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This, in response to the attack on Canada's
Parliament by a lone radicalized Muslim convert.

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Clarissa Ward, on assignment for 60 Minutes,
reports why authorities in North America and

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Europe are keeping an increasingly close watch
on homegrown Islamic extremists.

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One of the most shocking things about the
recent rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria has

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been the thousands of westerners who have
given up everything to travel to a bloody

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battlefield far from home and live under strict
Islamic Sharia law. But to understand the

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mentality of these jihadis, you don't need
to travel to the Middle East. Across the West,

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ISIS has a committed support base that is
actively recruiting young Muslims. We sought

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out a man at the heart of that movement, a
British preacher who sees no border between

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the streets of London and the frontlines of
the Middle East. Talking to him and his followers

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gives you a window into a world you may find
disturbing and difficult to understand.

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There are at least 500 U.K. citizens fighting
in Syria and Iraq and every week, according

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to British police, another five recruits join
the fight.

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British jihadis have been on the front lines
with ISIS from the very beginning. In the

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group's recent videos showing the executions
of western hostages, the masked man holding

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the knife speaks with a London accent.

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The spike in western fighters may be in part
due to this man, Anjem Choudary, a British-born

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lawyer turned Islamic preacher, who lives
in London and has for years been asserting

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his democratic right to call for an end to
democracy.

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Anjem Choudary: I believe Islam is superior.
And will not be surpassed. So I believe that

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the law of God is much superior to man-made
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Clarissa Ward: So, in that sense, you believe
that Islam and democracy are mutually exclusive?

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That they can't exist side-by-side?

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Anjem Choudary: Allah is the only one to legislate.
So, obviously, in that sense it's completely,

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diametrically opposed. You cannot have man
legislating and playing God in Parliament,

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and at the same time believe that Allah is
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Clarissa Ward: You have the freedom to come
here today. You have the freedom to speak

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on television, to worship whichever God you
please. But you're advocating a system that

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essentially would take away all of those freedoms?

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Anjem Choudary: Allah created my tongue to
speak. I don't have freedom to come here,

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because Allah created my feet to walk. So
I walk, and I speak, and I look, and I hear

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according to what God says.

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Choudary has been accused of inspiring hundreds
of Muslims from across the West to join ISIS.

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We went to a meeting he held in an east London
basement. On the wall was a large picture

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of Buckingham Palace turned into a mosque.
He described the newly formed Islamic state

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in Iraq and Syria as a kind of utopia. Talking
about jihad, he sounded at times like a coach

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giving a pep talk before the big game.

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[Anjem Choudary: When the heavens are with
you, when the earth is with you, when the

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sea is with you, when the wind is with you.
Who's going to defeat you after that? Nobody.]

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Choudary has fronted a series of organizations
that have been banned by the British government

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under the country's anti-terror laws, but
he denies that he actively recruits fighters.

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Anjem Choudary: You know, the messenger Mohammad,
he said, "Fight them with your wealth, with

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your body, with your tongue." So, I'm engaged
here, if you like, in a verbal jihad.

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Clarissa Ward: But what you're actually doing
essentially is inspiring young men to go and

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fight in these countries, while you stay here
and enjoy a comfortable life...

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Anjem Choudary: No, I mean...

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Clarissa Ward: ...in the United Kingdom.

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Anjem Choudary: ...this is a kind of, the
rhetoric that the western media come out with.

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But, I mean, there are no examples of anyone,
in fact, who is in any of the battle fronts,

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who actually say, "Well, actually, Mr. Choudary
asked me to come here." Or, "He bought my

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ticket." You know? If it were the case...

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Clarissa Ward: They wouldn't say that you
bought...

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Anjem Choudary: ...if it were the case...

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Clarissa Ward: ...their ticket.

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Anjem Choudary: Well, no if it were the case...

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Clarissa Ward: But they might say that you
inspired them with your message.

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Anjem Choudary: There was a report out recently
which said that I inspired 500 people, in

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fact, to carry out operations here and abroad.
And if that were really the case, don't you

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think that I'd arrested be? And I'll be sitting
in prison.

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Clarissa Ward: So if a young man, one of your
students, comes to you and says, "Should I

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go and fight in Syria or Iraq," what would
you tell them?

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Anjem Choudary: Well, they haven't come to
me. And if they come to me I'll think about

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a suitable response. But I'm engaged...

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Clarissa Ward: What would you tell them?

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Anjem Choudary: I don't deal with hypotheticals.

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Clarissa Ward: It's a hypothetical question.

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Anjem Choudary: I don't deal with hypotheticals.
I deal with reality. You know, I mean, there

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are many things that could happen, hypothetically.
Young men come to me...

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Clarissa Ward: Why won't you answer the question?

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Anjem Choudary: Because it's a...

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Clarissa Ward: It really should be an easy
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Anjem Choudary: I like to deal with reality.
If that happens, you can have another interview

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with me, and I'll deal with it.

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But one week after our interview, Choudary
was arrested "on suspicion of being a member

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of a proscribed or banned organization...
and encouraging terrorism." Also rounded up

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in the raids, was one of his young followers,
Abu Rumaysah.

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[Abu Rumaysah: We want Islam. We want Islam
to dominate the world.]

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Talking to Rumaysah, you come face to face
with a version of Islam that wipes out every

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other aspect of a person's identity. He is
a convert from Hinduism but his new beliefs

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bar even the most basic human feelings towards
his mother and other family members who didn't

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convert.

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Abu Rumaysah: I don't love them as non Muslims,
but I desire for them to become Muslim and

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embrace Islam.

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Clarissa Ward: But you love her as your mother?

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Abu Rumaysah: She's my mother and she has
rights over me, so I have to take care of

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her. I have to look after her. I have to make
sure that, you know, she's protected and secure.

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So I fulfill my obligations like that.

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Clarissa Ward: But do you feel love for her?

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Abu Rumaysah: It's not allowed for me to love
non-Muslims. So that's something that is a

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matter of faith.

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Clarissa Ward: So do you feel that you are
British?

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Abu Rumaysah: I identify myself as a Muslim.
If I was born in a stable, you know, I'm not

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going to be a horse. If was born in Nazi Germany,
I'm not going to be a Nazi. I mean, this is

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just an island I was born in.

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Rumaysah and Choudary both live in east London,
which is home to one of the largest Muslim

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populations in the U.K. In one part of town,
Rumaysah and his associates have set up so

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called "Sharia patrols" to go out and discourage
behavior that they deem un-Islamic.

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On this night they stopped to talk to a couple
of non-Muslim men who were in a park drinking

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beer, which is forbidden under Islam.

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[Male voice: So we're just reminding anyway.
Reminding the community about staying safe.

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And in this area there's a lot of gambling
that goes on. A lot of alcohol drinking and

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it leads to a lot of problems. So we advise
you and we advise anyone we see to stay away

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from these things.]

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But the patrols are not always so friendly.
Online clips give a very different picture.

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A woman in a short skirt is abused.

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A man the patrol thinks is gay is insulted.

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Walking through London with Rumaysah you experience
an alternate reality where there is no compromise

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and all conversations are one sided.

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Abu Rumaysah: Ultimately, I want to see every
single woman in this country covered from

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head to toe. I want to the see the hand of
the thief cut. I want to see adulterers stoned

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to death. I want to see Sharia law in Europe.
And I want to see it in America as well.

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I believe our patrols are a means to an end.

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Clarissa Ward: The only thing I would say
is that in America and in the United Kingdom,

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we have a system: democracy.

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Abu Rumaysah: A backwards one.

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Clarissa Ward: But it's a system...

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Abu Rumaysah: A barbaric one.

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Clarissa Ward: ...that allows the people to
choose what they want and allows people freedom.

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Abu Rumaysah: So why can't I choose Sharia?
When in Rome, overthrow Caesar and commit

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to Sharia.

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Clarissa Ward: In your home, you can do whatever
you want?

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Abu Rumaysah: But what about in the public?
Why can't I tell you to cover up? Am I free

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to say that?

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Clarissa Ward: Because it would be outrageous.
Of course, you're not...

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Abu Rumaysah: So where's my freedom? Where's
my freedom?

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Clarissa Ward: You can say it to me, but you...

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Abu Rumaysah: Okay. So cover up. Wear the
hijab.

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Clarissa Ward: That's absurd.

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The thought of Choudary's supporters taking
the law into their own hands is deeply frightening

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to most British people. This is a group that
believes the West is at war with Islam. And

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that the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan
justify any kind of violence in response.

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The most shocking example of that logic was
the gruesome and very public murder of British

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soldier Lee Rigby on a London street last
year. On that day the man wielding the knife

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was a known associate of Choudary.

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Choudary has refused to condemn Rigby's murder.
Nor will he criticize ISIS for the beheading

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of American journalist James Foley and other
western hostages.

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Anjem Choudary: You know, I don't know the
details about James Foley, but...

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Clarissa Ward: I know the details. Let me
educate you, because he was a friend of mine.

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Anjem Choudary: I don't believe you. I'm sorry,
I don't believe you.

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Clarissa Ward: You don't believe me that...

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Anjem Choudary: The fact...

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Clarissa Ward: ...James Foley was a journalist?

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Anjem Choudary: I don't believe. No, I don't
believe any western journalists, quite frankly.

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I believe you're liars until proven otherwise.
But let me tell you something, the perspective

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of the Muslims of journalists, whether that
be James Foley and others, is that they are

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the propaganda for the western regimes.

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Clarissa Ward: Have you formed an opinion
for yourself?

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Anjem Choudary: I form my opinion on the basis
of what the Muslims say, not on the basis

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of what you say.

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Clarissa Ward: I'm sensing a double standard
here. Because essentially you're very quick

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to condemn acts of violence by the West. But
you refuse to condemn any act of violence

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by your fellow Muslims.

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Anjem Choudary: No, I believe that there's
a difference between the oppressor and oppressed.

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Britain's authorities have struggled with
how to handle extremists like Choudary and

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his followers. He has been arrested multiple
times but never convicted of anything more

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than staging an illegal demonstration.

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And now the police face a new challenge that
is nearly impossible to manage: the spread

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of Islamic extremism through slickly produced
online propaganda films from real fighters

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in real battlefields.

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[British jihadi: We will chop off the heads
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French, chop off the heads of whoever you
may bring.]

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Those videos have proven wildly attractive
to thousands of young people who feel alienated

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from the western societies they live in. For
them, jihad offers the promise of power and

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glory.

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Sir Peter Fahy is in charge of a government
program called "Prevent," set up to combat

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the radicalization of British Muslims.

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Sir Peter Fahy: I think the big concern about
the current situation is just a huge amount

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of material which is available on social media,
in the various publications and the various

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videos that I think a lot of us are struggling
to come to terms with and get a good picture

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of.

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Clarissa Ward: So in a sense, it's less about
preachers radicalizing young men. And it's

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more young fighters radicalizing other young
fighters from the battlefield using social

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media as their recruitment platform?

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Sir Peter Fahy: I think you're absolutely
right. That is my concern is that what has

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changed again over recent months is that you
have got local people identifiable as real

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people. You've got, you know, a person who's
identifiably British who's gone out there

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and is absolutely using social media to be
able to communicate directly into your son

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or daughter's bedroom and to encourage them
to come out. And I think that is extremely

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worrying as a new development. As I say, I
think a lot of families and a lot of parents,

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including obviously Muslim parents, are very
concerned about that.

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Clarissa Ward: Bedroom jihad, they're calling
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Sir Peter Fahy: Absolutely. It's almost that
personal contact which is the worrying aspect.

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But, you know, we need to be aware of all
different forms of brainwashing and radicalization.

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Clarissa Ward: If their parents can't stop
it, what can you do to stop it?

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Sir Peter Fahy: Well, all we can do is raise
awareness. But you're absolutely right. And

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we constantly agonize about whether this is
a job for the police or not.

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Britain's mainstream Muslim leaders are speaking
out against ISIS and have discouraged young

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men in their communities from joining the
fight. But the ongoing U.S.-led military campaign

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in Syria and Iraq has stoked anger and raised
fears of terrorist retaliation attacks in

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the West.

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Clarissa Ward: Do you believe that there will
be more attacks in the West?

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Anjem Choudary: Yes. I believe it's inevitable.

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Clarissa Ward: If you believe that, would
you ever use your role as a British citizen,

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and as a Muslim, to actively dissuade people
from launching attacks here in the U.K., in

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the U.S., in the West?

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Anjem Choudary: Well, I think we need to deal
with the root causes. I think it's really

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absurd to say, "Well, why shouldn't people
react?" The fact is if we don't deal with

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the root cause, which is the occupation of
the Muslim land, which is the torture of Muslims,

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which is the foreign policy of governments
like Britain and America, that you will never

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be able to stop people.

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Clarissa Ward: So, just so I understand, you
will continue to refuse to condemn acts of

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Anjem Choudary: Well, as I say, you know,
I'm not in the game of condemnation or condoning.

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Clarissa Ward: It's really just a yes-or-no
question.

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Anjem Choudary: Well, I don't want to answer
you with a yes-or-no answer.

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But Choudary, who is out on bail, will have
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in January. His case is a serious test of
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When we introduced you to the former Navy
SEAL called Mark Owen, two years ago, he told

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us his riveting first hand account of how
Seal Team Six killed Osama bin Laden. It was

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the tale that he wrote about in his best selling
book, "No Easy Day." He told us that he wrote

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the book to set the record straight and planned
to donate most of the profits to charities

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benefitting families of fallen Navy SEALs.
He kept his real name secret expecting to

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disappear back into the shadows. But that's
not how it worked out. This is the story of

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how one of the men who shot Osama bin Laden
came under fire from his fellow SEALs, and

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his own government, and what he'd like to
say now to make amends.

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Scott Pelley: You know I wonder how you compare
the stress of the last two years to the kind

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of work you did as a SEAL.

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Mark Owen: I would go back overseas today
and deal with fighting ISIS face-to-face rather

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than deal with the last two years again.

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The last two years were something Mark Owen
never trained for. He's been investigated

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by the government, excommunicated by the SEAL
leadership and inundated with legal bills.

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All for writing the first eyewitness account
of the bin Laden raid, and for being the first

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SEAK to talk about it publically, in our interview
in 2012.

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[Mark Owen: And then all of the sudden we
banked hard 90 degrees and it was very apparent

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something was wrong.]

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Scott Pelley: What do you say to people who
believe fervently that you do secret operations

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for the government, and they stay secret until
you die? You don't say anything about them.

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Mark Owen: How many former secretaries of
defense have written books? How many former

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generals have written books? How many former
SOCOMs, Special Operations commanders, have

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written books? I'm a nobody, right? I'm a
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Nothing else, nothing. I've sacrificed everything
in my life to continue raising my hand volunteering

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right next to my brothers to continue to go
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So it's tough.

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Scott Pelley: So if it's fair for the generals,
it should be fair for the enlisted men too?

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Mark Owen: Absolutely.

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Those 13 deployments he mentioned include
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Laden raid and the famous mission that freed
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pirates in 2009.

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In both of our interviews, we disguised his
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2012 he walked us through the assault on bin
Laden's house. Owen told us he was in line

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right behind the SEAL who shot bin Laden first.

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[Mark Owen: Myself and the next assaulter
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and then rolled off and then continued clearing
the room.]

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[Scott Pelley: When you say you engaged him,
what do you mean?]

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[Mark Owen: Fired.]

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[Scott Pelley: You shot him.]

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[Mark Owen: Yeah.]

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The SEALs were faceless heroes. That's Owen
with the president and vice president. Here

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he is with the elder George Bush, who's holding
a copy of Owen's book, and with the younger

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President Bush. But even amid the celebrating,
over at the Pentagon, there was growing anger

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because Owen skipped a step that's considered
mandatory. He didn't clear the book with government

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censors. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta fired
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Scott Pelley: Two days after your first interview
ran on 60 Minutes, the Secretary of Defense

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came on CBS News and said that your book tells
our enemies essentially how we operate and

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what we do to go after them and when you do
that, you tip them off.

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[Leon Panetta: How the hell can we run sensitive
operations here that go after enemies if people

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are allowed to do that?]

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Scott Pelley: Did you do that?

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Mark Owen: Did I disclose anything that would've
put the guys in harm's way? That's absolutely

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not what I intended to do. These are my brothers
that I served beside for years. And a lot

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of them continue to serve. These are guys
I had, you know, lived and died next to. These

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are not guys that I would want to sacrifice
their security for any reason.

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Scott Pelley: One of the things you said in
that book was, "If you're looking for secrets,

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you won't find them here."

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Mark Owen: I tried my best, yes, sir.

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But now, his lawyer tells us Owen is the target
of a criminal investigation under the espionage

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act - looking into whether he gave away valuable
secrets. No charges have been filed but eight

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weeks ago he was questioned for ten hours
about the book and our interview.

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Scott Pelley: Mark Owen is a member of the
team that killed Osama bin Laden. And now

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he faces criminal investigation. How does
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Bob Luskin: Well, it happens because he got
some bad legal advice. He should have submitted

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the manuscript for "No Easy Day" for prepublication
review and he didn't.

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Bob Luskin is Mark Owen's current lawyer.

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Bob Luskin: And folks in the Defense Department
were concerned that it disclosed classified

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information. And so they're conducting an
investigation to see whether he did it with

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the wrong intent.

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Scott Pelley: Was classified information disclosed?

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Bob Luskin: Well, I can't discuss that. You
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you can't talk about what you can't talk about.

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And the government won't talk about the investigation
either. But we've learned that one area of

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concern deals with the existence of the SEAL's
special night vision goggles, mentioned in

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the book. Anyone can find the goggles on the
manufacturer's website, but just because a

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secret is out, doesn't mean it isn't still
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Owen told us that he skipped the prepublication
review on advice of his former lawyer, who

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had helped other retired Special Operations
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Mark Owen: Those books had never, nobody had
ever gotten in trouble for them. I went to

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him and said, "Okay, hey, look, what are my
legal obligations?" He said, "Look, you have

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no legal obligation to get it reviewed. You're
a civilian now. I can review it for you. I

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had no reason to believe otherwise."

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Scott Pelley: What do you know now?

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Mark Owen: That you're absolutely supposed
to get your, any type of manuscript or book

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reviewed.

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Scott Pelley: In this interview, you've acknowledged
not following the procedures properly. And

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I wonder why you think you should not be prosecuted?

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Mark Owen: From the beginning, I've always
tried to do the right thing. Had we purposely

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tried to go around what my obligations were,
absolutely I should be held accountable. But

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the fact is I didn't. I hired a lawyer with
my own money off to the side because I wanted

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to do the right thing. I got horrible advice
and I've dealt with that for the past two

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years.

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Owen's previous lawyer who helped with the
book denies that the legal advice was faulty

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but he won't comment further. It turns out
that the criminal investigation is just the

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half of it. There is also been an anonymous
campaign of retribution apparently from inside

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the military. One piece of indisputably classified
information revealed at the time was Owen's

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real name - leaked to the media before our
first interview by persons unknown.

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Scott Pelley: What did you have to do for
your own personal safety once your name came

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out?

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Mark Owen: Let's just say I fly a little further
underneath the radar than I ever have before.

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I don't want anybody to know where I live.
That's not the important piece. I want to

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be very cautious - security wise. Obviously
the world is a crazy place right now: ISIS

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and plenty of other bad guys out there.

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Scott Pelley: When you tried to reach out
to your former commander to explain yourself

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when the first book came out, what happened?
How did he react?

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Mark Owen: The first thing I wanted to do
when I figured out that, "Wow, whoa, this

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is going to be a little bigger than I thought,
There's going to be some issues here," then

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I want to reach out to my former command and
say, "Hey, look, sir, let's discuss. I have

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nothing to hide. I, you know, let's talk about
this." I got a text message back just simply

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saying, you know, "Delete me."

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Scott Pelley: Delete me? What did that mean?

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Mark Owen: I take that as he did not want
to hear from me or talk with me anymore.

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Owen appears to be the only one under investigation
even though several people have talked about

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the raid. Someone, unnamed, revealed details
to the New Yorker magazine. There's another

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well informed book by author Mark Bowden.
And then there's the movie, "Zero Dark Thirty,"

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which also depicts those night vision goggles,
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The moviemakers met with the acting director
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the Pentagon's Under Secretary for Intelligence
Mike Vickers. According to this Pentagon transcript,

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obtained by the group Judicial Watch, Vickers
says he will give the screenwriter someone

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who, quote, "was involved from the beginning
as a planner; a SEAL Team Six operator and

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commander ...The only thing we ask is that
you not reveal his name because he shouldn't

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be talking out of school."

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The meeting with the commander was apparently
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of revealing too much.

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Scott Pelley: I wonder if Mark Owen is being
singled out here.

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Bob Luskin: Look, the folks on the other side,
I think, are honest and well intentioned.

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And they're trying hard to do a difficult
job. But having said that, there's clearly

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something outlandish about a process as a
whole in which people are free to leak classified

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information to the person who wrote the New
Yorker article, to Mark Bowden, to the folks

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who produced "Zero Dark Thirty." And at the
end of the day, the only person who's held

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accountable is the person who risked his life.
It's not fair at all. It's an absurd result.

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The best result that Mark Owen can hope for
now is to avoid prosecution and reach a settlement

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that would give the government most of the
profits from "No Easy Day." Profits that Owen

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intended to donate to Navy SEAL charities.
Such an agreement is still being negotiated.

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Scott Pelley: Was an apology part of the agreement
that you wanted to strike with the government?

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Mark Owen: Sure. And it's not that they needed
to ask me to get on the media and say, "I'm

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sorry."

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Scott Pelley: Would you like to make that
public apology right here right now?

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Mark Owen: Yeah, sure. Absolutely. I did not
set out to bypass any rules, regulations.

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I felt that I was doing everything the right
way, legally. Obviously, that was a mistake.

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So no, I'm very sorry about that. And I've
proven that we can do things a different way.

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Which is what we've done with "No Hero."

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"No Hero" is his new book, which he did clear
with the Pentagon and the censors struck part

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of it out but the reader can infer this is
about Captain Phillips - also the subject

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of a movie. And then there's "SEAL team blank."
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The prologue of the book, called forty names,
is a vivid reminder of how much the SEALs

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have sacrificed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Mark Owen: They're 40 names in my cell phone
contact list that are no longer here.

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Scott Pelley: Forty names of people who've
been killed?

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Mark Owen: Yeah.

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Scott Pelley: Why do you keep them in your
cell phone contact list?

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Mark Owen: How can I delete them? Right? These
are friends of mine that I served with, next

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to, ate dinner with, had a beer with, you
name it. And they're no longer here. How can

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I delete that name out of my phone? I can't.

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Scott Pelley: It's like losing them forever.

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Mark Owen: Sure.

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"No Hero" is about the lessons that Owen learned
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The most important, he says, came during a
rock climbing trip, when he froze 300 feet

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up. The instructor made his way over to him.

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Mark Owen: And he's like, "Hey buddy. Stay
in your three-foot world." "What are you,

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what the hell are you talking about?" He says,
"Look, you can't affect anything outside of

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three feet around you, can you?" I'm like,
"Well, no." "So stay in your three-foot world.

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Look inside your three-foot world, find the
next hand hold, and climb your way out." I

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climbed my way out, and I've applied that
analogy to so many things in my life. If I

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can't affect them, don't worry about it. You
can't. People waste so much of their time

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and-- and effort worrying about things outside
of their control. Learn from them, move on,

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and don't worry about it.

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Staying within his three-foot world has helped
Mark Owen these last two years. He would still

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have written "No Easy Day," he told us, but
now he says he would have done it by the book.

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Scott Pelley: If you are able to reach a settlement
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what will that mean to you?

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Mark Owen: A huge weight off my shoulders.
I don't feel as if I've officially moved on

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and out of the military because I still feel
like I'm somewhat under the thumb of this

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issue. And I would love more than anything
to just move past that, move on with my life

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and figure out what life has in store for me.

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Blake Shelton has one of the top country albums
in America and a grin that won't go away.

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He's country music's most recognizable star
and that's saying something, since 80 million

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Americans listen to country music every week.
Songs about hook ups, pickup trucks and solo

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cups. And that's just fine with the 38-year-old
Shelton, who grew up in Oklahoma, wears jeans

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and alligator-skin boots everyday and as you'll
see, has enough personality to fill out his

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six-foot-five country-boy frame.

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Norah O'Donnell: What is it about country
that's so popular?

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Blake Shelton: You know, it's not just our
music, I think, that people feel like they

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can relate to. But it's us. It's the artists
that they feel like they can relate to. I

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know for me when I go home, I hunt, and I
fish, and I plant corn and I drive back roads.

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I literally do the things that I sing about.

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Norah O'Donnell: What about the criticism
that country music, a lot of it sounds the

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same?

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Blake Shelton: Gosh dang, man, I hear about
it all the time. You know, "It's the same

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subject matter over and over again," and,
"All y'all sing about is, you know, pretty

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girls."

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Norah O'Donnell: There's a lot of songs...

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Blake Shelton: And...

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Norah O'Donnell: ...about drinking too.

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Blake Shelton: I like pretty girls.

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Norah O'Donnell: And dr...

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Blake Shelton: And I like drinking. And I
like singing about it. So get over it. That's

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my take on it.

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On tour in Little Rock last summer, Blake
Shelton's point of view was on full display.

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His concerts across the country are filled
with people who see things the way he does.

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Seats at Shelton's shows are usually holding
more beers than behinds. His audience prefers

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stand-up-sing-alongs.

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Norah O'Donnell: Here's one of my favorites
from one of your biggest hits, "Boys 'Round

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Here": "Backwoods legit, chew tobacco, chew
tobacco, chew tobacco, spit."

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Blake Shelton: You can't tell me that doesn't
speak to your soul. And...

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Norah O'Donnell: "Chew tobacco, chew tobacco,
chew tobacco, spit."

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Blake Shelton: See, you almost tear up when
you say that. It's because it's striking a

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nerve. It's just fun. I don't know how you
let loose and just have fun if you're having

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to think too hard about it. And then when
it's time to be serious, I have songs that'll

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take you down there. Some will take you too
far down. It hurts for me to even listen to

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some of my own songs sometimes. But when I
want to have fun and not think about it, I

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want to sing, you know, "Chew tobacco, spit."

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Shelton comes by his country credentials naturally.
He was raised in Ada, Oklahoma, a town of

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less than 20,000, an hour-and-a-half from
the nearest big city.

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Blake Shelton: So that was the drive through
town.

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Norah O'Donnell: That lasted two minutes.

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His father sold cars here and his mom ran
a beauty parlor. He started singing to the

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radio as early as he can remember.

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Blake Shelton: Any time Mom walked by my bedroom,
it was like, "What in the hell is he doing

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in there? It's loud," you know, "Turn it down."

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Norah O'Donnell: And she had you performing
at beauty pageants...

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Blake Shelton: She knew she had a kid that
she wanted to get on stage and she put me

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in the damn pageant and let me, "They have
a talent part. He can sing in there," you

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know?

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Norah O'Donnell: But wasn't it mostly girls?

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Blake Shelton: Oh, God, yes. Mostly all girls.
I mean, because what boy from Ada, Oklahoma

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would want to be in the Miss Valentine Pageant,
right?

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But there was a lesson he learned on stage
at an early age that Shelton believes is central

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to his success.

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Blake Shelton: I learned that it was more
to it than just coming up here and singing

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a song and walking off. I knew I wasn't a
good enough singer for that just to be the

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thing. You got to perform but you also got
to entertain. You got to make people laugh.

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You got to tell a joke or a story. Make the
most of the time that you're out here so that

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people remember you when you walk away.

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Blake grew up the youngest of three Shelton
children. Older sister, Endy, and brother,

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Richie, who Blake remembers looking up to
for all the usual big brother reasons.

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Blake Shelton: His bedroom was right across
the hallway from mine when I was little. And

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he was listening to Hank Williams, Jr. or
Waylon, Lynyrd Skynyrd or Bob Seeger. I just,

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whatever was popular really, Richie loved
all music. And I would be sitting there going,

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"Man, that guy's my hero. That's the coolest
guy. He's my big brother."

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But the music stopped when Blake was just
14 years old. Richie Shelton was killed in

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a car accident.

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Norah O'Donnell: How did you deal with the
grief?

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Blake Shelton: I don't know, you know? I remember
picking up the phone to call him a week after

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he was dead, to tell him something. And it
was like, you think about what I, you know,

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I was picking up the phone to call him, to
tell him something I just saw on TV or, and

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it was like constantly a shock to me that
he was dead. It was just...

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Norah O'Donnell: You don't ever get over it?

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Blake Shelton: No, that's what my dad told
me, too. He said, "Look, you will never, ever

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get over this happening. You're just going
to have to learn to get used to it." He was

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absolutely right.

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He wrote about the loss, even acknowledging
his dad's warning,

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[Blake Shelton: They say I'll be OK but I'm
not going to ever get over you...]

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Blake Shelton's childhood wasn't easy. His
parents were divorced and for a time, he lived

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with his dad in this apartment. They lived
simply and very country.

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Blake Shelton: I went fishing or hunting every
day after school. And whatever I had ended

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up on that porch. We were bachelors. We had
a lot of chicken chow mein.

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Norah O'Donnell: Yeah. I bet.

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Blake Shelton: In that house and deer chili.

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Norah O'Donnell: Deer chili?

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Blake Shelton: That...

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Norah O'Donnell: Did you make the deer chili?

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Blake Shelton: Oh God, yeah. All that dead
stuff I dragged up on that porch, we ate it.

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Two weeks after barely graduating from high
school, Blake left for Nashville. Five years

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later, he had a record deal and in 2001, landed
his first big hit.

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But having staying power in Nashville is about
as easy as making it in L.A. as an actor.

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And Shelton was known as much for his hairstyle
as he was for his musical chops. But his career

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and his life changed in 2005 when he was asked
to perform on this TV special with an up-and-coming

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singer from Texas named Miranda Lambert.

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Norah O'Donnell: A lot of people who were
there say they saw you falling in love at

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that moment.

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Blake Shelton: I guess so.

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Norah O'Donnell: And when you look back at
it, you think?

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Blake Shelton: I mean, I guess so. It's hard
to argue with what I'm looking at. I'm trying

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to play the guy card here like, 'By God, no'
but I mean, that's pretty pathetic right there.

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Norah O'Donnell: But you were married at the
time.

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Blake Shelton: I was married. That was easily
the toughest thing that I've, you know, been

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through. I put my divorce up there with my
brother's death and that was a tough, tough

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call to make.

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Shelton eventually married Lambert.

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And started to string together hit after hit.

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And in 2011, was approached about a new music
competition show called "The Voice." Turns

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out the boy with the "aw shucks I am from
Ada, Oklahoma" personality was about to go

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Hollywood.

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Blake Shelton: I have absolutely no problem
with making an ass out of myself.

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Actually, he's made a name for himself. When
it started Shelton was probably the show's

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least known star, but today, he's known as
the unpredictable judge with the quickest

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wit.

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[Adam Levine: Can I talk?]

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[Blake Shelton: Yeah, go ahead.]

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[Adam Levine: Oh my god, Aw man, I...]

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[Blake Shelton: Well that's a good point.
And I'm glad that you took this opportunity.]

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[Adam Levine: Why don't you hush up.]

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[Blake Shelton: OK.]

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And the deepest drink, usually vodka.

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Norah O'Donnell: Showtime.

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Blake Shelton: You ready?

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Norah O'Donnell: I'm ready. Are you ready?

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Blake Shelton: I better be.

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Because of his TV schedule, Shelton performs
less than other country stars, even though

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the demand for him is huge.

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He hosts the Academy of Country Music Awards
and holds a unique country music record: 12

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consecutive number one singles, so far.

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Norah O'Donnell: You don't write too many
of your songs.

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Blake Shelton: I don't. If I've written 200
songs in my life or 300 songs, I probably

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have 15 of those that I'm proud of. That I
truly go, man, I did something there. And

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I can't imagine me convincing myself that
I'm a better songwriter than some of these

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people in Nashville. I just want the song
to be the best song it can possibly be.

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His other priority is getting home as often
as possible. When his TV shows or concerts

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wrap, he heads immediately to the nearest
private airport.

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Blake Shelton: I am leaving Hollywood. Thank
you, God.

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To get back home to Oklahoma, close to where
he used to hunt and fish with his dad. He

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lives with his wife Miranda Lambert on a 1,200-acre
ranch. They say it's their last private place

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and we weren't invited in. When we drove around
town with Shelton he was proud to show us

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the shop where he gets his boots re-soled.
And that he still knows his neighbors

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[Blake Shelton: Tell Steve, Pattie, David,
I say, "Hi."]

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But no matter if we were in Oklahoma, L.A.
or Manhattan, the country boy and the country

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star seemed to be the same person: polite,
funny and completely comfortable in those

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cowboy boots.