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I'm Peter Davison,
and I played the fifth Doctor
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in the British television
hit series, Doctor Who.
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As you may know, the man on
my left is actor Peter Capaldi.
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No, after you.
No, no, after you.
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He's about to
step onboard the TARDIS
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and take on the role
of a lifetime.
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Now, I have an understanding
of what it's like
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to become one of Britain's
most successful
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television characters.
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This man, he's just finding out
what it's like
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to play the mighty Time Lord.
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Thankfully,
it's in his DNA, look.
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Actually,
that's just one row.
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He watched the show as a child
and he's even been here before,
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and now he's about to take on
the role of a lifetime.
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I'm interested to find out what
Peter's Doctor will be like.
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Intriguing.
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Clara, be my pal.
Tell me, am I a good man?
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I'm muttering with you
in the background.
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Ooh, exciting stuff.
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It looks like Peter's
doing extremely well.
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It takes me back.
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It's over 30 years since
I stepped off the TARDIS,
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but now I'm off
on a new adventure.
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I've set myself
a bit of a challenge.
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I want to find out
what it takes to create
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the ultimate Time Lord.
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Can it be done?
Is there even such a thing?
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I'm about to start
my journey to find out.
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♪ Doctor Who♪
- The Ultimate Time Lord
Original Air Date on August 16, 2013
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== sync, corrected by elderman ==
@elder_man
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Coming up in my search for
the ultimate Time Lord,
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I catch up with Jenna Coleman
and hear how she's getting along
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with the new twelfth Doctor.
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He's having
a great time.
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There's been days on set
where he'll come in early
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to watch Daleks
being blown up.
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I find out
what David Tennant thought
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of his life-changing times
onboard the TARDIS
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as the tenth Doctor.
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Everyone who's
played the Doctor
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has brought
something significant
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and unique to it,
and everyone has succeeded.
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Howdy.
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I travel to the U.S.A.
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and track down
doctors number six,
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seven, and eight.
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I take a walk and talk
at the BBC drama studios
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with Doctor who
showrunner Steven Moffat.
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He's sort of restless.
He's an adrenaline junkie.
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He blunders into situations
where a hero is required,
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and because he's a good man,
he sort of gets involved.
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And I get to
speak exclusively
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with actor Peter Capaldi
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to find out about
his new twelfth Doctor.
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I wanted to kind of put
some mystery into him,
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and I think that's
really difficult when
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you have a character that's
been around for 50 years.
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There are things
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this Doctor can do we haven't
seen the other doctors do.
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I literally
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wake up in the morning and go,
"I'm Doctor Who.
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I'm still Doctor Who!"
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So where
exactly do I start
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in my search for
the ultimate Time Lord?
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There have been
so many doctors,
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all with their own
different personalities.
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I have a new destination.
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My journey is the same as yours,
the same as anyone's.
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It's taken me so many years,
so many lifetimes,
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but at last,
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I know where I'm going,
where I've always been going --
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home,
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the long way round.
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This could be
tougher than I thought.
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I suppose the challenge of
creating the ultimate Doctor
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starts with
the writers' imagination,
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and a certain Mr. Moffat
has a few ideas.
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Many, many years ago,
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William Hartnell,
the first Doctor,
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or, as he was then,
the Doctor,
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became very ill and they had to
find a way to continue the show,
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and in one of the great
strokes of invention
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ever in television,
I think,
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instead of just
getting somebody else
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to wear William Hartnell's wig
and try and pass himself off
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as William Hartnell,
they came up with this
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Jekyll and Hyde idea that
he would actually transform
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into somebody else,
and not just transform his face,
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but transform
his personality as well.
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Now, that was an act of genius,
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'cause it allowed not merely for
a new actor to play the part,
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but for a new actor to play
the part with a blank canvas,
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to say, "I'll make it
the star vehicle
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that suits me."
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It has gone from being
a clever solution
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to a desperately
difficult situation
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to being a central part
of Doctor Who.
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The Doctor is not merely
one hero, he's twelve.
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50 years on,
and the Doctor's
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regenerations are still
as important today
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as they were at
the very beginning.
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Please don't change.
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With all
these regenerations
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and so many doctors
to choose from,
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it's a lot of personalities
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to get your head around,
so I've had a brain wave.
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I thought I should come along
and ask the academics.
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After all, they should know
something about what it takes
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to be a 750-year-old --
actually, 900--
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could be over a
thousand-year-old Time Lord
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from the planet Gallifrey.
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It's time to give the Doctor
a thorough examination.
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I'm meeting Dr. Mike Aitken,
who is an expert in psychology
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and risk-taking,
to help me pinpoint
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a few of the Doctor's
character traits.
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So, Mike, here I am,
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I'm designing
the ultimate Doctor.
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Where do I start?
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From a psychology point of view,
he's almost unique in that
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he has 12 well-established
personalities.
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He has some core traits --
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agreeable, he always
wants to understand
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and to bring everyone
with him.
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And he's an extrovert.
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He enjoys the company
of others.
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You're saying that those are
the ones that are common to --
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those personality traits are
certainly common to identifying
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the Doctor Who has been.
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I think one of the most
important attributes,
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really,
is the Doctor's ability
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to think calmly
under pressure,
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and we've got a clip here,
I think, that shows that
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really well.
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Jump.
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Jump where?
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Just jump, high as you can.
Come on, leap of faith,
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Bishop,
on my signal.
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What signal?
You won't miss it.
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Sorry, can I ask again,
you mentioned a mistake we made?
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A big, big mistake,
really huge.
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Didn't anyone ever tell you
there's one thing
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you never put in a trap
if you're smart,
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if you value your
continued existence?
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If you have any plans
about seeing tomorrow,
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there's one thing you never,
ever put in a trap.
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And what
would that be, sir?
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Me.
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So, risk-taking.
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But risk-taking in
a desperate situation.
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There was also an element
of ego there, wasn't there,
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'cause he said,
"that's the one thing
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you shouldn't do,
it's me, get in my way."
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Only when it matters does he
really tell people who he is.
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We've got
a clip here that would
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show that quite nicely.
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Hang on a minute.
Who put you in charge?
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And who the hell are you,
anyway?
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I'm the Doctor.
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I'm a Time Lord.
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I'm from the planet Gallifrey
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in the constellation
of Kasterborous.
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I'm 903 years old,
and I'm the man
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who's going to save your lives
and all six billion people
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on the planet below.
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You got a problem with that?
No.
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In that case, allons-y!
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Obviously, is the whole thing
driven by kind of ego?
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He's often almost
sort of reserved,
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but really,
when a crisis emerges,
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when a leader
is really required,
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that's the point
at which he can
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turn back on his ego and rely
on it when he needs it.
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That's great, that's excellent,
okay, fine.
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I'm now armed
with a list of
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the Doctor's character traits
that could go towards
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making the ultimate Time Lord.
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He's having
a great time.
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I think, you know,
there's been days on set
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where he'll come in early to
watch Daleks being blown up.
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I think he's just,
you know,
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enjoying every
single minute of it,
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and just loving being
Doctor Who.
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On paper,
the doctors resemble each other
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more than you'd think,
and then you start to get
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a sense of in which direction
you're going to push it.
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Now, Matt's Doctor
was charming,
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loopy, affable,
probably the maddest of the lot.
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At the core of him is that
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essential doctorness
that they all have.
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That's how he goes out
in the world.
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But in the very beginning
with Matt's Doctor,
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I wrote two, three episodes
before knowing
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who we were going to cast,
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so I simply wrote
generic Doctor.
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The traits vary
from day to day
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and the Doctor's
fundamental traits --
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his restlessness,
his desire to zoom
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round the universe --
those things remain the same,
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they remain in place
all the time.
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I think one thing
that I've noticed about
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my relationship with the Doctor
is he can kind of be --
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he can kind of be the granddad,
the brother,
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the annoying toddler,
the wise man, the idiot,
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the fool.
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I'm sorry.
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But also the hero as well,
so it's having to find
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that kind of --
that quality of having
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all those things all at once,
happening all at the same time.
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So, once you've got the script
and the Doctor's character
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sorted on paper,
it's time to send in the troops
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to kick the whole thing
into shape.
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That's where we come in.
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Yes, it's time to
bring on the actors.
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I thought I'd pay a visit
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to a man who knows everything
about finding a new Doctor --
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casting director
Andy Pryor.
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So, Andy,
here's the big moment.
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It happens only
every two or three years.
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Casting a new Doctor.
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I've cast everyone since
Chris Eccleston
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came to the show,
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and it's always a process
that I slightly dread
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because it's such
a huge piece of casting,
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but actually,
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when you get into it,
it's the most fun
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you can have as
a casting director.
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So there's not thousands of
people queuing
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up and down the street
in an open audition
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for who's going to be
the next Doctor.
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No, no,
we don't open it up.
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I mean, you know,
very --
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most of the time,
we sort of --
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we're doing it
in a covert way.
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So there's presumably
not just looking
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for the best
possible actor.
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You're also looking for
an actor with big personality,
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a spark of something
that sets them apart.
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There's so many elements
that go into casting
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the perfect Doctor,
and really,
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you do need them to be
a brilliant actor,
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a superb leading man,
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albeit a fairly
unconventional one.
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So when it comes to
the latest casting,
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Peter Capaldi's Doctor,
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was it then a case of
change of direction?
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It just felt like
an exciting change
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after Matt to have
somebody so different.
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It just felt like,
to all of us,
250
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the perfect thing to do.
251
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Would you say
the ultimate Doctor?
252
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I would say that
every time we've done it,
253
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I feel I've found
the ultimate Doctor,
254
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though I'm not certain
it doesn't belittle
255
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the ones that
have gone before.
256
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Well, thank you.
Thank you.
257
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Well, meeting Andy Pryor
was really useful,
258
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and I am still on my quest
to design the ultimate Doctor.
259
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Mind you, right now,
Peter Capaldi is looking good.
260
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I didn't know where
they were going to go next,
261
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but I think like Steven says,
it's -- it's not really --
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it's just about the actor
and the person and,
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you know, rather than --
we get loads of questions
264
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about should it be a woman
or should it be a younger guy
265
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or an older guy,
and actually, again,
266
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it's kind of going back
to this quality in somebody,
267
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and I think that's what --
that's what Peter has.
268
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When you cast a new actor,
you're wanting to exploit
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what they bring,
their star value.
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Now, oddly enough,
Doctor Who is a star vehicle,
271
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and it remakes itself
272
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around a different actor
playing the same part.
273
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So the first thing
you look for is somebody
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you can't take your eyes off,
275
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somebody who's carved
a solid star,
276
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because anything
less than that won't work.
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What's so wonderful
is you have somebody
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who knows the show inside-out
and also has --
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has a great love for the show
and at the same time
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is this incredibly instinctive,
bold, brave actor,
281
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kind of taking
all of it onboard
282
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and taking the show in
a completely different,
283
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new direction.
284
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It very much feels like
it's totally new territory.
285
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He was having a great time.
286
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I think, you know,
there's been days on set
287
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where he'll come in early to
watch Daleks being blown up,
288
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and I think he's just,
you know,
289
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enjoying every
single minute of it
290
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and just loving
being Doctor Who.
291
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Where do you start
with the Doctor's outfit?
292
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It was a very
close collaboration.
293
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I mean,
we worked very closely
294
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from the initial concept
of giving out
295
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sort of ideas
and mood boards,
296
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but we sort of seemed to be
on the same wavelength.
297
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Actor David Tennant
spent three series
298
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playing the tenth Doctor,
and with so much experience
299
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both on and off the screen,
I want to find out from him
300
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how much it
changes your life.
301
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I might also
find out a little
302
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what's in store
for Peter Capaldi.
303
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Well, David, thank you
very much for joining me.
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In your private cinema.
305
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Yeah, my private cinema.
306
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I wondered if
you could help me,
307
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because I'm seeking a design
for the ultimate Doctor,
308
00:13:51,278 --> 00:13:53,579
but there's something
I wanted to ask you.
309
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Was Doctor Who really an offer
that you just couldn't refuse?
310
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Well, yes, it was,
311
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although I hemmed
and hawed a little bit
312
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about it,
because it was still --
313
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it hadn't quite
established itself as
314
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the cultural phenomenon
that it was about to become.
315
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This was before the first
series had broadcast.
316
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So I was being offered
a job that may not exist.
317
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Had the first series
not gone well,
318
00:14:15,102 --> 00:14:17,102
there wouldn't have been
a second series
319
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and I would never
have taken over.
320
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Did you secretly have an idea
321
00:14:20,341 --> 00:14:22,474
of how you were
going to play the part?
322
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I didn't think I did.
323
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From an acting point of view,
324
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it starts with whatever
script you've got,
325
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and that presumably
will come with
326
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those kind of
doctorish qualities
327
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that are inherent
in the character,
328
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but then quite --
it's quite nebulous,
329
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quite difficult to grasp,
330
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because all the doctors
have been so different.
331
00:14:40,594 --> 00:14:42,895
I think the Doctor
needs to have a swagger.
332
00:14:42,897 --> 00:14:45,064
And that can mean
many different things.
333
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That can just be a sort of
internal swagger,
334
00:14:47,401 --> 00:14:49,168
it can just be
a sense of self,
335
00:14:49,170 --> 00:14:53,705
but there's something --
there's something in the --
336
00:14:53,707 --> 00:14:57,342
just a whiff of anarchy,
the whiff of --
337
00:14:57,344 --> 00:14:59,111
certainly the self-confidence
in the Doctor.
338
00:14:59,113 --> 00:15:01,080
I like the word "swagger,"
because it also covers
339
00:15:01,082 --> 00:15:03,015
the slightly -- the fun
of the character as well,
340
00:15:03,017 --> 00:15:05,517
yes, exactly.
The humor of the character.
341
00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:08,487
In a way, the faults that
he has and a the failings,
342
00:15:08,489 --> 00:15:11,256
maybe headstrong,
maybe sometimes too tentative,
343
00:15:11,258 --> 00:15:13,926
are they almost as important
as the positive qualities?
344
00:15:13,928 --> 00:15:16,328
Yes, they are -- oh,
I think they definitely are,
345
00:15:16,330 --> 00:15:19,098
and I think that's
what makes any sort of
346
00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:21,767
heroic character interesting,
isn't it,
347
00:15:21,769 --> 00:15:24,103
the flaws
and the little glitches
348
00:15:24,105 --> 00:15:26,872
and the things that
make him not perfect.
349
00:15:26,874 --> 00:15:29,675
Are you looking forward
to Peter Capaldi's Doctor?
350
00:15:29,677 --> 00:15:31,443
Very much so.
I mean, he's --
351
00:15:31,445 --> 00:15:34,613
the thing is, Doctor Who,
everyone who's played the Doctor
352
00:15:34,615 --> 00:15:37,416
has brought something
significant and unique to it
353
00:15:37,418 --> 00:15:38,917
and everyone has succeeded.
354
00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:43,489
One of the great pleasures
of being a Doctor Who fan
355
00:15:43,491 --> 00:15:45,224
is that, you know,
356
00:15:45,226 --> 00:15:47,159
people want to
debate and compare,
357
00:15:47,161 --> 00:15:49,061
"I prefer this one,
I like that,"
358
00:15:49,063 --> 00:15:50,462
and each Doctor appeals to
359
00:15:50,464 --> 00:15:52,431
different people
in different ways,
360
00:15:52,433 --> 00:15:54,199
and every Doctor
that comes along
361
00:15:54,201 --> 00:15:56,068
is going to be
different and unique
362
00:15:56,070 --> 00:15:57,870
and successful
in their own right.
363
00:15:57,872 --> 00:15:59,404
Excellent. Anything else?
364
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Uh, a nice coat
is always important.
365
00:16:01,675 --> 00:16:03,108
A nice coat.
Yeah.
366
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:06,411
That could be a great into to
another part of the program.
367
00:16:06,413 --> 00:16:07,513
Brilliant, okay.
368
00:16:07,515 --> 00:16:09,047
Right, we're done.
Thank you very much.
369
00:16:09,049 --> 00:16:10,782
Yeah, thank you.
370
00:16:15,822 --> 00:16:17,689
So, following David's
sound advice,
371
00:16:17,691 --> 00:16:19,057
the next stop on my travels
372
00:16:19,059 --> 00:16:21,126
is at Cardiff,
to meet Doctor Who
373
00:16:21,128 --> 00:16:23,362
costume designer
Howard Burden.
374
00:16:26,099 --> 00:16:28,967
So, Howard, you've worked with
the last two numbered doctors,
375
00:16:28,969 --> 00:16:30,569
that is number eleven
376
00:16:30,571 --> 00:16:32,271
and now number twelve,
Peter Capaldi,
377
00:16:32,273 --> 00:16:34,273
but also, of course,
the unnumbered Doctor,
378
00:16:34,275 --> 00:16:36,375
John Hurt, from the 50th
anniversary special.
379
00:16:36,377 --> 00:16:38,410
Where do you start
with the Doctor's outfit?
380
00:16:38,412 --> 00:16:41,680
It's a very complex process,
because obviously
381
00:16:41,682 --> 00:16:45,784
everyone has an iconic look,
each one has their own identity,
382
00:16:45,786 --> 00:16:48,387
and it was quite
difficult with John
383
00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:52,224
because he was an unknown
sort of quantity
384
00:16:52,226 --> 00:16:55,761
in the process,
so we had a very short
385
00:16:55,763 --> 00:16:57,462
turnaround with him,
that we had to sort of,
386
00:16:57,464 --> 00:16:58,997
you know, try and pull in
elements from
387
00:16:58,999 --> 00:17:00,599
all the different
characters in the past
388
00:17:00,601 --> 00:17:01,967
so he would sort of
fit in with --
389
00:17:01,969 --> 00:17:03,168
between the two,
as it were.
390
00:17:03,170 --> 00:17:04,170
How much input
391
00:17:04,171 --> 00:17:06,905
does the actual
new Doctor have?
392
00:17:06,907 --> 00:17:09,541
Oh, he's -- it was
a very close collaboration.
393
00:17:09,543 --> 00:17:11,476
I mean,
we worked very closely,
394
00:17:11,478 --> 00:17:13,212
from the initial concept
395
00:17:13,214 --> 00:17:16,381
of giving out sort of
ideas and mood boards,
396
00:17:16,383 --> 00:17:17,983
but we sort of
seemed to be on
397
00:17:17,985 --> 00:17:20,085
the same
sort of wavelength.
398
00:17:20,087 --> 00:17:21,520
The shoes are great.
399
00:17:21,522 --> 00:17:23,222
I like the trousers, too.
400
00:17:23,224 --> 00:17:25,390
I like it all,
I have to say.
401
00:17:25,392 --> 00:17:26,825
The shirt is
absolutely beautiful.
402
00:17:26,827 --> 00:17:28,327
I've never had
a shirt made for me.
403
00:17:28,329 --> 00:17:32,064
And there was one scene
that we had to shoot pre-
404
00:17:32,066 --> 00:17:35,067
his look, and we had to
put a look together,
405
00:17:35,069 --> 00:17:38,036
literally in a day,
and I pulled some stock
406
00:17:38,038 --> 00:17:41,106
and I found a coat and it was
only going to be a head shot,
407
00:17:41,108 --> 00:17:42,507
but it was rather strange,
408
00:17:42,509 --> 00:17:45,043
because on our journey,
we tried hundreds
409
00:17:45,045 --> 00:17:47,045
and hundreds
of different looks
410
00:17:47,047 --> 00:17:49,481
because we didn't
want to miss a trick,
411
00:17:49,483 --> 00:17:51,917
and it was trying to
sort of nail that.
412
00:17:51,919 --> 00:17:54,286
It was a very sort of
complex process,
413
00:17:54,288 --> 00:17:57,055
but in a funny way,
we almost came full circle
414
00:17:57,057 --> 00:17:58,824
back to this sort of dark coat
415
00:17:58,826 --> 00:18:02,027
and the severity
of his look.
416
00:18:12,138 --> 00:18:15,140
The Doctor must be able to
sail into the background,
417
00:18:15,142 --> 00:18:17,342
take command
and be taken seriously,
418
00:18:17,344 --> 00:18:18,944
he must be all those things.
419
00:18:18,946 --> 00:18:21,780
In the end, he's a Time Lord.
Just a little bit
420
00:18:21,782 --> 00:18:24,583
of formality has to be there.
421
00:18:24,585 --> 00:18:27,686
He's the senior man in the room,
and if you forget and amidst
422
00:18:27,688 --> 00:18:29,321
all the warmth and charisma
423
00:18:29,323 --> 00:18:31,957
that he's also
the senior man in the room,
424
00:18:31,959 --> 00:18:34,826
not just a medical student,
a senior consultant,
425
00:18:34,828 --> 00:18:36,428
then you've lost something,
426
00:18:36,430 --> 00:18:39,231
so a hint of formality's
very important to him.
427
00:18:41,968 --> 00:18:44,803
To design the ultimate
Time Lord, of course,
428
00:18:44,805 --> 00:18:46,805
one has to consider his enemies.
429
00:18:46,807 --> 00:18:49,441
Adversity is character-forming,
apparently,
430
00:18:49,443 --> 00:18:52,311
and he does have an awful lot
to contend with --
431
00:18:52,313 --> 00:18:55,213
the Sontarans,
the Cybermen, the Master --
432
00:18:55,215 --> 00:18:57,716
the list goes on and on,
poor chap.
433
00:18:57,718 --> 00:19:01,386
The Daleks, the Silurians,
the Silence...
434
00:19:03,456 --> 00:19:04,623
Right, here we are.
435
00:19:04,625 --> 00:19:07,092
And I was about to get
closer than I hoped
436
00:19:07,094 --> 00:19:08,627
to these scary creatures...
437
00:19:08,629 --> 00:19:11,263
That's the right one, okay.
Is someone coming?
438
00:19:11,265 --> 00:19:13,231
Thanks to the voice
of the Daleks himself,
439
00:19:13,233 --> 00:19:14,233
Nick Briggs...
440
00:19:14,234 --> 00:19:15,801
Right,
this is very secret.
441
00:19:15,803 --> 00:19:19,304
Who had the keys to
the secret storeroom.
442
00:19:19,306 --> 00:19:22,407
Ah, you see?
Ah. What a wonderland.
443
00:19:22,409 --> 00:19:24,443
Say hello to the Daleks.
444
00:19:24,445 --> 00:19:28,780
Hi. So why are these covered up
with sackcloth and...
445
00:19:28,782 --> 00:19:32,784
Well, I could show you--
Mmm, no.
446
00:19:32,786 --> 00:19:34,686
Okay, so, Nick,
you are now,
447
00:19:34,688 --> 00:19:38,323
I think it's true to say,
the iconic voice of the Daleks.
448
00:19:38,325 --> 00:19:42,561
Emergency! Locate the TARDIS,
find the Doctor!
449
00:19:42,563 --> 00:19:45,630
Do you think that that
with regard to the Daleks
450
00:19:45,632 --> 00:19:47,632
in particular,
they have sort of
451
00:19:47,634 --> 00:19:49,634
shaped the Doctor's
personality?
452
00:19:49,636 --> 00:19:52,771
Well, yes, certainly for all of
the time we've known him,
453
00:19:52,773 --> 00:19:55,907
and they are, well,
the most evil of the evil,
454
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:59,144
really, and they really
define the Doctor for us
455
00:19:59,146 --> 00:20:03,348
viewing him as someone
who defeats alien menaces.
456
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:06,651
Evil, evil to the utmost degree,
and yet,
457
00:20:06,653 --> 00:20:09,287
in a sense, we kind of
like them when they return.
458
00:20:09,289 --> 00:20:12,090
We look forward to the Daleks
coming back, don't we?
459
00:20:12,092 --> 00:20:14,659
Well, that's because
they're reassuringly evil.
460
00:20:14,661 --> 00:20:17,963
So it's quite nice in our
stories to have something
461
00:20:17,965 --> 00:20:19,731
that is so definitely evil.
462
00:20:19,733 --> 00:20:21,633
Also something
about the design,
463
00:20:21,635 --> 00:20:24,536
a sort of iconic,
strange design that looks like
464
00:20:24,538 --> 00:20:27,439
a collection of kitchen utensils
and radiators.
465
00:20:27,441 --> 00:20:28,907
So in terms of my quest,
then,
466
00:20:28,909 --> 00:20:30,542
my search for
the ultimate Doctor,
467
00:20:30,544 --> 00:20:32,778
we can't really have
the ultimate Doctor
468
00:20:32,780 --> 00:20:36,615
unless we have his ultimate
enemies onboard as well.
469
00:20:36,617 --> 00:20:38,383
Precisely,
they define him.
470
00:20:38,385 --> 00:20:39,684
Oh, the TARDIS.
471
00:20:39,686 --> 00:20:41,920
You've got to love the TARDIS.
472
00:20:41,922 --> 00:20:43,855
The Doctor certainly does.
473
00:20:43,857 --> 00:20:46,892
She's a woman
and she's the TARDIS.
474
00:20:46,894 --> 00:20:48,460
Did you wish really hard?
475
00:20:48,462 --> 00:20:50,595
Shut up, not like that.
476
00:20:53,729 --> 00:20:55,696
You know,
I really think I've lost
477
00:20:55,698 --> 00:20:58,332
the knack of flying this thing,
if I ever had it.
478
00:20:58,334 --> 00:20:59,533
Oh, the TARDIS.
479
00:20:59,535 --> 00:21:01,669
You've got to love the TARDIS.
480
00:21:01,671 --> 00:21:04,338
The Doctor certainly does.
In fact,
481
00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:07,541
it's a very close relationship.
482
00:21:07,543 --> 00:21:10,611
Give us a hug.
483
00:21:10,613 --> 00:21:13,380
Amy, this is,
484
00:21:13,382 --> 00:21:16,784
well, she's my TARDIS.
485
00:21:16,786 --> 00:21:18,419
Except she's a woman.
486
00:21:18,421 --> 00:21:21,222
But she's a woman
and she's my TARDIS.
487
00:21:21,224 --> 00:21:22,656
She's the TARDIS?
488
00:21:22,658 --> 00:21:24,391
And she's a woman.
489
00:21:24,393 --> 00:21:27,695
She's a woman
and she's the TARDIS.
490
00:21:27,697 --> 00:21:29,263
Did you wish really hard?
491
00:21:29,265 --> 00:21:32,433
Shut up, not like that.
492
00:21:32,435 --> 00:21:35,035
Hello, I'm...Sexy.
493
00:21:35,037 --> 00:21:36,604
Oh...
Still shut up.
494
00:21:36,606 --> 00:21:39,273
To find out just what
495
00:21:39,275 --> 00:21:42,777
gadgets and gizmos
the ultimate Doctor would need,
496
00:21:42,779 --> 00:21:45,246
I've invited Doctor Who
script editor Derek Ritchie
497
00:21:45,248 --> 00:21:47,748
onboard my old TARDIS to
help me create a short list.
498
00:21:49,684 --> 00:21:52,052
How important is
the TARDIS to the Doctor,
499
00:21:52,054 --> 00:21:54,588
and would it be possible
in any circumstances
500
00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:56,357
for an ultimate Doctor
to do without his TARDIS?
501
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,424
I think, by the way,
502
00:21:57,426 --> 00:21:59,894
I know the answer to this,
but go ahead.
503
00:21:59,896 --> 00:22:02,830
Yes. Well, the answer is no,
the Doctor absolutely
504
00:22:02,832 --> 00:22:04,398
vitally requires a TARDIS.
505
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,867
It isn't just his access
to the universe
506
00:22:06,869 --> 00:22:08,402
and all of time and space.
507
00:22:08,404 --> 00:22:10,971
It is, in the Doctor's way,
his best friend,
508
00:22:10,973 --> 00:22:13,174
his ultimate companion,
if you like.
509
00:22:13,176 --> 00:22:15,276
I think this is a great example
of what we're talking about.
510
00:22:22,350 --> 00:22:24,451
Doctor!
511
00:22:25,854 --> 00:22:27,955
I got lost in
512
00:22:27,957 --> 00:22:30,591
a time vortex.
513
00:22:30,593 --> 00:22:32,960
The TARDIS brought me home.
514
00:22:34,529 --> 00:22:35,629
Oh!
515
00:22:35,631 --> 00:22:37,665
The TARDIS
brought him home.
516
00:22:37,667 --> 00:22:38,899
Okay, we've established
517
00:22:38,901 --> 00:22:40,835
that the Doctor
needs his TARDIS,
518
00:22:40,837 --> 00:22:42,303
but what about his gadgets?
519
00:22:42,305 --> 00:22:44,205
Now, I've very torn
on this one,
520
00:22:44,207 --> 00:22:45,639
because this, for a while,
521
00:22:45,641 --> 00:22:46,740
was my sonic screwdriver --
522
00:22:46,742 --> 00:22:47,742
trusty sonic.
523
00:22:47,743 --> 00:22:50,144
Yes, but I lost it
fairly early on.
524
00:22:50,146 --> 00:22:52,279
Could he do without that
and maybe use --
525
00:22:52,281 --> 00:22:54,782
find ways out of problems
by his own wits, or --
526
00:22:54,784 --> 00:22:56,283
yeah,
I think the doctors can.
527
00:22:56,285 --> 00:22:57,852
I think the sonic's
very useful
528
00:22:57,854 --> 00:23:00,154
because Doctor Who
is a program built so
529
00:23:00,156 --> 00:23:02,857
like it has an incredible
narrative pace.
530
00:23:02,859 --> 00:23:06,327
And the sonic will allow you not
to be trapped in a room
531
00:23:06,329 --> 00:23:09,930
for three scenes but to get out
and get on with the story.
532
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,800
So it's clear --
as I thought,
533
00:23:12,802 --> 00:23:14,935
you can't have
the ultimate Time Lord
534
00:23:14,937 --> 00:23:18,272
without the ultimate in gadgets,
and the sonic screwdriver
535
00:23:18,274 --> 00:23:20,908
is certainly one of those.
536
00:23:26,114 --> 00:23:28,682
When it comes to theme tunes,
Doctor Who's is one of
537
00:23:28,684 --> 00:23:30,517
the most recognizable
in television.
538
00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:32,319
It signifies that
another adventure
539
00:23:32,321 --> 00:23:34,121
with the Doctor
is about to begin,
540
00:23:34,123 --> 00:23:35,990
so to discover
how important music is
541
00:23:35,992 --> 00:23:37,725
to the Doctor's
and our journeys,
542
00:23:37,727 --> 00:23:39,627
I'm here to meet
the show's composer,
543
00:23:39,629 --> 00:23:41,295
Murray Gold.
544
00:23:44,766 --> 00:23:46,967
Murray Gold, thank you
very much for joining us.
545
00:23:46,969 --> 00:23:48,802
So you're dealing
with Doctor Who here,
546
00:23:48,804 --> 00:23:52,139
and of course Doctor Who
has this iconic theme
547
00:23:52,141 --> 00:23:54,642
that's been around
since 1963.
548
00:23:54,644 --> 00:23:56,827
How on earth do you
manage to find
549
00:23:56,829 --> 00:23:59,613
the variations of that theme
when you redo it
550
00:23:59,615 --> 00:24:02,149
for a new Doctor?
551
00:24:02,151 --> 00:24:04,919
Well, you know, you more or less
keep your baseline
552
00:24:04,921 --> 00:24:08,088
and the melody the same and the
chord progression the same,
553
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:10,691
so it is fundamentally
the same piece of music.
554
00:24:10,693 --> 00:24:13,327
We just tinker around --
there aren't
555
00:24:13,329 --> 00:24:15,863
that many elements to it,
you know?
556
00:24:15,865 --> 00:24:18,432
It's a fairly simple
piece of music.
557
00:24:18,434 --> 00:24:21,568
You can still play any version
to any member of the public
558
00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:24,038
and they instantly say,
"that's Doctor Who."
559
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,273
Absolutely, yeah.
Now, I don't suppose,
560
00:24:26,275 --> 00:24:28,709
has each Doctor had a theme,
as such,
561
00:24:28,711 --> 00:24:31,612
or is it simply a style
of music that evolves
562
00:24:31,614 --> 00:24:33,681
to fit that
particular Doctor?
563
00:24:33,683 --> 00:24:36,166
They've all had their theme,
yeah.
564
00:24:36,168 --> 00:24:40,854
I mean, Doctor nine had one
right from the get-go.
565
00:24:40,856 --> 00:24:45,893
Ten had his song at the end
566
00:24:45,895 --> 00:24:48,429
of "The Christmas Invasion"
in 2006,
567
00:24:48,431 --> 00:24:51,665
and then he had a sort of
fighting Doctor theme,
568
00:24:51,667 --> 00:24:54,168
and then Matt Smith had
"I am the Doctor,"
569
00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:56,670
which was probably
the best-known of them.
570
00:24:56,672 --> 00:24:58,172
I'm the Doctor.
571
00:25:02,944 --> 00:25:07,715
Basically...
572
00:25:07,717 --> 00:25:08,949
Run.
573
00:25:19,627 --> 00:25:21,095
Doctor twelve
has a theme, too.
574
00:25:21,097 --> 00:25:24,732
Right, now, I'm interested,
because obviously we've had
575
00:25:24,734 --> 00:25:28,602
since the program returned
a succession of younger doctors,
576
00:25:28,604 --> 00:25:30,671
with Matt Smith
being the youngest,
577
00:25:30,673 --> 00:25:33,674
and now we've gone in a
completely different direction.
578
00:25:33,676 --> 00:25:36,343
How has that affected
the way that you approach
579
00:25:36,345 --> 00:25:38,779
this Doctor's music
or this Doctor's theme,
580
00:25:38,781 --> 00:25:40,014
number twelve?
581
00:25:40,016 --> 00:25:42,016
Well, he's quite rock and roll,
Peter Capaldi.
582
00:25:42,018 --> 00:25:44,151
Oh, right, okay,
that's interesting.
583
00:25:44,153 --> 00:25:47,071
Well, when you look at him,
he wears his clothes well
584
00:25:47,073 --> 00:25:49,373
and he likes music a lot,
and, you know,
585
00:25:49,375 --> 00:25:51,291
he's from
a certain generation,
586
00:25:51,293 --> 00:25:55,529
but probably a generation
that really adored music.
587
00:25:55,531 --> 00:25:57,297
He sat in, actually.
588
00:25:57,299 --> 00:26:01,101
He was in the orchestra
area when we recorded
589
00:26:01,103 --> 00:26:04,304
his theme and when we played it
for the very first time,
590
00:26:04,306 --> 00:26:07,574
and we were just all staring at
his face on the monitors,
591
00:26:07,576 --> 00:26:09,843
and he was smiling,
so that was good.
592
00:26:09,845 --> 00:26:12,479
Yeah, I mean,
it's a lovely thing to happen,
593
00:26:12,481 --> 00:26:15,149
to see it there and be at
the first performance ever
594
00:26:15,151 --> 00:26:16,550
of your own theme.
595
00:26:16,552 --> 00:26:19,853
I hadn't even heard it,
so luckily it didn't sound like
596
00:26:19,855 --> 00:26:22,923
an orchestra falling down
a staircase.
597
00:26:22,925 --> 00:26:26,360
Is it a different sort of music
that you're writing
598
00:26:26,362 --> 00:26:29,596
for these episodes as a whole
than you wrote for
599
00:26:29,598 --> 00:26:32,099
the Matt Smith
or previous doctors?
600
00:26:32,101 --> 00:26:33,700
Well, it's interesting.
601
00:26:33,702 --> 00:26:37,137
It is a little bit darker,
and in that context,
602
00:26:37,139 --> 00:26:40,908
the lighter moments,
which are obviously still there
603
00:26:40,910 --> 00:26:43,911
because it's Doctor Who,
they sort of --
604
00:26:43,913 --> 00:26:47,047
they sound a little bit brighter
for being
605
00:26:47,049 --> 00:26:49,383
in amongst a lot of darkness,
yeah.
606
00:26:49,385 --> 00:26:51,752
So these things --
so even the stuff
607
00:26:51,754 --> 00:26:53,987
that's the same
sounds different,
608
00:26:53,989 --> 00:26:55,422
if you see what I mean.
609
00:26:55,424 --> 00:26:57,925
So I suppose the ultimate Doctor
would need an ultimate theme.
610
00:26:57,927 --> 00:26:59,960
Can you give me any idea
of what you would put in
611
00:26:59,962 --> 00:27:02,162
the ultimate Doctor's theme?
612
00:27:02,164 --> 00:27:05,232
Well, it would
have to have adventure
613
00:27:05,234 --> 00:27:09,236
and romance and comedy
and braininess and nerdiness
614
00:27:09,238 --> 00:27:13,907
and bravery, and, you know,
I don't know.
615
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:15,709
I think it would be
the most intricate
616
00:27:15,711 --> 00:27:17,678
piece of music ever written
or the longest.
617
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,247
Or very long, it would have to
be a very long piece, yeah.
618
00:27:20,249 --> 00:27:23,283
Here we have doctors six,
seven, and eight.
619
00:27:23,285 --> 00:27:25,519
Oh, we have to sit
in the right order.
620
00:27:25,521 --> 00:27:26,753
Let's move round.
621
00:27:26,755 --> 00:27:29,156
Oh, not just
an unpredictable bunch.
622
00:27:29,158 --> 00:27:30,524
Like the Doctor himself,
623
00:27:30,526 --> 00:27:32,926
this lot can't sit still
for two minutes.
624
00:27:34,896 --> 00:27:36,930
Howdy! That's,
um, Texan for hello.
625
00:27:36,932 --> 00:27:39,900
And welcome to the good old
U.S. of "A."
626
00:27:41,703 --> 00:27:43,270
Welcome to America!
627
00:27:45,073 --> 00:27:46,874
To help me
discover what would make
628
00:27:46,876 --> 00:27:48,642
the ultimate Time Lord,
I've traveled
629
00:27:48,644 --> 00:27:50,310
to Houston in Texas
to meet up
630
00:27:50,312 --> 00:27:52,346
with some of
the previous doctors,
631
00:27:52,348 --> 00:27:55,849
who are appearing at
a science fiction convention.
632
00:27:56,484 --> 00:27:58,418
What's this?
633
00:27:58,420 --> 00:28:00,254
I don't know, really.
634
00:28:00,256 --> 00:28:01,622
We're wanted.
635
00:28:01,624 --> 00:28:03,023
Wanted for what?
636
00:28:03,025 --> 00:28:05,292
And what does it have to do
with John Barrowman?
637
00:28:05,294 --> 00:28:07,427
Great, guys, great,
you're all here.
638
00:28:07,429 --> 00:28:09,563
We don't need these anymore.
All right, thanks very much.
639
00:28:09,565 --> 00:28:12,900
Um, listen. I've been set
this sort of mission, okay,
640
00:28:12,902 --> 00:28:16,270
to see if I can find a design
for the ultimate Doctor,
641
00:28:16,272 --> 00:28:19,273
and I just wondered if
you have any suggestions
642
00:28:19,275 --> 00:28:23,143
about what qualities you think
an ultimate Doctor might have.
643
00:28:23,145 --> 00:28:26,146
I think he should be small,
really, 'cause he represents
644
00:28:26,148 --> 00:28:29,483
the small man battling
against great odds.
645
00:28:29,485 --> 00:28:31,952
He should be a big man
to encompass
646
00:28:31,954 --> 00:28:35,088
the enormity of
space and time.
647
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:37,691
Here we have doctors six,
seven, and eight,
648
00:28:37,693 --> 00:28:40,527
and I just wonder if
there are any qualities --
649
00:28:40,529 --> 00:28:43,096
Six, seven, eight,
no, you got that wrong.
650
00:28:43,098 --> 00:28:45,699
He's eight, and you said six,
seven, eight.
651
00:28:45,701 --> 00:28:48,468
You're five. I'm five.
I'm five, you're six --
652
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:50,804
so you're just sitting
in the wrong order
653
00:28:50,806 --> 00:28:51,905
to confuse me.
654
00:28:51,907 --> 00:28:54,608
Oh, we have to sit
in the right order.
655
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:55,943
Let's move around.
656
00:28:55,945 --> 00:28:58,545
Hmm, not just
an unpredictable bunch.
657
00:28:58,547 --> 00:28:59,947
Like the Doctor himself,
658
00:28:59,949 --> 00:29:02,316
this lot can't sit still
for two minutes.
659
00:29:02,318 --> 00:29:04,918
Are there any qualities
from the previous doctors
660
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,353
that you'd like to --
661
00:29:06,355 --> 00:29:09,489
that you wanted to bring into
your particular portrayal of --
662
00:29:09,491 --> 00:29:10,791
going away, really.
663
00:29:10,793 --> 00:29:12,926
Going away so
we could come in.
664
00:29:12,928 --> 00:29:15,529
Just leaving.
That's the favorite...
665
00:29:15,531 --> 00:29:17,097
characteristic for me.
666
00:29:17,099 --> 00:29:19,733
I obviously resuscitated
the whole thing.
667
00:29:19,735 --> 00:29:20,735
Yes, I know.
668
00:29:20,736 --> 00:29:22,269
You did resuscitate it.
669
00:29:22,271 --> 00:29:24,271
So any
particular qualities
670
00:29:24,273 --> 00:29:27,341
that you enjoyed playing
when you were the Doctor?
671
00:29:27,343 --> 00:29:29,710
Spoons. I enjoyed
playing the spoons
672
00:29:29,712 --> 00:29:31,778
when I was the Doctor.
673
00:29:36,317 --> 00:29:39,253
Would you suggest that the other
doctors play the spoons?
674
00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:41,588
I think that is --
yes, it's very important.
675
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:43,757
Musical instrument.
So what advice --
676
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:44,858
I played an organ.
677
00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:48,328
I played Tocatta and Fugue
by Bach.
678
00:29:52,067 --> 00:29:54,167
Shh!
679
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:56,003
Thanks very much
for your help.
680
00:29:56,005 --> 00:29:57,537
You've really been wonderful.
681
00:29:57,539 --> 00:29:59,006
I'll rather miss you.
682
00:29:59,008 --> 00:30:00,841
Who is he?
Who was that?
683
00:30:00,843 --> 00:30:02,743
Do you know who
that was?
684
00:30:02,745 --> 00:30:04,144
Jim Davison.
Ah.
685
00:30:04,146 --> 00:30:06,680
What a fat lot
of good they were.
686
00:30:06,682 --> 00:30:10,284
I think it's time to meet
the new kid on the block.
687
00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:11,718
I'm off to Cardiff.
688
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,654
Hopefully.
689
00:30:19,127 --> 00:30:21,295
Safely back in Cardiff,
I'm hoping to meet
690
00:30:21,297 --> 00:30:23,864
the new twelfth Doctor,
Peter Capaldi, but first...
691
00:30:23,866 --> 00:30:25,966
I know just the man
who might be able to
692
00:30:25,968 --> 00:30:28,001
give us a few ideas
about what it takes
693
00:30:28,003 --> 00:30:29,503
to create the ultimate Doctor.
694
00:30:29,505 --> 00:30:30,505
Come with me.
695
00:30:30,806 --> 00:30:33,106
So, Steven, I feel as if
696
00:30:33,108 --> 00:30:35,075
I'm at the end of
a very long road,
697
00:30:35,077 --> 00:30:37,544
a quest to discover
if it's possible to create
698
00:30:37,546 --> 00:30:39,879
the ultimate Doctor,
and while I understand
699
00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:42,449
that each Doctor in
his own way is the ultimate,
700
00:30:42,451 --> 00:30:45,018
if it was possible to
cherry-pick certain ideas,
701
00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:47,220
certain attributes
from various doctors,
702
00:30:47,222 --> 00:30:50,557
what do you think
the essential point is?
703
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,692
The first thing is he is
always the same person.
704
00:30:52,694 --> 00:30:54,894
I mean, we can get carried away
with talking about
705
00:30:54,896 --> 00:30:56,930
how different they are --
they are different,
706
00:30:56,932 --> 00:30:59,032
you are different,
but there are certain things
707
00:30:59,034 --> 00:31:00,834
that are absolutely
there all the time.
708
00:31:00,836 --> 00:31:03,103
He's not particularly heroic,
which is an odd thing
709
00:31:03,105 --> 00:31:05,038
to say about a hero.
He's sort of restless,
710
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,573
he's an adrenaline junkie.
711
00:31:06,575 --> 00:31:09,676
He blunders into situations
where a hero is required,
712
00:31:09,678 --> 00:31:12,812
and because he's a good man,
he sort of gets involved.
713
00:31:12,814 --> 00:31:17,083
He doesn't stick around and sort
out the government's problems
714
00:31:17,085 --> 00:31:19,853
or starvation or --
there's no post--
715
00:31:19,855 --> 00:31:23,056
there's no post-trauma care
with the Doctor,
716
00:31:23,058 --> 00:31:26,126
but he's a restless,
fantastic enthusiast.
717
00:31:26,128 --> 00:31:29,095
Yes, yes. Of course,
I've got this list.
718
00:31:29,097 --> 00:31:30,630
You see, I went to see
a psychologist
719
00:31:30,632 --> 00:31:31,931
and he gave me this list.
720
00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:34,567
Unfortunately, he wrote it
in rather large writing,
721
00:31:34,569 --> 00:31:37,704
but here, this is the list
he came up with.
722
00:31:37,706 --> 00:31:41,741
Wisdom, optimism, leadership,
sense of fun, unpredictable.
723
00:31:41,743 --> 00:31:43,276
Well, gee, that's interesting,
isn't it?
724
00:31:43,278 --> 00:31:46,479
Wisdom, kind of,
but he's a deeply unwise man.
725
00:31:46,481 --> 00:31:47,580
In a way, yes.
726
00:31:47,582 --> 00:31:50,083
Blundering into
insane situations,
727
00:31:50,085 --> 00:31:52,352
overestimating what
he can do.
728
00:31:52,354 --> 00:31:55,021
I also kind of think the Doctor
flings himself out a window
729
00:31:55,023 --> 00:31:57,390
and works out what to do
about that on the way down,
730
00:31:57,392 --> 00:31:59,192
and if he had
a sandwich in his hand,
731
00:31:59,194 --> 00:32:00,493
he would finish it.
732
00:32:00,495 --> 00:32:02,729
Optimism, well, he would
finish the sandwich, absolutely.
733
00:32:02,731 --> 00:32:05,926
Leadership, again,
kind of.
734
00:32:05,987 --> 00:32:09,322
He's got that -- he never leaves
the Time Lord behind, does he?
735
00:32:09,324 --> 00:32:12,191
As sweet as he is and man
of the people though he is,
736
00:32:12,193 --> 00:32:14,277
he sort of thinks everyone
should listen to him
737
00:32:14,278 --> 00:32:15,759
'cause he's cleverer
and more important.
738
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,792
Never loses that.
739
00:32:16,794 --> 00:32:19,661
Sense of fun,
huge sense of fun.
740
00:32:19,663 --> 00:32:22,164
You see, what you're doing
is confirming what I suspect,
741
00:32:22,166 --> 00:32:23,966
and that is that
the ultimate Doctor's
742
00:32:23,968 --> 00:32:25,667
not the same as
the perfect Doctor.
743
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:28,003
As a writer, isn't it
more interesting to write
744
00:32:28,005 --> 00:32:29,872
about the Doctor's flaws,
and...
745
00:32:29,874 --> 00:32:32,041
Well, the flaws are
what make the show.
746
00:32:32,043 --> 00:32:34,510
I mean, he's funny because
he's deeply flawed.
747
00:32:34,512 --> 00:32:37,012
No one has ever suggested
he's morally perfect
748
00:32:37,014 --> 00:32:39,014
or that he's
particularly rational.
749
00:32:39,016 --> 00:32:41,216
I don't think he's
even marginally sane.
750
00:32:41,218 --> 00:32:43,786
It's all these flaws
that make up the story.
751
00:32:43,788 --> 00:32:46,288
If he had really --
if he was so concerned
752
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:48,924
about all the goodness
in the universe,
753
00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:51,417
why didn't he stay on Gallifrey
and make the Time Lords better?
754
00:32:51,418 --> 00:32:53,718
But he didn't.
Essentially, he's a man
755
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,287
who stole a car and drove off
into the night
756
00:32:56,289 --> 00:32:58,123
and never agreed
to stay anywhere
757
00:32:58,125 --> 00:32:59,391
for more than one night.
758
00:32:59,393 --> 00:33:01,693
What we love about him
is the fact he never,
759
00:33:01,695 --> 00:33:02,695
ever grew up.
760
00:33:02,696 --> 00:33:03,928
We are about to get
761
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:07,504
another Doctor,
so is he the ultimate Doctor?
762
00:33:07,505 --> 00:33:09,772
Is there anything you can
tell us about him?
763
00:33:09,774 --> 00:33:12,141
Well, he's very Peter Capaldi,
and no one does
764
00:33:12,143 --> 00:33:13,486
Peter Capaldi better
than Peter Capaldi,
765
00:33:13,487 --> 00:33:14,787
so thank God we cast him.
766
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:15,888
Excellent idea.
767
00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:17,790
Yes, it is, it's spot on.
What's he like?
768
00:33:17,792 --> 00:33:20,459
He's a much more
difficult to control,
769
00:33:20,461 --> 00:33:22,661
uncontrollable madman
than he was before.
770
00:33:22,663 --> 00:33:24,797
We're going back to
that sort of Doctor,
771
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,198
the Doctor as someone who's
772
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,533
a bit off their leash.
773
00:33:27,535 --> 00:33:29,468
I know that Peter used to
watch the show as a child,
774
00:33:29,470 --> 00:33:31,103
so this must be
a dream come true.
775
00:33:31,105 --> 00:33:32,371
To follow in your footsteps.
776
00:33:32,373 --> 00:33:34,006
Well, of course
mine particularly.
777
00:33:34,008 --> 00:33:35,008
We have the same name.
778
00:33:35,009 --> 00:33:36,242
So how's he coping with it?
779
00:33:36,244 --> 00:33:37,810
I think he's
actually loving it,
780
00:33:37,812 --> 00:33:39,812
but the quickest way
to find out will be to,
781
00:33:39,814 --> 00:33:40,814
well, go and ask him.
782
00:33:40,815 --> 00:33:42,514
When you do,
specify you're not here
783
00:33:42,516 --> 00:33:43,849
to get his job,
all right?
784
00:33:43,851 --> 00:33:45,251
He gets nervous.
785
00:33:45,253 --> 00:33:49,088
I get nervous myself.
I'm about to meet a Doctor.
786
00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:54,360
This Doctor is a little less
user-friendly.
787
00:33:54,362 --> 00:33:56,996
You know,
I think he's quite alien.
788
00:33:56,998 --> 00:34:00,733
I think he's -- somewhere in
the regenerative process,
789
00:34:00,735 --> 00:34:04,904
I think his social skills may
have become a little blunted.
790
00:34:05,624 --> 00:34:07,631
Well here I am nearly at
the end of my journey,
791
00:34:07,632 --> 00:34:08,765
and I'm about to speak to
792
00:34:08,767 --> 00:34:10,299
the man himself,
Peter Capaldi.
793
00:34:10,301 --> 00:34:11,534
It's time to find out
794
00:34:11,536 --> 00:34:13,903
how he's feeling
about becoming a Doctor
795
00:34:13,905 --> 00:34:16,639
and what he thinks makes
the ultimate Time Lord.
796
00:34:20,862 --> 00:34:23,897
Um, so, Peter,
thank you for joining us.
797
00:34:23,899 --> 00:34:25,199
When this part came along,
798
00:34:25,201 --> 00:34:29,002
had you been preparing for it
for about 40 years?
799
00:34:29,004 --> 00:34:32,606
Well, the truth of the matter
is I haven't, really,
800
00:34:32,608 --> 00:34:35,542
because I never really
attained the idea
801
00:34:35,544 --> 00:34:38,712
of playing him, you know,
as a professional actor.
802
00:34:38,714 --> 00:34:41,315
I mean, obviously,
at school I played it
803
00:34:41,317 --> 00:34:43,250
in the playground,
you know,
804
00:34:43,252 --> 00:34:45,652
and I played all
those early doctors.
805
00:34:45,654 --> 00:34:47,621
It just didn't occur to me
806
00:34:47,623 --> 00:34:49,423
that they would go for
somebody like me.
807
00:34:49,425 --> 00:34:52,159
Loved watching it,
loved seeing it all happening,
808
00:34:52,161 --> 00:34:55,629
but never really considered that
I would be in the frame for it,
809
00:34:55,631 --> 00:34:58,198
particularly, you know,
as the series went on,
810
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,767
you know, and I loved Chris
and I loved David
811
00:35:00,769 --> 00:35:02,436
and I loved Matt,
but the direction
812
00:35:02,438 --> 00:35:04,638
they were going in was
getting younger and younger
813
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,740
and younger,
so I never for a second
814
00:35:06,742 --> 00:35:09,610
thought that they would
come after somebody like me.
815
00:35:14,182 --> 00:35:15,916
Clara, be my pal.
816
00:35:15,918 --> 00:35:18,652
Tell me,
am I a good man?
817
00:35:18,654 --> 00:35:20,854
I don't think I know who
the Doctor is anymore.
818
00:35:20,856 --> 00:35:24,892
Even if I did not think that I
was ever going to be Doctor Who,
819
00:35:24,894 --> 00:35:27,127
probably Doctor Who
in some way
820
00:35:27,129 --> 00:35:29,530
made me the actor I am.
821
00:35:29,532 --> 00:35:33,000
I probably had a whole pile
of Doctor Whos in my head
822
00:35:33,002 --> 00:35:34,968
when I first
wandered onstage,
823
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:38,906
so I think they probably
fed into how I act,
824
00:35:38,908 --> 00:35:42,476
for better or worse,
so there's a whole
825
00:35:42,478 --> 00:35:47,147
kind of bit of me I guess
that sort of knows how to --
826
00:35:47,149 --> 00:35:49,616
I think I know how to do it,
827
00:35:49,618 --> 00:35:52,186
and I think this is one of
the difficult things
828
00:35:52,188 --> 00:35:54,488
about the part,
is you have to be sort of
829
00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:58,325
sometimes quite funny
and sometimes quite light,
830
00:35:58,327 --> 00:36:01,361
sometimes quite somber,
but also an alien.
831
00:36:01,363 --> 00:36:03,997
Was there anything that
you wanted to bring,
832
00:36:03,999 --> 00:36:06,400
any essential qualities
of the Doctor --
833
00:36:06,402 --> 00:36:09,369
and not necessarily that
haven't been there before,
834
00:36:09,371 --> 00:36:12,506
but something you wanted
to focus on with your Doctor?
835
00:36:12,508 --> 00:36:15,642
I wanted to kind of put
some mystery into him.
836
00:36:15,644 --> 00:36:19,379
I think that's really difficult
when you have a character
837
00:36:19,381 --> 00:36:22,516
that's been around for 50 years
and people are
838
00:36:22,518 --> 00:36:29,089
so devoted to and very familiar
with all the minutiae
839
00:36:29,091 --> 00:36:32,693
of his various regenerations.
840
00:36:32,695 --> 00:36:35,896
And I sort of wasn't --
you know, not really sure
841
00:36:35,898 --> 00:36:37,097
how you do that.
842
00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:40,000
Sometimes I've been
helped by the writing.
843
00:36:40,002 --> 00:36:43,337
There are things
this Doctor can do
844
00:36:43,339 --> 00:36:47,207
that we haven't seen
the other doctors do.
845
00:36:47,209 --> 00:36:52,646
And there are things that
only an alien can do.
846
00:36:52,648 --> 00:36:54,081
But they're sparing.
847
00:36:54,083 --> 00:36:56,783
You know, we don't
use them very much.
848
00:36:56,785 --> 00:36:59,486
But there are occasions
you will see something
849
00:36:59,488 --> 00:37:01,655
that the other doctors
haven't done.
850
00:37:01,657 --> 00:37:06,760
I see into your soul,
Doctor!
851
00:37:06,762 --> 00:37:12,499
I see beauty,
divinity, hatred!
852
00:37:12,501 --> 00:37:16,670
I think sometimes he's sort of
fairly unpredictable,
853
00:37:16,672 --> 00:37:21,275
which is another way of sort of
making someone unknowable.
854
00:37:21,277 --> 00:37:25,212
But I think he is also
struggling to find himself.
855
00:37:25,214 --> 00:37:28,081
And mystery, actually,
is something that
856
00:37:28,083 --> 00:37:30,017
hasn't really
come up before.
857
00:37:30,019 --> 00:37:32,653
I think it's very difficult
because there's
858
00:37:32,655 --> 00:37:35,489
an appetite to know,
and the program has become
859
00:37:35,491 --> 00:37:37,924
very adept at satisfying
that appetite
860
00:37:37,926 --> 00:37:40,427
and telling you more
about the back story
861
00:37:40,429 --> 00:37:42,863
and linking up the past
to the present,
862
00:37:42,865 --> 00:37:45,365
and there's something at
the heart of the program
863
00:37:45,367 --> 00:37:46,767
that is powerful and potent
864
00:37:46,769 --> 00:37:50,337
but you can't quite put
your finger on what it is.
865
00:37:50,339 --> 00:37:52,339
I think anything with
monsters in it is fun,
866
00:37:52,341 --> 00:37:53,874
especially when
you're a child.
867
00:37:57,412 --> 00:38:01,381
This Doctor is a little less
user-friendly.
868
00:38:01,383 --> 00:38:04,718
You know,
I think he's quite alien.
869
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:09,523
I think he's -- somewhere in
the regenerative process,
870
00:38:09,525 --> 00:38:14,695
I think his social skills may
have become a little blunted.
871
00:38:14,697 --> 00:38:18,965
And certainly his understanding
of human beings
872
00:38:18,967 --> 00:38:22,536
and their needs,
their day to day
873
00:38:22,538 --> 00:38:26,773
emotional needs,
if you like, escape him.
874
00:38:28,776 --> 00:38:31,378
Kidneys!
I've got new kidneys!
875
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:32,946
I don't like the color.
876
00:38:32,948 --> 00:38:34,114
Of your kidneys?
877
00:38:34,116 --> 00:38:35,515
What's happening?
878
00:38:35,517 --> 00:38:37,851
We're probably crashing.
Oh!
879
00:38:37,853 --> 00:38:38,985
Into what?
880
00:38:38,987 --> 00:38:41,021
Stay calm.
881
00:38:41,023 --> 00:38:44,324
Just one question.
882
00:38:44,326 --> 00:38:47,260
Do you happen to know
how to fly this thing?
883
00:38:47,262 --> 00:38:52,165
So is the love affair with
the human race slightly less?
884
00:38:52,167 --> 00:38:55,635
I think he respects them
very highly.
885
00:38:55,637 --> 00:38:57,537
I think he thinks --
886
00:38:57,539 --> 00:39:02,342
he sees the best of them
and the worst of them.
887
00:39:02,344 --> 00:39:07,214
But it's such a quite
dramatic end of the scale.
888
00:39:07,216 --> 00:39:11,284
He can be very sensitive.
889
00:39:11,286 --> 00:39:15,522
He's sort of --
he has to kind of relearn
890
00:39:15,524 --> 00:39:20,460
how to deal with humans,
because he keeps putting
891
00:39:20,462 --> 00:39:23,730
his foot in it
and messing it up.
892
00:39:23,732 --> 00:39:26,933
He's quite funny,
and of course,
893
00:39:26,935 --> 00:39:30,904
Steven's writing,
so his great one-liners.
894
00:39:30,906 --> 00:39:33,340
It's very -- he doesn't --
895
00:39:33,342 --> 00:39:37,444
his intellect is not
quite as available to him
896
00:39:37,446 --> 00:39:38,578
so instantly.
897
00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:41,248
I think it's hard
for him to --
898
00:39:41,250 --> 00:39:44,918
he knows the solution
is in his head somewhere.
899
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,454
I remember talking to
Steven Moffat at the time,
900
00:39:47,456 --> 00:39:50,690
when it had just been announced
when you were playing the part,
901
00:39:50,692 --> 00:39:52,426
and he said to me,
in the end,
902
00:39:52,428 --> 00:39:54,561
he just couldn't
resist the opportunity
903
00:39:54,563 --> 00:39:55,896
to make someone so happy.
904
00:39:56,899 --> 00:39:58,098
Well, it's true.
905
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:01,168
I mean, he has made me
incredibly happy.
906
00:40:01,170 --> 00:40:03,670
Has it lived up to your
expectations
907
00:40:03,672 --> 00:40:04,905
in the making of the --
908
00:40:04,907 --> 00:40:06,006
Oh, yeah.
909
00:40:06,008 --> 00:40:09,009
It's just extraordinary
and I can't --
910
00:40:09,011 --> 00:40:12,913
you know, I literally wake up
in the morning and go,
911
00:40:12,915 --> 00:40:14,247
"I'm Doctor Who!
912
00:40:14,249 --> 00:40:15,549
I'm still Doctor Who."
913
00:40:15,551 --> 00:40:18,452
And I go to work and I get
dressed up as Doctor Who
914
00:40:18,454 --> 00:40:20,954
and I go in the TARDIS
and I fight monsters
915
00:40:20,956 --> 00:40:22,489
and all that kind of stuff.
916
00:40:22,491 --> 00:40:23,890
It's been extraordinary.
917
00:40:23,892 --> 00:40:25,826
You clearly have
been planning this
918
00:40:25,828 --> 00:40:27,794
for the last 40 years.
919
00:40:27,796 --> 00:40:29,129
I can't wait.
920
00:40:29,131 --> 00:40:30,330
Thank you very much indeed.
921
00:40:30,332 --> 00:40:31,865
You're very welcome.
Thank you.
922
00:40:31,867 --> 00:40:33,600
Thank you very much.
That was lovely.
923
00:40:35,865 --> 00:40:38,667
Well, here I am at
the very end of my journey,
924
00:40:38,669 --> 00:40:41,537
and this is where I should be
presenting to you
925
00:40:41,539 --> 00:40:44,573
the definitive formula
for the ultimate Time Lord.
926
00:40:44,575 --> 00:40:45,841
Except I can't.
927
00:40:45,843 --> 00:40:48,577
You see, as I've collected
and collated the data,
928
00:40:48,579 --> 00:40:51,413
I've come to realize that
each and every Doctor
929
00:40:51,415 --> 00:40:53,015
is the ultimate Time Lord.
930
00:40:53,017 --> 00:40:55,784
It's just a matter of
balancing the equation.
931
00:40:55,786 --> 00:40:58,487
The pros and the cons,
the good and the bad,
932
00:40:58,489 --> 00:41:01,290
the good traits with
the occasional bad trait.
933
00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:03,659
In the end,
it balances perfectly.
934
00:41:03,661 --> 00:41:06,528
Now, you might well say,
and quite rightly,
935
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:09,298
how can you have
twelve ultimate doctors?
936
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:13,635
But you'd be overlooking
the obvious truth --
937
00:41:13,637 --> 00:41:15,837
he's a Time Lord,
he travels in time.
938
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:19,007
It's all about that one moment
when you create the Doctor,
939
00:41:19,009 --> 00:41:21,376
and at this precise
moment in time,
940
00:41:21,378 --> 00:41:26,248
there's no doubt the ultimate
Time Lord is Peter Capaldi.
941
00:41:28,117 --> 00:41:30,352
Bet you didn't see that coming,
did you?
942
00:41:30,354 --> 00:41:36,354
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