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Previously on In Treatment.

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- Kate ran into Laura.
- What I saw was this highly sexual woman,

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wearing stilettos at ten in the morning.

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Isn't it a little embarrassing for you,

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following your dick around like a caveman?

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I fell in love with you
not just because you're beautiful and sexy,

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but because of your strength.

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I needed that. I think we both needed that.

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Not any more.
I don't need you any more.

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You said you married him
because he paid such deep attention to you.

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You've outgrown that dependency.

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So she's not my groupie any more,
so I've found somebody to replace her.

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Is that your theory?
You see what she's doing?

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She's instructing you on what you should be
feeling. Game, set and match to you, Gina.

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(Mobile)

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Hello?

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Oh, hi. So, um...

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So what did the dermatologist say?

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Mm-hm.

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OK, so don't look in the mirror, Sophie.

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Yeah, cover the mirror up with a towel.

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I'm ordering you not to look at it.
Doctor's orders, OK?

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Take it as a challenge. Mm-hm.

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It'll pass.

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I promise.

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Good, so call me if you need me.

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Bye.

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Poor thing.

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Who was that?

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Oh, patient Rosie's age.
She thinks she's a freak.

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Now she's got a rash
all over her body to prove it.

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Is that that sweet girl
that I helped into the dry clothes?

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Yes. Where are my keys?

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Do you remember when lan used to get
those rashes? Every time he got the flu.

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- So scary.
- Yeah.

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It didn't help that I put the wrong cream
on him that time. Do you remember?

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The spider awaits. Let's go.

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So, uh, Rosie knows.

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She asked if, uh, Paul and I
were fighting, and, um...

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I started off into this
rather clichéd speech about...

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"when two people have been together
as long as your father and I have,

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"it's not some romantic movie
where you live happily ever after..."

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Whatever. Whatever.

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As if that's what she thought to begin with,
like she's some little girl.

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What did she say?

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Typical Rosie.
She cut right to the chase and...

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and asked me
if I was sleeping with somebody.

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Why would she suspect that?

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When I was in Rome, uh,

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she called me and...

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and she heard Edward in the background.

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- Edward.
- Of course, she hasn't told me this. So, uh...

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I got defensive and kind of vague

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and I said, "What makes you think
that I'm seeing somebody?"

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I almost said, "Why me?
Why not your father?"

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But thank God I didn't.

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And, um... finally she told me
that she knew and...

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Oh...

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What about the boys?

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Well, I spoke to lan.
Not about Kate's... (Clears throat)

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Kate's affair but, um...

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- just about the tension in the house.
- Why didn't you tell me about that?

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- I'm telling you now.
- I... Why can we not talk about this at home?

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I don't understand that.
What... what did you say to him?

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I said we were working
through some disagreements.

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He asked me if
I was interested in anybody else,

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and I said that I had feelings
for somebody else

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but that nothing had happened.

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Well, that's great.
That's just really great.

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Didn't you think that was something
we could've handled together?

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I'd just spoken to Rosie, she said,

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"Why are you allowing your wife
to go to Rome with somebody else, Dad?

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"Fix it, Dad."
That's what she said.

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Like it was all up to me... again.

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Then, just after that,
lan came in, so...

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(Paul sighs)

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I don't know, I just felt
like I wanted to come clean.

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How do you think he took that,
you having feelings for someone else?

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Well, I think it, uh... it hit him hard.

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But, you know, he toughed it out.
"It's OK, Dad, it's cool."

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- That kind of thing.
- (Kate) Well, that's no surprise.

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Lan's always been
on Paul's side of the argument.

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- That's not true.
- You're always the poor innocent lamb,

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and I'm always the monster, it is true.

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When in fact you're blameless?

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No, that's not what I'm saying.

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You know you've never once
taken responsibility for what you did?

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You've sat here for three weeks
and you never once said,

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- "I'm sorry, I made a mistake."
- I've never said that?

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- I've heard her say that.
- When?

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I've heard her say that
a number of times, here.

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Actually, once she said
it was a stupid mistake.

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- I didn't hear that.
- Because you don't want to hear it.

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- What do you mean?
- If he'd heard it,

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it would force him to decide
whether he's willing to forgive me or not,

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and he's obviously not

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because he hasn't made up his mind
about this other woman yet.

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Wow. Anything else
I should know about me?

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By the way, another thing
we haven't talked about.

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You keep saying that I'm not around,
that I don't see my kids,

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that I don't see, that I don't give,
that I only focus on, uh, on myself.

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Could we talk about
what kind of mother you've been?

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Could we talk about that?

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Yeah, sure. OK.

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- Let's talk about that.
- OK.

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Impatient, nagging...

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Just ask them, they'll tell you.

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- Anything they do isn't good enough for you.
- OK.

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You... You should really be quiet right now

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because you're embarrassing yourself.

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Where the hell have you been
for the past year?

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Past year?
What about the past decade?

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You don't know a thing about your children.
Lan, maybe, a little bit.

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Max? Rosie? Jesus.

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You don't know who she's hanging out with,
what she does.

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He still thinks
she's this virginal little thing

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who doesn't go off and party or try drugs.

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That she's just this... Daddy's little girl.

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What drugs?

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Come on, I'm asking you. What drugs?

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(Sighs)

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Look, she goes to concerts
with her friends and she smokes pot,

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but because she's your daughter

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you think she doesn't do
that sort of thing.

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Did she... did she tell you that?
That she smokes pot?

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- Who else can she tell?
- She could've told me.

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(Laughs) Really?

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So what did you say to her?

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I told her that if she did it once
it's not a big deal,

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one joint is not gonna make you a junkie.

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So basically you said it's OK
if she gets high and smokes pot.

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Come on, all of her friends smoke.
She tried some, she wanted to talk about it.

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All her friends smoke.
So you buy into that?

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I'm really happy that she feels
she can talk to me about it.

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I feel really good about that.

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So is this how she got involved
with this Noah guy?

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Noah is Rosie's boyfriend.

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No, she's into Noah because he's a boy.

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It's got nothing to do
with drugs whatsoever.

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Are they sleeping with each other?

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Yes or no?

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Rosie's on the pill.

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But, I mean, you're so close to her,
you must know that, right?

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How did you find this out?

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I took her to the gynaecologist myself

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- about three months ago.
- Why wouldn't you tell me that?

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- Because she asked me not to.
- So?

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Well, it's between her and me, Paul.

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- Wow. Sex and drugs, nice.
- They're not in the same category.

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Do you know how often she smokes?
Do you know what they put in this shit now?

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- Is she keeping you up to date on that?
- She's not a drug addict, so relax.

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No, because this isn't about
whether Rosie smokes pot or not.

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It's about you keeping it from me.
That's the issue.

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You took her to a gynaecologist
without telling me. She's a child.

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- She's not a child.
- She's our child. Ours.

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Well, I guess you kind of enjoyed
keeping it from me.

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Gives you some kind of control,
does it?

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Got such a kick out of your little conspiracy,
you forgot to be concerned about Rosie.

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Not everything I do
is for your benefit.

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- Does lan smoke pot?
- Oh, for Christ's sake!

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In college? I certainly hope not.

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Well, it appears I live in some kind of, uh,
an alternate reality.

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If one of her teachers kept
that information from me,

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it would be bad, but you're her mother.
It makes it a hundred times worse.

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Paul, let's look
at how you're reacting.

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Kate was saying that this is why
she's afraid to tell you things, Rosie too.

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Who wouldn't be pissed off
if their wife didn't tell them,

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- if their wife didn't include them?
- There are reasons to be angry.

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But can you look
beyond that for a minute?

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Kate's trying to tell you something about
Rosie, about her relationship with Rosie.

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- You're not hearing it.
- I think I am.

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No, you're not.

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The way you're looking at it,
they're excluding you,

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but Kate's talking about
their own relationship,

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their intimacy, their trust.

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You know, last week,
uh, when you were here,

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you had a legitimate concern about Rosie

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when she disappeared for a day.

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We're back here again today
and we're still talking about Rosie.

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Now a lot of these things are important.
They absolutely should be addressed, but...

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I'm wondering if we don't
keep on talking about Rosie

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because we're avoiding the issues
that brought you here.

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(Clears throat)

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OK.

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Let's try imago.

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- (Scoffs)
- (Laughs)

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- What does that mean?
- Come on, Gina, you're kidding.

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Paul, I'm trying to get a dialogue started.

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Wait. Hello. What's imago?

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It's this pop psychology from the '80s.

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- The most earnest kind of bullshit.
- Paul.

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It's a type of couples therapy
where you reflect each other's feelings.

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When I worked with you,
you used to laugh at it.

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- There's a lot of it that's... bullshit.
- Yeah.

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But... it can be useful
to get a dialogue going.

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We can do it for a little while
and then we'll drop it.

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So, I... I don't understand.
When you say "reflect"...

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Gina, please don't make us do this.

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Can I at least understand what it is
before we make that decision?

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OK.

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Um...

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What Paul said was right.
It's about reflection.

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One person begins
and the other person... answers.

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So, Paul will say, uh...

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"I'm upset about
what you did last night."

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And you respond, "I hear that you're
upset about my behaviour last night."

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And Paul will confirm or he'll correct you
if you left something out.

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We do that for a while,

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then the listening person
summarises what they heard.

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- Those of us who can still hear.
- The more you bitch,

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- the more I wanna do it, so just...
- Of course.

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How do we start, Gina?

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- OK, so, turn so you're facing each other.
- (Paul) Oh, Gina.

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Well, we're definitely doing it now, so...

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OK, face each other.
Paul, would you face...

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OK, fine, fine, fine.
We'll do an imago.

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OK, move in a little closer.

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(Sighs)

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- Who wants to go first?
- Me, I will.

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OK.

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Oh, um...

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Hm.

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- He only repeats, right?
- Right, nothing else.

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No comments,
no reactions, no analysis.

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OK.

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Liking this already. Um...

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During these sessions with Gina,

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I've...

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started to learn a lot about myself...

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and about you.

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- Paul?
- Yeah, I...

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Um...

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I hear you say...
since we've been seeing Gina,

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you've started to understand
a lot about...

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yourself.

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And about you.

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And... and about me.

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Um...

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Yeah, in my heart of hearts,
I really did not want to come here, but...

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I realised that I was willing
to do whatever it took because...

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I cannot get through to you at home.

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And I thought, at least
in this setting,

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you might just have to listen to me.

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So you didn't want to come here,
but you thought this was a place you...

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you might get me to, uh...
to listen.

246
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- Yeah?
- Yeah.

247
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But having Gina here

248
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has helped me to realise
that many of my feelings...

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are in fact legitimate.

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Hm.

251
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Um, so you think that having Gina here
to listen to us squabble...

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Paul.

253
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Being here with Gina
helps you realise

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that your feelings are...

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legitimate.

256
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Yeah.

257
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And I also have begun to understand

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that my...

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involvement with Edward...
(Sighs)

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...was, um, most likely some...

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kind of reaction to...

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things I've been carrying with me
for many, many years.

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Mm.

264
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You think that cheating on me with Edward

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was a reaction to something
from your childhood?

266
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No. Paul, come on.

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OK.

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Your, uh...

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relationship...

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hm... with Edward

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was a reaction to...

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something that you've been
carrying around for years, yeah?

273
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Yeah.

274
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- A reaction to what, exactly?
- Don't ask questions.

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- Just listen to her.
- Imago. Jesus Christ, Gina.

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What's happened to you?
OK. OK, OK, OK.

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What else?

278
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I think Gina's also right that...

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your thing with Laura...

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that's, um...

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that's a reaction to things
that you've been carrying around.

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(Gina) Paul.

283
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Um, can I...

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(Sighs)

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What I'm trying to say is that...

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I get that it's not all your fault.

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I get that I have done my part.

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And, uh, you know, I've been so busy
trying to be always your girlfriend,

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your wife, the... the mother...

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and...

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I've never...

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(Sighs)

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Uh...

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that I just never allowed myself
to be Kate, really.

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And how can that
possibly be your fault?

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So you're saying that you let yourself

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get locked into a kind of...

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I don't know -
dependent, maternal role?

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It's just how I saw myself, really.
I never questioned it.

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You know, all this caretaking

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and pleasing other people, it's, um...

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You know, only feeling safe
as one half of something.

303
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And even looking at the gas bill -
"Mrs Dr Paul Weston."

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I guess it never occurred to me that
I had the strength to do things on my own.

305
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But Kate, you run a shelter
for battered women.

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You... you work with co-dependents,
alcoholics, kids at risk.

307
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Your work has such a positive effect
on so many people's lives.

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But that's... (Sighs)

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Paul. Could you reflect?

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(Sighs)

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Um...

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You feel that you're stuck in a, um...

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a mothering role, that you have, uh...

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maybe because you're married to me,
deprived yourself of a...

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full, rounded life.

316
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(Gina) Use her own words.

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I like what he just said.

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I... I haven't...

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I have deprived myself of a...

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well-rounded life.

321
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But it's not because
I've been married to you.

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(Sighs)

323
00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:24,917
Oh...

324
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Kate, are you OK?

325
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Yeah.

326
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Mm-hm.

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Do... do we switch around now?

328
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,314
Yeah.

329
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(Exhales) OK.

330
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Um...

331
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I want to say that I was
listening to you.

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And that, um...

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I hear you.

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It hurts for me to realise that I...
that I've been married to you for all this time

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and, uh, I didn't know that you felt this way.

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I should have.

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And, um...

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I'm angry at myself for that.

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Um...

340
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I... I hear you saying
that you didn't know that I felt this way.

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- Right?
- Yeah.

342
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I'm scared.

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I'm frightened.

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I've had so many patients in this situation,
it's almost like...

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(Sighs) It's like déjà vu.

346
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And where do these couples end up?

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With one person leaving
to find themselves.

348
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I hear you saying that...

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you're afraid that I'll leave you.

350
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No, I didn't say... leave me.

351
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Is that what you want?

352
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,999
(Clears throat) Gina, you said that...

353
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that I might've pushed...

354
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Kate into her...

355
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uh, affair because of my...

356
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,668
uh, my feelings for Laura.

357
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Maybe it's the other way around.

358
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My feelings for Laura were the, uh...

359
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the reaction to what...

360
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Kate's... been going through herself.

361
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,315
(Gina) Well, you're both
going through something.

362
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She's struggling with a dynamic
that existed before you met.

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To... to cater to others,

364
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to please, to adapt to others.

365
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And your past informs the way, uh...

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you act with Laura,
you're looking for that younger woman

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that you can nurture,
who looks up to you

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the way Kate used to.

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00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:50,512
But that also makes you confront
the situation with your father,

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which is frightening.

371
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You were 14 when he left?

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- 15.
- 15.

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Your mother had
a nervous breakdown.

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You had to take care of her.

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She was giving you
nothing in return.

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Maybe you were trying to address that
in your relationship with Kate,

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looking for the mothering
that you didn't get.

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At the same time,
you need to protect yourself

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from needing it so much

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because there's always
the risk of losing it.

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And so you pull away,
you bury yourself in your work.

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You want Kate there, you always want
her there but you want her at arm's length.

383
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So, maybe...

384
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now we have some idea of...

385
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,635
what's been happening between you and...

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00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,356
maybe now we can just begin
to steer the ship back on course?

387
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,791
I don't know.

388
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,519
I honestly don't know.
I just feel that...

389
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,793
we've been going in the same direction
for so long...

390
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:12,272
maybe the best thing would be
for me to just get off the ship.

391
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,111
What are you saying?

392
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,072
- (Kate sighs)
- Are you saying that you want to leave?

393
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,470
I'm not sure, Paul.

394
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,476
Yeah, I... I just want to say, and I...

395
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,559
I don't mean this
in a patronising way, but...

396
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,269
it's not uncommon
for couples your age to...

397
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,719
be at this crossroads.

398
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,036
That doesn't mean
that what you're going through isn't...

399
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,594
complicated and painful.

400
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,791
And, like Paul said,
it does sometimes end

401
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,434
with someone leaving.

402
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,032
But no one has left here yet.

403
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,834
And, though it may not seem so
right now at this moment,

404
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,158
I don't think anybody's
quite ready to leave.

405
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,792
OK, well...

406
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,559
um, give me a call, and, uh...

407
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,074
let me know about next Friday.

408
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,840
OK.

409
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,429
(Laughs) Thanks, Gina.

410
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,871
(Mobile buzzing)

411
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,716
(Gina, quietly) Bye, dear.

412
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,071
(Dog barks)

413
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,236
Hello?

414
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,191
Yes, this is he.

415
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,799
Mm-hm.

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