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Doctor Who.
It's one of Britain's
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biggest television successes,
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both here in the U.K.
and abroad.
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Now over 50 years old
and broadcast
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all over the world,
I say that's quite impressive.
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Over the years,
the show has seen many changes.
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So far we've traveled
with eleven doctors and...
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An awful lot of companions.
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And things are about
to change again.
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Companion Clara Oswald
is about to begin
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a whole new adventure
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as actor Peter Capaldi
steps onboard the TARDIS
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to become the twelfth Doctor.
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I spent three years
playing the fifth Doctor,
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but now I want to know
what life is like
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as the Doctor's companion,
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so I'm beginning
a journey of my own.
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I want to know what it takes
to be the ultimate
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Doctor Who companion.
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Can it be done?
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I'm about to find out.
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♪ Doctor Who♪
The Ultimate Companion
Original Air Date on August 16, 2013
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== sync, corrected by elderman ==
@elder_man
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Coming up on my quest for
the ultimate companion,
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I meet up with the ultimate
in Doctor Who talent.
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I get the chance to speak
to Clara Oswald herself,
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actor Jenna Coleman.
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The new Doctor
ruffles her feathers
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in a way that
the other Doctor didn't.
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Davison: I take a stroll
down memory lane
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with former companion
Noel Clarke.
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The companions makes it
relatable to the guy at home
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who's like, "well,
I can't quite be the Doctor,
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but I could be
the companion."
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Got it? Thank you.
Yeah.
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Davison: I go to America
and hear from the very popular
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John Barrowman.
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Once you are in this --
I call it
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the who family,
you're there for
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the rest of your life.
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Davison: I walk the corridors
of the Doctor Who studios
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with showrunner Steven Moffat.
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Moffat: The companion
goes on
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a different journey from
being just an ordinary person
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sometimes to being
a superhero.
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Davison: I go
to the movies to see
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the tenth Doctor,
David Tennant,
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back on the big screen.
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He seems drawn back to
the idea of a soulmate.
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Davison: And I hear exclusively
from the new twelfth Doctor,
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actor Peter Capaldi.
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There's a little bit of me
that likes hearing
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Clara shout, "Doctor, Doctor!"
As we run down the corridor.
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Oh, hello.
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I'm just trying to get my
trusty TARDIS moving again.
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It's been well over
30 years since
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I began my time
as the fifth Doctor,
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and they've finally given me
a copy of the manual.
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Fascinating.
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It's all coming back to me.
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As Tom Baker's
fourth Doctor regenerated,
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my time onboard the TARDIS
as the fifth Doctor began.
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Together with my
trusty companions,
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it was quite an experience.
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My time as the Doctor
provided plenty of adventures
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as I traveled through
space and time,
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but like the Time Lords
that had gone before me,
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I didn't travel alone.
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The Doctor's always
needed a companion,
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or two or three,
to assist him in
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his time-traveling adventures
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and to get him out of
the occasional scrape, or two.
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Or three.
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You can see where I'm
going with this, can't you?
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No? Okay.
It's time for a clip.
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Even today,
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the Doctor's companion,
Clara Oswald,
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can be relied upon to
get him out of trouble
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and to occasionally
save his life.
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No. Please.
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If this works,
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get out of here
as fast as you can
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and spare me a thought
now and then.
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No. Clara.
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In fact,
do you know what?
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Run.
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Run, you clever boy.
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And remember me.
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No. Clara!
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Being a Doctor's companion,
often the Doctor's lifesaver,
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is a big responsibility,
so just what does it take?
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I want to find out for myself,
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what type of
characters are they?
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Is there a formula
or a blueprint
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to create a Doctor Who
companion,
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and if so, what would it
take to create
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the ultimate
Doctor Who companion?
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So, with my trusty TARDIS
now up and running,
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I think it's time I took
one last trip to find out.
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[ Grinding ]
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[ Alarm ]
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The Doctor is a strange
and unknowable man.
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He's -- you might be
fascinated by him
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and in a way
seduced by him,
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but you don't ever
quite know him.
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You don't even know his name.
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So the main character
of Doctor Who,
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in most cases,
the person whose journey
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you're watching is actually
the companion's journey.
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They're not just
the Doctor's companion.
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In a way, the Doctor's
their companion.
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It's about Rose Tyler
or Amy Pond or Clara Oswald.
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It's their story,
their journey,
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how that begins
and how that ends.
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It's not that the companion
is important to Doctor Who.
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You could almost argue
the companion is Doctor Who.
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She is the person
or he is the person
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who is asking that question
embodied in the title.
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Davison: Ever since
the first Doctor,
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there have been companions,
and when it came to my Doctor,
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I was spoiled for choice.
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I had five in total,
and they were all
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very different to each other.
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To help me gain
a better idea
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of what it was like
to travel with
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the Doctor back then,
I've invited round
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Janet Fielding,
who played Tegan,
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and Sarah Sutton,
who played Nyssa
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to get an insider's
point of view.
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The main reason
I've asked you here
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is I'm set on a mission.
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I'm on a quest to discover
if it's possible
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to design
the ultimate companion.
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And as in my mind, you two
were ultimate companions...
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Well said.
Good answer.
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So far.
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I just wondered if you have
any ideas about, you know,
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what makes
an ultimate companion,
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what qualities
do they have to have?
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Well, to me the Doctor
perhaps sees
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the problem-solving thing
in a different way.
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'Cause if the assistant
or companion, beg your pardon,
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wasn't there getting
into trouble,
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then the Doctor would have
just gone off
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and done his own thing,
solved something in one way,
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and maybe the companion
makes the Doctor
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see things through
a different perspective.
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Do you agree?
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Yes, of course,
but isn't it true,
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or maybe it wasn't so true,
then,
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that we see the TARDIS
and the Doctor's adventures
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through the eyes
of the companion?
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I think it's truer now,
isn't it?
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Yeah, I think so.
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It's much truer now.
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I think the companions now,
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much more -- you know,
you relate to them much more.
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Davison: So let's see
how the companions'
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relationship with
the Doctor has changed.
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Cue Clara.
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The Doctor: Draft.
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Fancy a week
in ancient Mesopotamia
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followed by future Mars?
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Will there be cocktails?
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On the Moon.
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The Moon'll do.
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Ha ha!
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Davison: What they've discovered
in the new series,
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it seems to me,
is just how to make
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the companions
just more important.
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The doctors were
more emotionally remote
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in the '80s,
weren't they?
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Yes.
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So the whole point
was that you weren't --
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your characters weren't
very emotional.
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You were complete outsiders.
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Whereas you notice --
especially I notice
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with Matt Smith,
watching the interaction
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between him,
Rory, and Amy,
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and he does that with
a certain air of wistfulness.
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2,000 years.
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The boy who waited.
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Good on you, mate.
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Have you got any contributions
in terms of
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what traits and qualities
I should put on my list
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for my ultimate companion?
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It's that likability,
and you have to have
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a fallibility,
I think you do,
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you have to have flaws,
you know?
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I think the flaws,
actually,
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I'm beginning to realize
the flaws are as important,
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really, as the qualities.
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To create the drama.
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Well, thank you both
very much for coming along,
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and it's been very useful
to talk to you.
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It's fair to say
that the tenth Doctor
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recruited a diverse range
of companions,
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so who better to ask
about what makes
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an ultimate companion
than the man himself,
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actor David Tennant?
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No, Jackie, no,
no, not you.
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Don't touch anything,
just...
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Davison: As Clara Oswald
is about to start
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a new journey with
a new Doctor played by actor
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Peter Capaldi, I want to know
what she should expect
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when a new Doctor begins
his time on the TARDIS.
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No, no!
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Please don't change.
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Davison: So I've met up with
actress Nicola Bryant,
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who played my American companion
Peri Brown,
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to find out how she managed
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when I regenerated
from the fifth Doctor
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into Colin Baker's
new sixth Doctor.
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You had it
particularly difficult,
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and it's a problem that
Jenna Coleman is
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about to come up against,
and that is that up to now,
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you did two
very nice stories
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with me as the Doctor,
including, actually,
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one of the greatest Doctor Who
stories ever made,
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"The Caves of Androzani,"
and then at the end of that,
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suddenly, whoosh,
I turn into Colin Baker,
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and you have a completely
different Doctor to deal with.
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Now, we built up
a kind of relationship
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over those two stories.
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How difficult was it then
to move on?
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I think in terms of
the character,
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in terms of Peri, you just,
like an actor,
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you have to be
incredibly flexible.
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I think the reason
she stayed --
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'cause you have to
find the reason.
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Why am I staying
with this new Doctor
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who in my case was particularly
cantankerous and difficult?
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Doctor?
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You were expecting
someone else?
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I...I...I...
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Those three "I's" in one breath
makes you sound
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a rather egotistical
young lady.
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And I look at
Doctor Who now,
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and I just wondered
how you viewed
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the Doctor Who now
in the sense that I think
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when it came back,
from Rose onwards, really,
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the companion became so much
more of an important part.
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I have to say that
when I saw Rose,
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it was almost like her journey
was the journey
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that I wanted
Peri to go on.
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I love you.
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Quite right, too.
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And I suppose...
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It's my last chance
to say it.
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Rose Tyler --
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Davison: Okay,
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I think we've established
on top of everything else,
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we doctors give the companions
a big problem.
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No sooner do we welcome them
into the TARDIS,
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make them feel really at home,
and we suddenly
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turn into someone
completely different.
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They have to be the ultimate
in adaptability
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and yet know exactly
what they want.
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Clara is an unusual one
because she has to
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go through two doctors,
in fact.
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Several more if
you count the 50th.
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And Clara being I suppose
a girl who likes
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everything in its box,
quite in control,
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quite sort of perfect
in a way,
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um, has a great time with
the Matt Smith Doctor
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because he rolls over
on his back
267
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and she tickles his tummy
and that's fine.
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She gets all the adoration
she requires
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and she puts him back
in his police box
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when she's bored of him
and goes back to a normal life.
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Then along comes
the Peter Capaldi Doctor,
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and things change, rather,
but you'll have to
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keep watching
to find out how.
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Davison: It's fair to say
that the tenth Doctor
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recruited a diverse range
of companions,
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so who better to ask about
what makes an ultimate companion
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than the man himself,
actor David Tennant?
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Right, okay, so, David,
thank you very much
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for spending some time
and coming along today.
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I wanted to ask you,
why do you think the Doctor
281
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needs a companion?
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When he periods
of traveling alone,
283
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which my Doctor certainly did,
he seems drawn back to the idea
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of a soulmate after not very
much time on his own.
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I think perhaps he doesn't
like his own company.
286
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Do you find that
different companions
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complemented the Doctor
in different ways?
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How did you find playing
with different companions
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affecting the way you --
290
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Well, I suppose one of
the difficult things
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in the character that
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any kind of heroic character
that kind of
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can't change too much
or the series is broken,
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you kind of --
you're always looking
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for new ways to explore
who that character is,
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and one of the best ways
of doing that
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is by giving them
a different opposite number,
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and to change the kind of
dynamics of
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those opposite numbers,
to show different aspects
300
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of that continuing
character's personality.
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But talking about it
affecting the dynamics,
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we have a clip here
of you in the TARDIS,
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and I thought, as I say,
I had three and that was a lot.
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Look at this.
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Tennant: Cue the curtains!
306
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It's like the Saturday morning
pictures all over again.
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Sarah, hold that.
Mickey, you hold that.
308
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'Cause you know why
this TARDIS is always
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rattling about the place?
Rose, that, there.
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It was designed
to have six pilots,
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and I have to do it
single-handed.
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Martha,
keep that level.
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But not anymore. Jack,
there you go, steady that.
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Now we can fly this thing --
n--no, Jackie,
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no, no, not you.
316
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Don't touch anything.
Just...
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Stand back.
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All right, then.
Off we go.
319
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So there you are dealing
with the multidynamics
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of an enormous number
of companions.
321
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I couldn't even --
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almost as many
as you had.
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Almost as many, yeah,
324
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and in that scene,
for example,
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I thought, you know,
you were playing
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multi-comedic facets
of those various companions
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that you'd picked up
along the way,
328
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and it is quite important,
isn't it?
329
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I mean, apart from
imparting information,
330
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it's also a chance
to have a bit of fun.
331
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Yes, I suppose,
otherwise it can be a bit dour,
332
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can't it, and I suppose
there's always going to be --
333
00:14:55,868 --> 00:14:59,503
because the Doctor's always
going to be older,
334
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wiser, alien, and the companion
tends to be younger, human,
335
00:15:03,976 --> 00:15:07,210
there's a disparity there
which lends itself
336
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to comedy, I guess,
as well.
337
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Absolutely. So what do you
think that our companion --
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are there things
that you could actually
339
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lay down and say a companion
needs to have these qualities?
340
00:15:17,055 --> 00:15:19,623
You need to have
a certain courage.
341
00:15:19,625 --> 00:15:25,595
A wanderlust,
um, and I suppose
342
00:15:25,597 --> 00:15:27,564
a sense of themself,
a sense --
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you need someone who
can stand up to him.
344
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So confidence.
345
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Needs a lot of confidence.
346
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Excellent,
it's been really helpful.
347
00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:36,406
Good, I'm delighted
to be of service.
348
00:15:36,408 --> 00:15:37,440
Thank you.
349
00:15:37,442 --> 00:15:40,510
You start off explaining
the character
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to the actor or actress,
351
00:15:42,381 --> 00:15:44,714
and then in the course of
a successful audition,
352
00:15:44,716 --> 00:15:46,817
they start explaining
the character to you.
353
00:15:46,819 --> 00:15:47,984
No?
354
00:15:47,986 --> 00:15:49,085
The Doctor?
355
00:15:50,955 --> 00:15:52,956
Doctor Who?
No, just the Doctor.
356
00:15:55,393 --> 00:15:57,627
Davison: One of the most
obvious things I can see
357
00:15:57,629 --> 00:15:59,262
when it comes to
being a companion
358
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is that they have to
be courageous
359
00:16:00,933 --> 00:16:04,801
in the face of danger,
and for the companions,
360
00:16:04,803 --> 00:16:09,039
when the Doctor's around,
danger is never far away.
361
00:16:09,041 --> 00:16:12,742
So to find out what it takes
to step up and stare danger
362
00:16:12,744 --> 00:16:16,446
right between the eyes,
I'm meeting up with someone who,
363
00:16:16,448 --> 00:16:19,516
well, let's just say
they learnt to be brave.
364
00:16:19,518 --> 00:16:21,818
Ah.
365
00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:23,153
I think he's here.
366
00:16:23,155 --> 00:16:24,354
Hello, sir.
367
00:16:24,356 --> 00:16:26,523
How are you?
I'm good. How are you doing?
368
00:16:26,525 --> 00:16:28,124
Nice to see you.
Yeah, you too.
369
00:16:28,126 --> 00:16:29,226
The truth is, Noel,
370
00:16:29,228 --> 00:16:31,194
I've always wanted
to meet someone
371
00:16:31,196 --> 00:16:33,029
in the middle of
Chelsea bridge.
372
00:16:33,031 --> 00:16:34,130
Well, we're meeting.
373
00:16:34,132 --> 00:16:36,433
No, the thing is,
I've been set this quest
374
00:16:36,435 --> 00:16:38,969
to discover a design for
the ultimate companion,
375
00:16:38,971 --> 00:16:40,704
and we've asked
various people
376
00:16:40,706 --> 00:16:43,240
for suggestions about
what it takes to make
377
00:16:43,242 --> 00:16:44,407
an ultimate companion.
378
00:16:44,409 --> 00:16:46,276
What's interesting
about your case
379
00:16:46,278 --> 00:16:48,245
is that you didn't
start off as one,
380
00:16:48,247 --> 00:16:50,747
it seemed to me, anyway,
correct me if I'm wrong.
381
00:16:50,749 --> 00:16:53,583
You seemed to start off as
a slightly weedly,
382
00:16:53,585 --> 00:16:54,985
almost dumped boyfriend.
383
00:16:54,987 --> 00:16:57,020
Yeah, very much so,
very much so.
384
00:16:57,022 --> 00:16:59,089
I think that was
sort of the idea.
385
00:17:09,233 --> 00:17:10,500
Originally the character
386
00:17:10,502 --> 00:17:12,702
was only supposed to be in
for three episodes,
387
00:17:12,704 --> 00:17:14,604
you know, because it was
such a weedly,
388
00:17:14,606 --> 00:17:16,172
you know,
scaredy-cat character.
389
00:17:16,174 --> 00:17:18,441
They knew that the Doctor
wouldn't really like him
390
00:17:18,443 --> 00:17:20,744
and they knew the fans
wouldn't really take to him,
391
00:17:20,746 --> 00:17:23,413
and so he was supposed to be
that sort of take-for-granted --
392
00:17:23,415 --> 00:17:25,682
take his girlfriend for granted
type of boyfriend.
393
00:17:25,684 --> 00:17:27,884
A fat lot good you were.
394
00:17:27,886 --> 00:17:29,819
[ Whimpering ]
395
00:17:29,821 --> 00:17:32,989
Nesting Consciousness?
396
00:17:32,991 --> 00:17:34,624
Easy. Right, then.
397
00:17:34,626 --> 00:17:36,726
I'll be off.
398
00:17:36,728 --> 00:17:38,828
Unless, I don't know.
399
00:17:38,830 --> 00:17:40,830
You could come with me.
400
00:17:40,832 --> 00:17:41,865
Mickey: Don't.
401
00:17:41,867 --> 00:17:44,234
He's an alien,
he's a thing!
402
00:17:44,236 --> 00:17:45,902
He's not invited.
403
00:17:45,904 --> 00:17:48,838
You did then become
gradually more heroic
404
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,407
as the series went on.
405
00:17:50,409 --> 00:17:52,475
Like real life,
obviously.
406
00:17:52,477 --> 00:17:54,477
There's an argument,
of course,
407
00:17:54,479 --> 00:17:57,247
that the companion,
since the series came back,
408
00:17:57,249 --> 00:17:59,482
that the companions
are as important
409
00:17:59,484 --> 00:18:02,319
if not sometimes more
important than the Doctor.
410
00:18:02,321 --> 00:18:03,687
I think they ground it.
411
00:18:03,689 --> 00:18:05,588
I think they
ground the show.
412
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:07,390
They bring
the real life element.
413
00:18:07,392 --> 00:18:09,392
You know, Rose with
Mickey and Jackie
414
00:18:09,394 --> 00:18:12,562
and then, you know, Martha
and her family and Donna and,
415
00:18:12,564 --> 00:18:14,097
the companions bring that,
416
00:18:14,099 --> 00:18:16,199
and I think it
makes it relatable
417
00:18:16,201 --> 00:18:17,934
to the guy at home who's like,
418
00:18:17,936 --> 00:18:20,136
"well, I can't quite
be the Doctor,
419
00:18:20,138 --> 00:18:22,572
but I could be the companion,"
you know?
420
00:18:22,574 --> 00:18:24,641
So it's a combination,
what you need,
421
00:18:24,643 --> 00:18:27,310
and I guess you have it,
is a combination
422
00:18:27,312 --> 00:18:29,446
of uniqueness
and yet everyman.
423
00:18:29,448 --> 00:18:31,548
The everyman, yeah.
Which is a fantastic quality to have.
424
00:18:31,550 --> 00:18:33,616
Well, thanks very much.
425
00:18:33,618 --> 00:18:35,218
Thank you so much
for having me.
426
00:18:37,421 --> 00:18:39,923
Davison: I'm beginning
to get a good idea
427
00:18:39,925 --> 00:18:42,525
of the elements that
help make a companion.
428
00:18:42,527 --> 00:18:45,028
So far, I've realized
that the companions
429
00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:47,764
have to be keen on adventure,
430
00:18:47,766 --> 00:18:50,300
they have to be adaptable,
heroic, even.
431
00:18:50,302 --> 00:18:53,269
But what about the actors
who play the companion?
432
00:18:53,271 --> 00:18:56,039
They have to take this part
and make it their own,
433
00:18:56,041 --> 00:18:58,942
face all the challenges
thrown at them by the Doctor,
434
00:18:58,944 --> 00:19:01,044
and yet make their
companion unique.
435
00:19:01,046 --> 00:19:03,179
Just as actor
Jenna Coleman has.
436
00:19:03,181 --> 00:19:06,583
Hello.
437
00:19:06,585 --> 00:19:07,684
Clara Oswald.
438
00:19:07,686 --> 00:19:09,853
Yeah?
Clara Oswin Oswald?
439
00:19:09,855 --> 00:19:11,788
Just Clara Oswald.
What was that middle one?
440
00:19:11,790 --> 00:19:13,857
Do you remember me?
441
00:19:13,859 --> 00:19:15,658
No.
442
00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:17,127
Should I?
Who are you?
443
00:19:17,129 --> 00:19:18,361
The Doctor.
444
00:19:18,363 --> 00:19:19,529
No?
445
00:19:19,531 --> 00:19:20,697
The Doctor?
446
00:19:20,699 --> 00:19:22,499
Clara: Doctor Who?
447
00:19:22,501 --> 00:19:24,567
No, just the Doctor.
448
00:19:25,536 --> 00:19:27,871
Actually, sorry, could you
just ask me that again?
449
00:19:27,873 --> 00:19:30,106
Could I what?
Just ask me that question again?
450
00:19:30,108 --> 00:19:31,741
Doctor Who.
451
00:19:31,743 --> 00:19:32,809
Okay, just once more.
452
00:19:32,811 --> 00:19:33,843
Doctor Who?
453
00:19:33,845 --> 00:19:34,845
Oh, yeah.
454
00:19:34,846 --> 00:19:36,980
Ooh.
455
00:19:36,982 --> 00:19:37,982
Do you know,
456
00:19:37,983 --> 00:19:40,150
I never realized
how much I enjoy
457
00:19:40,152 --> 00:19:42,585
hearing that said out loud.
Thank you.
458
00:19:42,587 --> 00:19:45,055
Okay.
Hey, no! Clara!
459
00:19:47,825 --> 00:19:52,162
The main thing about auditions
is that when they work,
460
00:19:52,164 --> 00:19:55,398
you start off
explaining the character
461
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,368
to the actor or actress,
and then,
462
00:19:58,370 --> 00:20:00,503
in the course of
a successful audition,
463
00:20:00,505 --> 00:20:02,772
they start explaining
the character to you
464
00:20:02,774 --> 00:20:05,475
and the way they act,
and it just happens sometimes,
465
00:20:05,477 --> 00:20:06,509
it just catches fire.
466
00:20:06,511 --> 00:20:08,311
It's the easiest thing
in the world
467
00:20:08,313 --> 00:20:10,513
to spot a successful audition,
to spot a star.
468
00:20:10,515 --> 00:20:11,781
It really is.
469
00:20:11,783 --> 00:20:14,184
The stardom is not
difficult to see.
470
00:20:14,186 --> 00:20:16,386
With Jenna as Clara,
471
00:20:16,388 --> 00:20:18,688
I remember very vividly,
there was just a moment
472
00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:21,224
when she and Matt were reacting
to something together,
473
00:20:21,226 --> 00:20:22,892
and I thought,
"oh, my goodness,
474
00:20:22,894 --> 00:20:24,160
she absolutely gets it.
475
00:20:24,162 --> 00:20:26,529
She gets what kind of
storytelling this is."
476
00:20:26,531 --> 00:20:28,731
And she's got a wonderful face
and wonderful eyes,
477
00:20:28,733 --> 00:20:29,733
she was so funny,
478
00:20:29,734 --> 00:20:30,834
she was fast.
479
00:20:30,836 --> 00:20:32,402
She was just perfect.
480
00:20:32,404 --> 00:20:35,171
But, you know,
there was no expertise
481
00:20:35,173 --> 00:20:37,407
on my part
involved in that.
482
00:20:37,409 --> 00:20:39,509
Maybe some expertise
on the part of Andy Pryor,
483
00:20:39,511 --> 00:20:41,377
the casting director,
but not on my part.
484
00:20:41,379 --> 00:20:43,746
Anyone could have spotted
that that was the right girl,
485
00:20:43,748 --> 00:20:45,915
'cause she was brilliant,
and brilliance is very,
486
00:20:45,917 --> 00:20:47,550
very easy to detect.
487
00:20:47,552 --> 00:20:49,919
Since the return
of the show in 2004,
488
00:20:49,921 --> 00:20:52,722
each companion has had
their own theme music.
489
00:20:52,724 --> 00:20:56,359
I want to find out why.
490
00:20:56,361 --> 00:20:57,361
Hello?
491
00:20:57,362 --> 00:20:59,028
Hello!
492
00:21:02,639 --> 00:21:03,911
Davison: I'm meeting
Doctor Who's
493
00:21:03,912 --> 00:21:06,190
casting director,
Andy Pryor.
494
00:21:07,593 --> 00:21:08,787
So with regards to
495
00:21:08,788 --> 00:21:10,888
the companion,
presumably they give you
496
00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:13,357
a certain amount of
parameters to make your job
497
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,259
a little bit easier,
so you can go
498
00:21:15,261 --> 00:21:17,861
and look for the characteristics
that they require.
499
00:21:17,863 --> 00:21:20,030
Well, as with all casting,
really,
500
00:21:20,032 --> 00:21:21,699
it is driven by the writing.
501
00:21:21,701 --> 00:21:23,934
You know, the key
and crucial thing
502
00:21:23,936 --> 00:21:26,036
is the writing
and the interpreting that
503
00:21:26,038 --> 00:21:27,971
in the casting
the best way you can.
504
00:21:27,973 --> 00:21:29,707
Quite often
with the companion,
505
00:21:29,709 --> 00:21:32,309
the showrunner will have
had an idea about
506
00:21:32,311 --> 00:21:34,912
what kind of character
he wants them to be.
507
00:21:34,914 --> 00:21:37,481
But really, until you get
the scenes on the page,
508
00:21:37,483 --> 00:21:39,750
the dialogue on the page,
and you can hear
509
00:21:39,752 --> 00:21:42,886
the characters speaking,
then it's quite difficult
510
00:21:42,888 --> 00:21:44,722
to make a full
judgement on it.
511
00:21:44,724 --> 00:21:47,991
Now, presumably there
was some kind of balance
512
00:21:47,993 --> 00:21:51,128
that you looked for
when the Doctor was Matt
513
00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:54,264
and the companion was Jenna
and now you have
514
00:21:54,266 --> 00:21:55,699
a different Doctor.
515
00:21:55,701 --> 00:21:59,236
I suppose what I'm saying is
that you need an actor
516
00:21:59,238 --> 00:22:02,573
who can sort of play the part
across the board,
517
00:22:02,575 --> 00:22:04,141
you know,
very adaptable.
518
00:22:04,143 --> 00:22:06,610
Yes, I mean, one of
the difficulties is that,
519
00:22:06,612 --> 00:22:08,712
you know, you can't
predict chemistry
520
00:22:08,714 --> 00:22:10,681
until you put
two actors together,
521
00:22:10,683 --> 00:22:13,283
and then when you change Doctor,
you don't quite know
522
00:22:13,285 --> 00:22:15,519
what's going to happen,
I think the companion
523
00:22:15,521 --> 00:22:18,555
has the great benefit of already
having been established
524
00:22:18,557 --> 00:22:23,827
in that case, and Jenna had
established Clara brilliantly
525
00:22:23,829 --> 00:22:26,096
by the time we'd cast Peter,
526
00:22:26,098 --> 00:22:29,333
and I think that's probably
helpful for another actor,
527
00:22:29,335 --> 00:22:31,368
in this case Peter,
coming in,
528
00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:34,538
to have somebody there
who sort of knows the ropes,
529
00:22:34,540 --> 00:22:38,442
so it ends up becoming quite
a sort of mutual support thing
530
00:22:38,444 --> 00:22:39,643
between the two actors.
531
00:22:39,645 --> 00:22:41,345
Davison: So, meeting Andy
has been very useful.
532
00:22:41,347 --> 00:22:44,114
It's clear that
our ultimate companion
533
00:22:44,116 --> 00:22:48,085
has to be a good actor but also
have a strong personality.
534
00:22:48,087 --> 00:22:51,522
You see, the companion
is how we view the TARDIS.
535
00:22:51,524 --> 00:22:55,459
It's who we share all our
time-traveling experiences with.
536
00:22:55,461 --> 00:22:57,828
We really do
have to like them.
537
00:22:57,830 --> 00:23:01,231
Really has to be
the right person for the job.
538
00:23:08,406 --> 00:23:10,908
Since the return
of the show in 2004,
539
00:23:10,910 --> 00:23:13,844
each companion has had
their own theme music,
540
00:23:13,846 --> 00:23:16,446
from Rose to Martha,
from Donna to Amy,
541
00:23:16,448 --> 00:23:18,148
and now, of course, Clara.
542
00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:21,752
Each has had a piece
of music dedicated to them.
543
00:23:21,754 --> 00:23:24,855
I want to find out why.
544
00:23:26,301 --> 00:23:28,134
So I've come to
a recording studio
545
00:23:28,135 --> 00:23:31,322
in London to speak to the man
who penned all of those themes,
546
00:23:31,323 --> 00:23:34,223
Doctor Who's composer,
Murray Gold.
547
00:23:35,209 --> 00:23:38,544
So, Murray, thanks very much
for helping us out with this.
548
00:23:38,546 --> 00:23:40,513
Tell us about
Clara's theme.
549
00:23:40,515 --> 00:23:42,815
Well, that's a good
case in point,
550
00:23:42,817 --> 00:23:46,419
because Clara came in at a time
when the stories had become
551
00:23:46,421 --> 00:23:48,888
very melodramatic,
and you could see
552
00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:53,159
that she was sort of
off-the-cuff and flighty
553
00:23:53,161 --> 00:23:58,097
and smart and didn't have
a lot of baggage, you know.
554
00:23:58,099 --> 00:24:00,499
She had a freshness
about her.
555
00:24:00,501 --> 00:24:03,402
And so I wanted to carry
that through in the music.
556
00:24:08,208 --> 00:24:09,408
Hello?
557
00:24:09,410 --> 00:24:11,010
Hello!
558
00:24:11,012 --> 00:24:15,147
So, Murray, with my design for
the ultimate Doctor's companion,
559
00:24:15,149 --> 00:24:17,883
what would you --
what themes would you
560
00:24:17,885 --> 00:24:21,988
be reflecting in the music
for the ultimate companion?
561
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:23,456
Ultimate companion?
562
00:24:23,458 --> 00:24:26,726
She's just curious
and tells the Doctor the truth
563
00:24:26,728 --> 00:24:30,463
and also hides the truth,
and there's a bunch of opposites
564
00:24:30,465 --> 00:24:32,331
all contained in one person,
565
00:24:32,333 --> 00:24:36,068
and I don't know,
it's a difficult task,
566
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:37,770
that, ultimate --
567
00:24:37,772 --> 00:24:41,574
Okay, I'll let you know.
Okay. Please do.
568
00:24:42,654 --> 00:24:44,756
One of the main responsibilities
about playing
569
00:24:44,757 --> 00:24:47,291
the Doctor's companion
is what it means to the fans.
570
00:24:47,293 --> 00:24:50,094
How will you be received,
how will it change your life?
571
00:24:50,096 --> 00:24:52,329
Well, to find out,
I'm off to Houston, Texas,
572
00:24:52,331 --> 00:24:54,932
and the good old U.S. of "A"
to talk to John Barrowman,
573
00:24:54,934 --> 00:24:56,500
who played
Captain Jack Harkness,
574
00:24:56,502 --> 00:24:57,668
see what he thinks.
575
00:24:57,670 --> 00:25:01,071
Only problem is,
what did I do with the TARDIS?
576
00:25:01,073 --> 00:25:03,540
Ah!
577
00:25:03,542 --> 00:25:05,476
[ TARDIS engine ]
578
00:25:05,478 --> 00:25:10,514
Ah. Seems like I still have
the hang of flying this thing.
579
00:25:10,516 --> 00:25:12,549
Yes, this definitely
looks like Texas.
580
00:25:12,551 --> 00:25:14,618
Now all I have to do
is track down John
581
00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:18,055
among all these fans.
582
00:25:18,057 --> 00:25:19,857
There's quite a lot of them.
583
00:25:21,526 --> 00:25:24,361
John?
It's been 20 minutes.
584
00:25:24,363 --> 00:25:26,664
It's probably
going to be an hour,
585
00:25:26,666 --> 00:25:27,965
so just hang tight.
586
00:25:27,967 --> 00:25:30,267
To hell with this.
587
00:25:30,269 --> 00:25:31,335
I'm telling you,
588
00:25:31,337 --> 00:25:32,736
they learn to fly a TARDIS,
589
00:25:32,738 --> 00:25:34,638
they think they can
rule the world!
590
00:25:35,262 --> 00:25:38,487
Davison: Captain Jack Harkness,
played by actor John Barrowman,
591
00:25:38,488 --> 00:25:40,522
proved to be
one of Doctor Who's
592
00:25:40,524 --> 00:25:42,857
most popular characters,
and for John,
593
00:25:42,859 --> 00:25:45,660
playing the part of
the Doctor's companion
594
00:25:45,662 --> 00:25:47,495
literally changed his life.
595
00:25:47,497 --> 00:25:48,830
I think he
came with us.
596
00:25:48,832 --> 00:25:50,231
How do you mean,
from earth?
597
00:25:50,233 --> 00:25:52,967
Must have been clinging to
the outside of the TARDIS.
598
00:25:52,969 --> 00:25:54,536
All the way
through the vortex?
599
00:25:54,538 --> 00:25:55,704
Wow, that's very him.
600
00:25:55,706 --> 00:25:56,805
What, do you know him?
601
00:25:56,807 --> 00:25:58,640
Friend of mine.
602
00:25:58,642 --> 00:26:00,642
Used to travel with me
back in the old days.
603
00:26:00,644 --> 00:26:03,044
But he's...
604
00:26:03,046 --> 00:26:04,546
I'm sorry,
there's no heartbeat.
605
00:26:04,548 --> 00:26:05,914
There's nothing.
606
00:26:05,916 --> 00:26:07,148
He's dead.
607
00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:09,217
[ Gasp ]
Aaah!
608
00:26:09,219 --> 00:26:10,885
Oh, so much for me!
609
00:26:10,887 --> 00:26:12,954
It's all right, breathe deep,
I've got you.
610
00:26:12,956 --> 00:26:15,724
Captain Jack Harkness.
611
00:26:15,726 --> 00:26:17,392
And who are you?
612
00:26:17,394 --> 00:26:18,394
Martha Jones.
613
00:26:18,395 --> 00:26:20,095
Nice to meet you,
Martha Jones.
614
00:26:20,097 --> 00:26:22,030
Oh, don't start!
615
00:26:22,032 --> 00:26:23,264
I was only
saying hello.
616
00:26:23,266 --> 00:26:24,266
I don't mind.
617
00:26:26,669 --> 00:26:27,902
Got it?
Yeah.
618
00:26:27,904 --> 00:26:30,672
Thank you, awesome.
Thank you very much.
619
00:26:30,674 --> 00:26:33,708
Davison: John is appearing
at a science fiction convention
620
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:36,044
where fans are
gathering to meet
621
00:26:36,046 --> 00:26:37,879
their favorite superheroes
and companions.
622
00:26:37,881 --> 00:26:39,414
Now I've found him,
623
00:26:39,416 --> 00:26:42,083
I just need to
get his attention.
624
00:26:42,085 --> 00:26:44,753
John! Any chance
you could make this --
625
00:26:44,755 --> 00:26:46,988
just hold on a minute,
okay?
626
00:26:46,990 --> 00:26:48,757
Just about five minutes.
627
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:50,191
Five minutes? Okay.
628
00:26:50,193 --> 00:26:52,393
[ Sigh ]
629
00:26:52,395 --> 00:26:55,497
There you go,
is that okay?
630
00:26:55,499 --> 00:26:58,233
John, it's been 20 minutes.
631
00:26:58,235 --> 00:27:01,069
It's probably
going to be an hour,
632
00:27:01,071 --> 00:27:02,670
so just hang tight.
633
00:27:02,672 --> 00:27:06,207
To hell with this.
634
00:27:06,209 --> 00:27:07,909
I'm telling you,
635
00:27:07,911 --> 00:27:09,344
they learn to
fly a TARDIS,
636
00:27:09,346 --> 00:27:11,312
they think they can
rule the world!
637
00:27:11,314 --> 00:27:13,481
[ Laughing ]
638
00:27:13,483 --> 00:27:15,917
So, John, obviously
there's an enormous number
639
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:18,553
of fans here today,
and an enormous number of them
640
00:27:18,555 --> 00:27:19,754
are waiting to see you
641
00:27:19,756 --> 00:27:21,156
as Captain Jack.
642
00:27:21,158 --> 00:27:25,727
Now, if we were searching,
say, for the ultimate companion,
643
00:27:25,729 --> 00:27:28,797
how important is it to find
someone who is prepared
644
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,333
to be a companion for
the rest of their lives?
645
00:27:32,335 --> 00:27:35,837
It's really important,
because the identity that
646
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:38,273
the fans have
through the companion
647
00:27:38,275 --> 00:27:39,874
is their connection
to the Doctor,
648
00:27:39,876 --> 00:27:41,976
and the fans, I think,
then relate to something
649
00:27:41,978 --> 00:27:46,014
that is within
the companion themselves,
650
00:27:46,016 --> 00:27:50,185
so if the companion,
whether it is someone
651
00:27:50,187 --> 00:27:52,053
like Sarah Jane
or it's a Captain Jack
652
00:27:52,055 --> 00:27:54,756
or a Rose Tyler
or a Martha Jones,
653
00:27:54,758 --> 00:27:57,258
all of those --
654
00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:59,561
all of those characters
then connect with
655
00:27:59,563 --> 00:28:02,263
somebody in the audience,
but you have to realize
656
00:28:02,265 --> 00:28:04,566
once you are in this --
I call it
657
00:28:04,568 --> 00:28:05,667
the Who family,
658
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:07,268
you're there for
the rest of your life.
659
00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:08,469
It is the longest job.
660
00:28:08,471 --> 00:28:10,638
It is the longest job
in show business.
661
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,608
You never leave.
But it's the most gratifying,
662
00:28:13,871 --> 00:28:17,340
because once you're in there
and the kind of adulation
663
00:28:17,342 --> 00:28:20,409
that you get from the fans,
because, you know,
664
00:28:20,411 --> 00:28:22,612
I see young --
I have a little,
665
00:28:22,614 --> 00:28:25,915
like, seven year old boy
dressed up as Captain Jack
666
00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,851
and his best friend
dressed up as, you know,
667
00:28:28,853 --> 00:28:32,555
David as the Doctor,
and for me, that's like,
668
00:28:32,557 --> 00:28:34,156
they're just seeing it
for the first time,
669
00:28:34,158 --> 00:28:35,725
so it's generations,
generations that are
670
00:28:35,727 --> 00:28:37,960
going to continue to watch it,
so if you are a companion,
671
00:28:37,962 --> 00:28:39,528
you must take this onboard
that you're
672
00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:41,330
going to be there
for the rest of your life.
673
00:28:41,332 --> 00:28:44,734
The way it was played
and the way it was written
674
00:28:44,736 --> 00:28:48,270
in the script,
I guess the way you played it,
675
00:28:48,272 --> 00:28:51,907
was completely open,
you know, heart on sleeve,
676
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:54,243
and that's really
the one essential quality
677
00:28:54,245 --> 00:28:56,712
I think a companion has to have
if the audience
678
00:28:56,714 --> 00:28:57,880
is to relate to them.
679
00:28:57,882 --> 00:28:59,849
Well, yeah,
because they have to --
680
00:28:59,851 --> 00:29:02,685
like I said, they're
the connection to the Doctor,
681
00:29:02,687 --> 00:29:04,453
but for a companion,
682
00:29:04,455 --> 00:29:06,255
if you're going to be
a good one,
683
00:29:06,257 --> 00:29:09,125
you've got to allow the Doctor
to shine and be the Doctor,
684
00:29:09,127 --> 00:29:10,993
but you've also
got to make your mark.
685
00:29:10,995 --> 00:29:13,029
So if you had to distill
just one of
686
00:29:13,031 --> 00:29:14,730
the qualities of
a companion
687
00:29:14,732 --> 00:29:17,433
that you enjoy playing the most,
what would it be?
688
00:29:17,435 --> 00:29:20,102
This is going to --
it might be a weird answer.
689
00:29:20,104 --> 00:29:22,571
Yes, it was being the hero.
It was being...
690
00:29:22,573 --> 00:29:26,509
The -- you know,
the flirtatious, fun one,
691
00:29:26,511 --> 00:29:28,511
but it was also being
692
00:29:28,513 --> 00:29:31,080
the companion.
693
00:29:31,082 --> 00:29:34,950
And that may be not
a description of what you --
694
00:29:34,952 --> 00:29:38,320
how you can play it,
but part of the joy
695
00:29:38,322 --> 00:29:40,489
was being part of his team,
696
00:29:40,491 --> 00:29:42,658
and that to me --
697
00:29:42,660 --> 00:29:44,860
so if that answers
the question,
698
00:29:44,862 --> 00:29:46,162
that's what it was.
699
00:29:46,164 --> 00:29:49,331
Excellent. Finally,
I don't suppose it's possible,
700
00:29:49,333 --> 00:29:51,467
is it,
to get you to sign this?
701
00:29:51,469 --> 00:29:53,836
Well, I did make you
wait for an hour.
702
00:29:53,838 --> 00:29:57,373
I did, and --
I don't have a pen on me.
703
00:29:57,375 --> 00:30:00,376
Anybody have a pen?
704
00:30:00,378 --> 00:30:02,278
I've got a fan here.
705
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,648
Don't worry, I'll...
I'll come back tomorrow.
706
00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:07,850
All right.
Thanks, Peter.
707
00:30:07,852 --> 00:30:09,118
God love you.
708
00:30:12,522 --> 00:30:15,791
It's always interesting when
the doctors like Captain Jack.
709
00:30:15,793 --> 00:30:19,428
Davison: So, it's back into
the TARDIS and back to the U.K.,
710
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:22,198
where I've got one
last stop on my journey.
711
00:30:23,045 --> 00:30:24,045
Let's see if I can
712
00:30:24,046 --> 00:30:25,542
find the man behind
the current series
713
00:30:25,543 --> 00:30:27,309
of Doctor Who,
Steven Moffat,
714
00:30:27,311 --> 00:30:30,079
to see what he thinks
makes the ultimate companion.
715
00:30:32,163 --> 00:30:33,448
Now, when you were young
716
00:30:33,449 --> 00:30:35,282
and you used to
watch the program,
717
00:30:35,284 --> 00:30:37,161
did you want to be the Doctor
718
00:30:37,162 --> 00:30:38,995
or did you
want to be a companion?
719
00:30:38,997 --> 00:30:41,865
I can only ever remember myself
wanting to be a companion.
720
00:30:41,867 --> 00:30:43,867
Oh, you always
want to be a companion,
721
00:30:43,869 --> 00:30:45,635
because the Doctor
is unknowable,
722
00:30:45,637 --> 00:30:47,670
and you want that TARDIS
to materialize
723
00:30:47,672 --> 00:30:50,106
at the end of your road
and you to be invited in
724
00:30:50,108 --> 00:30:52,575
and go on an adventure
and let the Doctor take on
725
00:30:52,577 --> 00:30:55,178
the heavy work and explain stuff
while you get to be
726
00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:56,880
sort of excited
and interested.
727
00:30:56,882 --> 00:30:59,115
It never happened.
728
00:30:59,117 --> 00:31:01,217
But I think the show is
the closest I've got.
729
00:31:01,219 --> 00:31:02,824
But would you have accepted
that invitation?
730
00:31:02,825 --> 00:31:04,725
This is why --
I don't think I'd ever be
731
00:31:04,727 --> 00:31:05,892
brave enough to accept it.
732
00:31:05,894 --> 00:31:08,161
We asked people,
and this is what we came up with
733
00:31:08,163 --> 00:31:10,497
in terms of a list of
the qualities, the attributes,
734
00:31:10,499 --> 00:31:12,399
that maybe the ultimate
companion needs.
735
00:31:12,401 --> 00:31:14,668
A sense of adventure,
obviously, I guess,
736
00:31:14,670 --> 00:31:16,703
adaptable,
suddenly you're on Earth,
737
00:31:16,705 --> 00:31:19,039
next minute you're in
some other universe.
738
00:31:19,041 --> 00:31:20,674
Got to appeal to the fans.
739
00:31:20,676 --> 00:31:22,509
Right, yes, yes.
740
00:31:22,511 --> 00:31:24,945
And be unique.
741
00:31:24,947 --> 00:31:27,714
Unique but identical
in all the other respects.
742
00:31:27,716 --> 00:31:30,050
You see, the thing
that I thought was,
743
00:31:30,052 --> 00:31:33,019
the companion, the same time
as maybe being unique,
744
00:31:33,021 --> 00:31:35,088
they are everyman
and everywoman.
745
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:37,557
I mean, they ask
the Doctor the questions
746
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:40,327
that we sitting at home
watching the program --
747
00:31:40,329 --> 00:31:41,962
would want to ask,
yeah.
748
00:31:41,964 --> 00:31:44,598
They are. I mean,
I think sometimes it's reductive
749
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,801
to say that they're just there
to give the viewers' viewpoint.
750
00:31:47,803 --> 00:31:50,403
They're also in a way
kind of the main character.
751
00:31:50,405 --> 00:31:53,511
They -- sorry.
It's their journey
752
00:31:53,512 --> 00:31:57,747
that you're following,
you know, how they're changed
753
00:31:57,748 --> 00:31:58,917
by the experience
of the Doctor.
754
00:31:58,918 --> 00:32:02,420
The Doctor, you know,
for all the changes he's faced,
755
00:32:02,422 --> 00:32:04,065
he's sort of the same
as he ever was,
756
00:32:04,066 --> 00:32:05,666
but the companion
goes on a different journey
757
00:32:05,668 --> 00:32:07,501
from being just
an ordinary person
758
00:32:07,503 --> 00:32:10,337
sometimes to being a superhero,
so it's often their story.
759
00:32:10,339 --> 00:32:13,707
So now we have, of course,
a new Doctor coming up,
760
00:32:13,709 --> 00:32:15,609
and a companion who has been
761
00:32:15,611 --> 00:32:18,412
passed from Matt Smith
to Peter Capaldi.
762
00:32:18,414 --> 00:32:21,348
How is this going to
affect her character?
763
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:23,317
I think it's rather exciting,
actually.
764
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:24,752
He's very,
very different.
765
00:32:24,754 --> 00:32:27,321
We just got to the point
with Matt's Doctor and Jenna
766
00:32:27,323 --> 00:32:29,890
that they feel really
comfortable, it's a proper unit,
767
00:32:29,892 --> 00:32:32,526
and you sort of feel she's
completely in control of it,
768
00:32:32,528 --> 00:32:33,861
which is what Clara likes.
769
00:32:33,863 --> 00:32:36,530
She likes to be completely
in control of her puppy Doctor
770
00:32:36,532 --> 00:32:38,299
and she can go off
every Wednesday,
771
00:32:38,301 --> 00:32:41,001
have an adventure with him,
put him back in the blue box,
772
00:32:41,003 --> 00:32:42,336
go back to work.
773
00:32:42,338 --> 00:32:44,539
She likes that, it's cool,
and she tells him what to do.
774
00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:47,308
Along comes the Capaldi Doctor,
and suddenly he's sort of
775
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:49,610
rebooted to a very
difficult to control,
776
00:32:49,612 --> 00:32:51,078
slightly unreasonable man,
777
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,381
and she starts to have to be
the human interface
778
00:32:54,383 --> 00:32:56,517
between the old Scottish monster
779
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:58,786
and the humanity
he's trying to save.
780
00:32:58,788 --> 00:33:00,421
So a nice challenge for her.
781
00:33:00,423 --> 00:33:02,089
It's been brilliant, yeah.
She's so funny in this.
782
00:33:02,091 --> 00:33:03,824
I'm looking forward to it.
783
00:33:03,826 --> 00:33:05,359
Would you like to
meet her?
784
00:33:05,361 --> 00:33:07,061
I wouldn't mind.
785
00:33:07,063 --> 00:33:10,130
I'll have a word.
786
00:33:10,132 --> 00:33:12,900
Your relationship
with Clara has changed
787
00:33:12,902 --> 00:33:15,803
from Matt Smith's
relationship with Clara.
788
00:33:15,805 --> 00:33:17,671
Is it essentially different?
789
00:33:17,673 --> 00:33:20,641
It's clearly, you know,
although the Doctor
790
00:33:20,643 --> 00:33:23,410
is the same age,
he appears much older,
791
00:33:23,412 --> 00:33:26,847
so it just changed the dynamic
in a very interesting way.
792
00:33:28,972 --> 00:33:31,074
Davison: So,
with Steven's encouragement,
793
00:33:31,075 --> 00:33:33,409
I'm about to find out
from Jenna Coleman
794
00:33:33,411 --> 00:33:35,945
what's in store for Clara
in the next series
795
00:33:35,947 --> 00:33:37,947
as a new Doctor
enters our lives.
796
00:33:37,949 --> 00:33:41,784
I've been sent on this mission
to try and discover
797
00:33:41,786 --> 00:33:43,352
what it takes to be
798
00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:47,456
an ultimate companion,
and so before we go on to
799
00:33:47,458 --> 00:33:49,925
actually how you've made Clara
a very special companion,
800
00:33:49,927 --> 00:33:51,460
what do you think
the essential
801
00:33:51,462 --> 00:33:53,896
qualities are for
a Doctor Who companion?
802
00:33:53,898 --> 00:33:57,333
I think ultimately,
and kind of going back
803
00:33:57,335 --> 00:34:00,402
to all the companions
that I've seen,
804
00:34:00,404 --> 00:34:04,039
is I think one word that
I'd use is "spirit,"
805
00:34:04,041 --> 00:34:06,809
and, yeah,
an adventurous streak,
806
00:34:06,811 --> 00:34:08,911
always to have that kind of
807
00:34:08,913 --> 00:34:11,780
bold, human spirit throughout
all of the adventures,
808
00:34:11,782 --> 00:34:14,016
and I think that's
the thing in common.
809
00:34:14,018 --> 00:34:15,818
And would you say
that's what
810
00:34:15,820 --> 00:34:17,152
you've latched onto most?
811
00:34:17,154 --> 00:34:19,822
'Cause you seem to have
a tremendous amount of fun.
812
00:34:19,824 --> 00:34:22,324
Obviously I'm talking now
about the last season,
813
00:34:22,326 --> 00:34:24,827
but you seem to have
a tremendous amount of fun
814
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:27,029
in your sort of repartee
with the Doctor.
815
00:34:27,031 --> 00:34:28,664
Yeah, it is, isn't it?
816
00:34:28,666 --> 00:34:32,701
I mean, even me as Jenna
just coming in to work every day
817
00:34:32,703 --> 00:34:35,504
and getting to go
to all those places
818
00:34:35,506 --> 00:34:39,275
and travel it in that way
and kind of just adventure,
819
00:34:39,277 --> 00:34:42,444
just to have adventure
and just live a life
820
00:34:42,446 --> 00:34:45,814
traveling with Doctor Who
as your best friend.
821
00:34:45,816 --> 00:34:48,817
Did you really know what
you were getting yourself into
822
00:34:48,819 --> 00:34:50,352
when you became a companion?
823
00:34:50,354 --> 00:34:52,354
Had you watched
the series before?
824
00:34:52,356 --> 00:34:53,756
No, I hadn't.
Really?
825
00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:55,958
It was off-- I was --
I think I was 18,
826
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,893
19 when the series
came back on,
827
00:34:57,895 --> 00:35:00,129
so it was never in
my childhood at all,
828
00:35:00,131 --> 00:35:03,465
but it's always something
that's kind of in your psyche,
829
00:35:03,467 --> 00:35:05,968
you're always aware of it,
you see it --
830
00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:08,837
it's all over, it's --
I think it's such a part
831
00:35:08,839 --> 00:35:10,072
of British culture.
832
00:35:10,074 --> 00:35:12,098
Was there a sort of
BBC handbook
833
00:35:12,099 --> 00:35:13,898
for companions they gave you
that you could go,
834
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:15,333
"I see, that's how
I'm meant to be"?
835
00:35:15,335 --> 00:35:17,569
No. I do remember
actually going for --
836
00:35:17,571 --> 00:35:19,504
I remember going into
the BBC for
837
00:35:19,506 --> 00:35:22,140
my first audition with Matt,
and I just remember
838
00:35:22,142 --> 00:35:24,743
being sat in a canteen
and I was eating a salad
839
00:35:24,745 --> 00:35:27,345
and I just looked up
and there's literally like
840
00:35:27,347 --> 00:35:29,014
a cardboard cutout of Matt
841
00:35:29,016 --> 00:35:31,549
just like stood
like right next to me,
842
00:35:31,551 --> 00:35:34,185
so, you know,
you've kind of got an awareness
843
00:35:34,187 --> 00:35:38,410
of, okay, this show
is quite unique.
844
00:35:38,411 --> 00:35:39,877
Yes, no, absolutely.
845
00:35:39,879 --> 00:35:42,513
And one of the things
that's come up
846
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:45,350
when we've been talking
to people about
847
00:35:45,352 --> 00:35:48,152
the ultimate companion
is adaptability.
848
00:35:48,154 --> 00:35:51,222
Now, they gave you
possibly the hardest job
849
00:35:51,224 --> 00:35:54,225
that they've given
any companion, I think,
850
00:35:54,227 --> 00:35:56,677
because there you were,
going along very, very nicely,
851
00:35:56,678 --> 00:35:59,746
with the eleventh Doctor,
and then they swapped
852
00:35:59,748 --> 00:36:00,996
doctors on you,
and not only that,
853
00:36:00,997 --> 00:36:04,016
they swapped from
the youngest Doctor
854
00:36:04,017 --> 00:36:09,153
there has ever been to I believe
shall we say most mature Doctor.
855
00:36:09,155 --> 00:36:14,716
How has that affected
the way that you play Clara?
856
00:36:14,717 --> 00:36:16,984
I think what has kind of
happened is
857
00:36:16,986 --> 00:36:19,921
everything feels like
it's kind of been inverted,
858
00:36:19,923 --> 00:36:24,374
and I think with what's --
with going from Matt's Doctor,
859
00:36:24,375 --> 00:36:29,320
to this young,
vibrant guy who has kind of
860
00:36:29,321 --> 00:36:32,240
got this old spirit,
it feels kind of inverted now,
861
00:36:32,241 --> 00:36:34,355
so we have Peter's Doctor,
but he's got this
862
00:36:34,356 --> 00:36:37,623
kind of young, boyish spirit,
and in a way,
863
00:36:37,625 --> 00:36:41,527
the relationship has totally --
it's just been totally inverted,
864
00:36:41,529 --> 00:36:43,830
the dynamics have
shifted so much.
865
00:36:43,832 --> 00:36:45,832
That must be interesting
as an actress
866
00:36:45,834 --> 00:36:47,500
to play that as well,
isn't it?
867
00:36:47,502 --> 00:36:49,669
Yeah, and to go along
with that kind of --
868
00:36:49,671 --> 00:36:52,171
of what it does to her,
and I think in a way,
869
00:36:52,173 --> 00:36:54,707
it kind of -- it ruffles her --
the new Doctor
870
00:36:54,709 --> 00:36:57,844
ruffles her feathers in a way
that the other Doctor didn't,
871
00:36:57,846 --> 00:37:00,947
and I think she finds him
a lot harder to control, almost,
872
00:37:00,949 --> 00:37:03,950
and to kind of keep on a leash
because he's just this --
873
00:37:03,952 --> 00:37:06,819
You're the senior partner now,
of course, aren't you,
874
00:37:06,821 --> 00:37:09,255
so maybe you have to
sort of show him how --
875
00:37:09,257 --> 00:37:11,591
help him find his feet
in the TARDIS.
876
00:37:11,593 --> 00:37:14,594
I suppose so, but it's never
really felt like that at all.
877
00:37:14,596 --> 00:37:15,628
I mean,
878
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:17,463
what advice can you give
to Peter Capaldi?
879
00:37:17,465 --> 00:37:19,065
He's just, you know,
he's a genius.
880
00:37:19,067 --> 00:37:20,900
I'm particularly
excited about it,
881
00:37:20,902 --> 00:37:23,369
because I grew up, you see,
with William Hartnell
882
00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:25,938
and Patrick Troughton,
so older doctors,
883
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:28,241
and while I've immensely enjoyed
the younger doctors,
884
00:37:28,243 --> 00:37:30,243
and indeed I've always said
I started a trend
885
00:37:30,245 --> 00:37:31,978
for younger doctors,
but there you go,
886
00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:33,880
I'm quite --
I'm very excited that now
887
00:37:33,882 --> 00:37:37,116
we're having -- almost sort of
going back to basics.
888
00:37:37,118 --> 00:37:39,318
He is the Doctor,
he -- he has --
889
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,355
even his physicality --
you'll see so many things,
890
00:37:42,357 --> 00:37:45,291
like one weird thing that
I noticed straight away
891
00:37:45,293 --> 00:37:47,760
was his hands, like,
he's just got this
892
00:37:47,762 --> 00:37:50,630
doctorish quality to
the way he walks and runs,
893
00:37:50,632 --> 00:37:51,664
and...
894
00:37:51,666 --> 00:37:54,067
He is the Doctor.
He is, he is, yeah.
895
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:56,636
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
896
00:37:56,638 --> 00:37:59,839
There's just one person left
to ask about companions,
897
00:37:59,841 --> 00:38:02,708
the new twelfth Doctor himself,
Peter Capaldi.
898
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:05,411
Now, I've been set
on this mission to see if
899
00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:08,147
I can come up with
a design for the ultimate
900
00:38:08,149 --> 00:38:11,050
Doctor Who companion,
and I just wondered if --
901
00:38:11,052 --> 00:38:13,886
how you felt that your
relationship with Clara
902
00:38:13,888 --> 00:38:17,090
has changed from Matt Smith's
relationship with Clara,
903
00:38:17,092 --> 00:38:19,358
has -- is it
essentially different?
904
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,228
I think it's changed, yeah,
very significantly,
905
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:25,531
because clearly, you know,
although the Doctor
906
00:38:25,533 --> 00:38:28,401
is the same age,
he appears much older.
907
00:38:28,403 --> 00:38:32,205
So it just changed the dynamic
in a very interesting way.
908
00:38:32,207 --> 00:38:35,675
I think he's
crazy about her,
909
00:38:35,677 --> 00:38:39,946
but in a totally sort of
innocent way.
910
00:38:39,948 --> 00:38:42,348
What's come up in
my conversations with
911
00:38:42,350 --> 00:38:44,784
various people,
they've said, you know,
912
00:38:44,786 --> 00:38:47,720
companions, apart from
being certainly courageous,
913
00:38:47,722 --> 00:38:50,289
being strong-willed,
but they also have to
914
00:38:50,291 --> 00:38:52,492
adapt very well,
and it sounds like
915
00:38:52,494 --> 00:38:55,228
you are pushing the limits
of that, adapting,
916
00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:56,362
for a companion.
917
00:38:56,364 --> 00:38:58,998
Yeah, I think the show's
changed quite a lot,
918
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,634
and I think the stories
are largely told now
919
00:39:01,636 --> 00:39:03,803
through the eyes
of the companion,
920
00:39:03,805 --> 00:39:06,072
which wasn't always
the case before,
921
00:39:06,074 --> 00:39:08,674
but they also serve
the function in doing it.
922
00:39:08,676 --> 00:39:10,510
A key Doctor Who thing
which I've always
923
00:39:10,512 --> 00:39:11,844
loved about
Doctor Who was
924
00:39:11,846 --> 00:39:15,882
the ability to balance
the sort of banal and domestic
925
00:39:15,884 --> 00:39:25,057
with the epic and exotic
and spectacular space monster
926
00:39:25,059 --> 00:39:27,260
kind of orientated
kinds of worlds
927
00:39:27,262 --> 00:39:30,863
with the pedestrian precinct
with the overflowing litter bin,
928
00:39:30,865 --> 00:39:34,500
so with Clara,
she has a very --
929
00:39:34,502 --> 00:39:39,005
we see a lot of her life,
which, you know,
930
00:39:39,007 --> 00:39:42,308
she has -- she's a teacher,
I call her at school.
931
00:39:43,277 --> 00:39:45,711
And it's quite a -- you know,
it's quite a tough job.
932
00:39:45,713 --> 00:39:47,713
It's a good job
and she does it very well,
933
00:39:47,715 --> 00:39:50,583
but we saw her colleagues,
we see her students.
934
00:39:50,585 --> 00:39:51,984
You've been running.
935
00:39:51,986 --> 00:39:53,286
Are you okay?
936
00:39:53,288 --> 00:39:56,756
There was a call for you
at the office.
937
00:39:56,758 --> 00:39:58,524
From your Doctor.
938
00:39:58,526 --> 00:40:01,060
I think it's one of
the great achievements
939
00:40:01,062 --> 00:40:03,162
of the series
since it came back
940
00:40:03,164 --> 00:40:06,999
is the companion is
a much more exciting part
941
00:40:07,001 --> 00:40:09,969
for someone to play,
I think, and you complement
942
00:40:09,971 --> 00:40:12,972
and makes it, you know,
for a great relationship.
943
00:40:12,974 --> 00:40:14,707
I think it's very important.
944
00:40:14,709 --> 00:40:17,777
I think it's -- the Doctor
without a companion is --
945
00:40:17,779 --> 00:40:20,513
you know, you maybe
get away with one episode
946
00:40:20,515 --> 00:40:23,015
or something like that
just as a novelty,
947
00:40:23,017 --> 00:40:26,085
but he needs somebody
to ground him
948
00:40:26,087 --> 00:40:29,222
for the audience
to see the wonders,
949
00:40:29,224 --> 00:40:32,191
you know, through
the companion's eyes.
950
00:40:32,193 --> 00:40:34,994
And there is a little
bit of me that likes
951
00:40:34,996 --> 00:40:37,563
hearing Clara shout,
"Doctor, Doctor!"
952
00:40:37,565 --> 00:40:39,832
As we run down a corridor.
953
00:40:39,834 --> 00:40:42,802
But I love that about it.
954
00:40:42,804 --> 00:40:44,403
Well, thank you very much indeed
for your help.
955
00:40:44,405 --> 00:40:45,972
I'm going to add all
those things to my list.
956
00:40:45,974 --> 00:40:47,740
Thanks again.
It's been a great pleasure.
957
00:40:47,742 --> 00:40:49,875
It's been a great pleasure
to meet you, Doctor.
958
00:40:49,877 --> 00:40:51,777
Thank you, Doctor.
Good to meet you at last.
959
00:40:52,999 --> 00:40:55,033
Well, here I am at
the end of my journey,
960
00:40:55,035 --> 00:40:57,168
and I think it's safe to say
that I now know
961
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:59,471
more about a companion's life
than I did before.
962
00:40:59,473 --> 00:41:01,172
Essentially,
they're adventurous,
963
00:41:01,174 --> 00:41:03,375
heroic individuals
who adapt to their doctors
964
00:41:03,377 --> 00:41:05,076
and manage to
keep them in check.
965
00:41:05,078 --> 00:41:07,946
More importantly,
they're our way into the TARDIS,
966
00:41:07,948 --> 00:41:10,215
our way of traveling
with the Doctor.
967
00:41:10,217 --> 00:41:12,551
Their journeys are
constantly changing,
968
00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:15,220
and as the twelfth Doctor
enters Clara's life,
969
00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:17,489
her journey is about
to change again,
970
00:41:17,491 --> 00:41:19,724
and our journey
with the both of them
971
00:41:19,726 --> 00:41:21,092
is just about to begin.
972
00:41:21,094 --> 00:41:23,194
Is there an ultimate companion?
973
00:41:23,196 --> 00:41:26,498
Well, I don't know,
but one thing is certain --
974
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:29,501
being a companion
is the ultimate position
975
00:41:29,503 --> 00:41:30,222
onboard the TARDIS.
976
00:41:30,223 --> 00:41:36,222
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