I thought to myself... why lie? 1001 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,191 Why make up an alibi you don't need? 1002 00:37:12,296 --> 00:37:15,857 But you weren't lying, were you? 1003 00:37:15,967 --> 00:37:17,093 You forgot. 1004 00:37:17,201 --> 00:37:19,465 Because when you murder people, 1005 00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:22,198 like these young women, you forget. 1006 00:37:22,306 --> 00:37:23,204 That's why you do it. 1007 00:37:23,307 --> 00:37:24,467 Not Gene and Alwyn. 1008 00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:25,906 You killed them to cover your tracks. 1009 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:27,910 But I bet you don't remember 1010 00:37:28,012 --> 00:37:29,912 what happened afterwards, do you? 1011 00:37:30,014 --> 00:37:32,244 You have no idea what you're talking about. 1012 00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:33,408 Yes, I do. 1013 00:37:33,517 --> 00:37:36,418 You know I do. 1014 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,581 The adrenaline unleashed by the act of violence 1015 00:37:40,691 --> 00:37:43,091 helps you to forget your painful life. 1016 00:37:43,194 --> 00:37:44,456 No, you're... you are wrong. 1017 00:37:44,562 --> 00:37:45,893 Which becomes more miserable 1018 00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:47,555 - when you finally, inevitably, - No. No, that is... 1019 00:37:47,665 --> 00:37:48,563 remember what you've done. 1020 00:37:48,666 --> 00:37:49,724 And then you kill again. 1021 00:37:49,834 --> 00:37:51,426 To forget, again. 1022 00:37:51,535 --> 00:37:53,435 You're an addict, Dale. 1023 00:37:55,539 --> 00:37:57,734 You're addicted to murder. 1024 00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:00,107 You don't understand. 1025 00:38:00,211 --> 00:38:02,907 Of course I understand. 1026 00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:05,005 (over speaker): I'm the only one who does. 1027 00:38:08,786 --> 00:38:11,584 How long do you get? 1028 00:38:11,689 --> 00:38:13,589 A few minutes? 1029 00:38:13,691 --> 00:38:14,953 A few hours, a whole day? 1030 00:38:15,059 --> 00:38:16,048 How long? 1031 00:38:21,332 --> 00:38:23,266 Sometimes more than a day. 1032 00:38:25,936 --> 00:38:28,530 The first time... 1033 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,665 it was a cat. 1034 00:38:31,776 --> 00:38:33,641 It was a stupid neighborhood cat, 1035 00:38:33,744 --> 00:38:35,803 and he kept howling and howling. 1036 00:38:35,913 --> 00:38:38,814 And when I put my fingers around its neck, 1037 00:38:38,916 --> 00:38:42,283 and I squeezed... 1038 00:38:42,386 --> 00:38:45,480 it was like I was here... 1039 00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:49,047 for the first time. 1040 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,752 Just here, now. 1041 00:38:50,861 --> 00:38:54,297 Not five minutes ago, not 20 minutes ago, 1042 00:38:54,398 --> 00:38:56,229 not 20 years ago, 1043 00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:59,201 when my father did those things, 1044 00:38:59,303 --> 00:39:02,670 and when those boys did those things, 1045 00:39:02,773 --> 00:39:04,832 because I was different. 1046 00:39:04,942 --> 00:39:07,308 Because I was the one who was always telling them 1047 00:39:07,411 --> 00:39:10,471 that they were wrong, because they were always wrong. 1048 00:39:10,581 --> 00:39:14,847 They never remembered anything. 1049 00:39:14,952 --> 00:39:18,251 And Valerie... 1050 00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:24,625 The last thing I remember 1051 00:39:24,729 --> 00:39:28,324 was the light fading from her eyes 1052 00:39:28,432 --> 00:39:31,924 like a torch down a well. 1053 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:35,369 And then it was a miracle. 1054 00:39:35,473 --> 00:39:40,308 It was a whole, long, blissful day of peace. 1055 00:39:43,147 --> 00:39:45,138 At least I think it was. 1056 00:39:47,585 --> 00:39:49,576 I don't remember. 1057 00:39:53,457 --> 00:39:55,448 "Peace"? 1058 00:39:59,463 --> 00:40:04,594 I want you to look at these women. 1059 00:40:04,702 --> 00:40:07,364 I want you to study their faces. 1060 00:40:10,541 --> 00:40:14,443 I want you... to remember them. 1061 00:40:17,047 --> 00:40:21,108 Because from now on, forgetting is not an option. 1062 00:40:41,172 --> 00:40:42,400 Nice work. 1063 00:40:42,506 --> 00:40:43,666 That was amazing. 1064 00:41:04,695 --> 00:41:06,492 There you are. 1065 00:41:06,597 --> 00:41:09,794 Carrie Wells, on behalf of the Memory Studies Group, 1066 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,868 it gives me great pleasure 1067 00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:15,598 to present you with this check for 100 U.S. Dollars. 1068 00:41:15,706 --> 00:41:17,674 Wow, Gene, a hundred dollars. 1069 00:41:17,775 --> 00:41:18,833 (both laugh) 1070 00:41:18,943 --> 00:41:22,504 Along with an infinite amount of gratitude 1071 00:41:22,613 --> 00:41:25,207 on behalf of... me. 1072 00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:27,284 You know, you can grow that money, 1073 00:41:27,384 --> 00:41:29,045 or you can just piddle it away. 1074 00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:30,745 Maybe I'll do both. 1075 00:41:30,855 --> 00:41:31,822 Yeah? 1076 00:41:31,922 --> 00:41:33,389 Let me guess. Texas Hold 'Em? 1077 00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,015 Blackjack, actually. 1078 00:41:35,125 --> 00:41:36,524 Scientifically sanctioned. 1079 00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:38,219 "A little benign forgetting." 1080 00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:40,229 Hmm. 1081 00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:41,662 What are you gonna do now? 1082 00:41:41,765 --> 00:41:45,201 (laughs) 1083 00:41:45,302 --> 00:41:47,202 Keep moving, I guess. 1084 00:41:47,304 --> 00:41:51,638 Just a word of advice from a new old friend? 1085 00:41:53,444 --> 00:41:55,173 The past has lessons for us, 1086 00:41:55,279 --> 00:41:57,042 but the present is where we live. 1087 00:41:57,147 --> 00:42:00,310 And nothing brings us into the present like a goal. 1088 00:42:00,417 --> 00:42:02,783 A task that uses 1089 00:42:02,887 --> 00:42:05,253 all your powers, including... 1090 00:42:07,758 --> 00:42:08,656 Hmm. 1091 00:42:08,759 --> 00:42:10,590 You said you were a cop. 1092 00:42:13,397 --> 00:42:14,694 It was too hard. 1093 00:42:14,798 --> 00:42:16,789 Okay. 1094 00:42:18,836 --> 00:42:21,566 But, Carrie, if anybody ever needed a mission, 1095 00:42:21,672 --> 00:42:22,934 it's you. 1096 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,134 When you find one, let me know. 1097 00:42:31,248 --> 00:42:33,944 Gene? 1098 00:42:34,051 --> 00:42:36,383 Thank you. 1099 00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:54,160 I'm taking off. 1100 00:42:55,205 --> 00:42:57,503 Think I'll stick around. 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