1 00:00:11,557 --> 00:00:12,977 Everyone knows how the story 2 00:00:12,977 --> 00:00:15,211 of Snow White and Prince Charming ends, but 3 00:00:15,346 --> 00:00:21,654 actually, this isn't the end... In our story, this is only the 4 00:00:21,654 --> 00:00:25,121 beginning. What if Snow White and 5 00:00:25,255 --> 00:00:28,257 Prince Charming had a baby girl, Emma, who was the savior against 6 00:00:28,392 --> 00:00:30,393 the Evil Queen's curse that she stole from Rumplestiltskin, who 7 00:00:30,527 --> 00:00:32,929 is in love with Belle. Who is good friends with Red 8 00:00:33,063 --> 00:00:36,632 Riding Hood, who's actually the big bad wolf, who also befriends 9 00:00:36,767 --> 00:00:39,235 Snow White while she's on the run from Regina the Evil Queen 10 00:00:39,369 --> 00:00:41,270 who casts the dark curse sending everyone except for Pinocchio 11 00:00:41,405 --> 00:00:43,873 and baby savior Emma to a small town in Maine. 12 00:00:44,007 --> 00:00:47,635 Where 28 years later they all live with no memory of who they 13 00:00:47,635 --> 00:00:49,233 - really are. - Do you know this man? 14 00:00:50,517 --> 00:00:51,520 No? 15 00:00:53,727 --> 00:00:54,967 So that makes Snow White, 16 00:00:54,967 --> 00:00:56,622 Prince Charming, Rumplestiltskin, 17 00:00:56,757 --> 00:00:59,688 Red Riding Hood, and everyone else from Belle to the Blue Fairy all related. 18 00:00:59,688 --> 00:01:01,762 Only one thing is certain. 19 00:01:01,762 --> 00:01:04,766 - It's complicated. - You following so far? 20 00:01:05,632 --> 00:01:08,267 Hope so. Because it's about to get a lot 21 00:01:08,401 --> 00:01:11,136 - more interesting. - What are you doing? 22 00:01:11,271 --> 00:01:13,239 - Changing. - Tonight, we go behind the 23 00:01:13,373 --> 00:01:16,990 scenes and show you how we make it all happen. 24 00:01:21,523 --> 00:01:24,243 Welcome to Once Upon A Time: Secrets of Storybrooke. 25 00:01:24,243 --> 00:01:26,601 Synced and Corrected by Nsiko www.Addic7ed.com 26 00:01:27,428 --> 00:01:28,556 The story goes that Charming 27 00:01:28,690 --> 00:01:31,592 and snow get married and live, you know, happily ever after. 28 00:01:31,726 --> 00:01:37,756 Except for the two guys you are about to meet, that just wasn't 29 00:01:37,756 --> 00:01:40,156 - good enough, was it? - And do you, Snow White, 30 00:01:40,530 --> 00:01:43,684 promise to take this man to be your husband and love him for 31 00:01:43,684 --> 00:01:46,406 - all eternity? - I do. 32 00:01:46,873 --> 00:01:50,409 For starters, what if, just as snow and Charming finally get 33 00:01:50,544 --> 00:01:53,891 everything they want, this happens... 34 00:01:58,318 --> 00:01:59,919 We originally had this idea in 2002, when we were young 35 00:02:00,053 --> 00:02:02,288 writers. We were talking about how 36 00:02:02,422 --> 00:02:08,060 frustrating it would be to be the Evil Queen. 37 00:02:08,194 --> 00:02:10,629 And we thought, how horrible would it be to be in a place 38 00:02:10,764 --> 00:02:16,264 - where you never get to win? - I shall destroy your happiness 39 00:02:17,070 --> 00:02:20,039 if it is the last thing I do. 40 00:02:20,173 --> 00:02:23,642 And then it kind of morphed into, what if the queen, you 41 00:02:23,777 --> 00:02:27,846 know, cast a curse that brought everybody to a place where she 42 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:30,449 could finally win, where happy endings aren't guaranteed. 43 00:02:30,583 --> 00:02:35,428 - Well, that would be our world. - And this idea had stuck with us 44 00:02:35,995 --> 00:02:37,615 When it came time to cast the pilot. 45 00:02:38,661 --> 00:02:40,376 Snow White we wrote for Ginnifer Goodwin. 46 00:02:40,413 --> 00:02:41,880 We didn't think we would get 47 00:02:42,014 --> 00:02:44,316 her, but we were like, she was the model for Snow White. 48 00:02:44,450 --> 00:02:48,503 And, as it happened... she was my favorite princess 49 00:02:48,687 --> 00:02:50,162 growing up. I had brown hair. 50 00:02:50,162 --> 00:02:52,911 I could relate. I also had an obsession with 51 00:02:52,911 --> 00:02:55,126 Disney princesses and desperately wanted to play one. 52 00:02:55,326 --> 00:02:58,895 What we didn't realize was what a huge Disney geek she was. 53 00:02:59,029 --> 00:03:02,131 I got a phone call from my reps and they said, "we've got 54 00:03:02,266 --> 00:03:03,700 one we think might be of interest to you." 55 00:03:03,834 --> 00:03:05,301 They said, "they're asking you to play Snow White." 56 00:03:05,436 --> 00:03:06,934 And I was like, "I'm in!" 57 00:03:10,863 --> 00:03:12,103 My princess costume? 58 00:03:12,309 --> 00:03:16,913 A red leather jacket and a gun. Perfect. 59 00:03:17,047 --> 00:03:20,750 The fairy tales in the past sort of presented this idea that 60 00:03:20,884 --> 00:03:23,319 women were damsels in distress and they needed to be saved by 61 00:03:23,454 --> 00:03:25,988 this man and that he was gonna sweep her off her feet and make 62 00:03:26,123 --> 00:03:28,124 everything okay and she was just gonna be fine. 63 00:03:28,258 --> 00:03:30,760 And I always wondered, like, what are they doing in that 64 00:03:30,894 --> 00:03:35,031 castle? That just sounds so boring. 65 00:03:35,165 --> 00:03:37,133 Jennifer Morrison, we had loved from "house" and "how I 66 00:03:37,267 --> 00:03:39,435 met your mother." We were literally watching "how 67 00:03:39,570 --> 00:03:44,006 I met your mother" and her character was written off the 68 00:03:44,141 --> 00:03:46,653 show and we immediately called and we were like, "is she available? 69 00:03:48,357 --> 00:03:49,812 Eddy and Adam are reinventing 70 00:03:49,947 --> 00:03:55,651 the idea of fairy tales and the role that female heroes play in 71 00:03:55,786 --> 00:03:56,919 these stories. And so Emma is definitely a 72 00:03:57,054 --> 00:03:58,232 representation of that. 73 00:04:02,817 --> 00:04:04,118 We wanted a Rumplestiltskin 74 00:04:04,118 --> 00:04:07,638 character, and Robert Carlyle was the only one we had in mind 75 00:04:07,638 --> 00:04:10,130 - for that. - You're my oldest friend. 76 00:04:13,031 --> 00:04:15,532 Well, when I found out that I was gonna be playing 77 00:04:15,667 --> 00:04:18,702 Captain Hook, I couldn't, you know, sort of wrap my head 78 00:04:18,837 --> 00:04:20,838 around it, really. Because I expected him to be a 79 00:04:20,972 --> 00:04:25,523 bit older and have the long hair and the big twirly mustache. 80 00:04:26,180 --> 00:04:29,398 - Let my wrath be unleashed. - The Evil Queen was funny 81 00:04:29,398 --> 00:04:32,662 because we had never met Lana before and she came in to read 82 00:04:32,662 --> 00:04:36,360 for us, and she did one go-through on the scene, and she 83 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,176 scared us to death. Like, we were terrified in our seats 84 00:04:46,774 --> 00:04:47,815 Sorry I'm late. 85 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:50,645 And at the end of the reading we were like, "thank you." 86 00:04:50,780 --> 00:04:53,681 She nailed it. And, you know, we went right to 87 00:04:53,816 --> 00:04:55,783 the network and said, "we found our Evil Queen." 88 00:04:55,918 --> 00:05:00,054 - This is my happy ending. - If I told you how I prepared 89 00:05:00,189 --> 00:05:03,437 to play the Evil Queen I'd probably get locked in an insane asylum. 90 00:05:08,138 --> 00:05:09,631 Where are we going? 91 00:05:09,765 --> 00:05:16,704 Somewhere horrible... A place where the only happy 92 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,026 ending will be mine. 93 00:05:19,665 --> 00:05:27,081 So where can an Evil Queen catch a break? Apparently, in Maine, in a 94 00:05:27,121 --> 00:05:28,999 fictional town the writers called Storybrooke. 95 00:05:29,418 --> 00:05:32,787 Good morning, madam mayor. Beautiful day, isn't it? 96 00:05:34,674 --> 00:05:36,950 In real life, we shoot the Storybrooke scenes in a small 97 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:39,899 town called Steveston, a half-hour drive outside of 98 00:05:39,899 --> 00:05:42,277 Vancouver, Canada. 99 00:05:43,168 --> 00:05:47,653 It's about a one-day transformation to make Steveston into Storybrooke. 100 00:05:49,912 --> 00:05:53,047 And we have relationships with a lot of the store vendors where 101 00:05:53,047 --> 00:05:55,851 we go in and put our own set decoration in their windows and 102 00:05:56,353 --> 00:06:02,013 our own signage. Our clock tower is actually a 103 00:06:02,078 --> 00:06:05,723 visual effect because the library doesn't have a big tower 104 00:06:06,177 --> 00:06:09,182 on top of it and we made the decision to do it digitally. 105 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:12,532 And the funny thing is, is that a lot of visitors come to the 106 00:06:12,693 --> 00:06:15,490 town of Steveston to see our sets and to see where they shoot 107 00:06:15,674 --> 00:06:18,243 the show and they wanna see the clock tower and there is no 108 00:06:18,243 --> 00:06:19,344 clock tower there. 109 00:06:21,058 --> 00:06:22,895 Steveston had just kind of the 110 00:06:23,131 --> 00:06:29,658 right blend of quaint, small town, not too much modern 111 00:06:29,876 --> 00:06:32,729 interference. But there was just enough there 112 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:36,788 that felt like it was a little bit lost in time and that's what 113 00:06:36,993 --> 00:06:38,298 our show is really about. 114 00:06:41,863 --> 00:06:43,088 Trapped in Maine, the people 115 00:06:43,088 --> 00:06:45,886 of Storybrooke have issues. But they don't know why they're 116 00:06:45,886 --> 00:06:48,405 - so unhappy. - Happy Valentine's day. 117 00:06:48,602 --> 00:06:51,810 - Happy Valentine's day. - And for a long time, we 118 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:55,330 weren't sure either because eddy and Adam also kept the actors in 119 00:06:55,330 --> 00:06:57,678 the dark. We found out the same way you 120 00:06:57,678 --> 00:07:00,814 did, piece by piece, through those weekly flashbacks. 121 00:07:01,943 --> 00:07:06,354 I love Mary Margaret flashbacks because Mary Margaret 122 00:07:06,354 --> 00:07:11,970 - was a doormat in many ways. - I will always find you. 123 00:07:12,832 --> 00:07:14,737 Aren't you a real Prince Charming. 124 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:17,805 The parallel universes on this show are really a way of 125 00:07:17,805 --> 00:07:20,855 saying the things that happen in those worlds are real. 126 00:07:20,855 --> 00:07:22,692 They have stakes. They have consequences. 127 00:07:23,485 --> 00:07:26,677 And it turns out their fairytale selves tend to be 128 00:07:26,677 --> 00:07:31,451 braver and tougher and, thanks to Eduardo Castro, much better 129 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,245 - dressed. - Here's the famous bandit 130 00:07:33,245 --> 00:07:38,105 costume which has many layers of different types of leather and 131 00:07:38,105 --> 00:07:42,527 suede. I would say we've created around 132 00:07:42,527 --> 00:07:47,086 the vicinity of 300, 350 custom-made costumes. 133 00:07:48,055 --> 00:07:51,818 So here we have Prince Charming. So it's very royal at the same 134 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:55,613 time and it's very masculine. And very heavy. 135 00:07:56,173 --> 00:08:00,597 And he's worn this... oh my God, he's worn this so many times. 136 00:08:00,922 --> 00:08:04,045 As soon as I put on tight leather, that's when I feel like 137 00:08:04,191 --> 00:08:06,193 Prince Charming in the enchanted forest. 138 00:08:08,957 --> 00:08:11,775 Into this town of tortured amnesiacs drives the most 139 00:08:11,775 --> 00:08:14,172 unlikely of all fairytale heroes. 140 00:08:14,744 --> 00:08:22,228 Her name... Emma Swan. And next, we've got a lot 141 00:08:22,228 --> 00:08:24,981 more magic. When we come back, we'll show 142 00:08:24,981 --> 00:08:26,447 you how it's done. 143 00:08:36,553 --> 00:08:40,289 Fairy tales, like the ones in Henry's book, are all about 144 00:08:40,423 --> 00:08:43,359 hidden worlds, secret doors, about magic that seeps in 145 00:08:43,493 --> 00:08:46,495 through the cracks and time travel that's just a matter of 146 00:08:46,630 --> 00:08:50,132 - the right fairy dust. - Well, maybe, there's more to it. 147 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,405 Henry, you are going to be late for school. Let's go. 148 00:08:56,462 --> 00:08:59,007 But as usual, Henry is on to something. 149 00:08:59,142 --> 00:09:04,179 Behind the scenes there is a lot more going on. 150 00:09:04,314 --> 00:09:07,816 Because behind the show's fantastic worlds is an army of 151 00:09:07,951 --> 00:09:10,419 creative minds. They breath life and magical 152 00:09:10,553 --> 00:09:13,880 possibility into every detail. 153 00:09:14,162 --> 00:09:15,997 It's about an attempt to 154 00:09:15,997 --> 00:09:18,981 create a universe, to create what hopefully feels like a full 155 00:09:19,348 --> 00:09:23,351 world so that you can explore it and hopefully for an hour each 156 00:09:23,486 --> 00:09:26,454 - week you can live there. - It's a universe where a 157 00:09:26,589 --> 00:09:30,091 character like Pinocchio can use secret passageways to travel 158 00:09:30,226 --> 00:09:37,899 between magical worlds and the real world. 159 00:09:38,033 --> 00:09:42,604 I think it represents our world, of course, and the 160 00:09:42,738 --> 00:09:46,674 imaginary world that kind of lives in all of our heads and 161 00:09:46,809 --> 00:09:50,912 that we wish we could go to sometimes. 162 00:09:51,046 --> 00:09:54,649 As the stories expanded, so have the places and the people 163 00:09:55,712 --> 00:09:58,595 that we meet that are from these, you know, fantastic 164 00:09:58,780 --> 00:10:00,501 worlds. And visual effects is always 165 00:10:00,501 --> 00:10:03,184 - part of that. - We've created victorian 166 00:10:03,356 --> 00:10:06,525 England, the world of "the wizard of oz," the world of 167 00:10:06,659 --> 00:10:11,358 "Alice In Wonderland." We've been to present-day Boston 168 00:10:11,550 --> 00:10:13,435 and we've been to present-day New York. 169 00:10:13,651 --> 00:10:16,281 Visual effects is a big part of our show to take us to worlds 170 00:10:16,484 --> 00:10:19,491 where we otherwise wouldn't be able to go here in a virtual 171 00:10:19,491 --> 00:10:22,488 environment and try and make them feel as real as we possibly can. 172 00:10:23,831 --> 00:10:24,938 But on Once Upon A Time 173 00:10:24,938 --> 00:10:27,973 sets and stages in and around Vancouver, the making of 174 00:10:27,973 --> 00:10:30,825 fairytale worlds looks more like science fiction. 175 00:10:33,151 --> 00:10:37,171 Until powerful computers fill in the green void in real time to 176 00:10:37,494 --> 00:10:39,786 let the cast and crew preview the full scene on set. 177 00:10:43,096 --> 00:10:45,149 When it's all put together they're walking around in a 178 00:10:45,474 --> 00:10:48,603 virtual set. Which is kind of revolutionary. 179 00:10:48,771 --> 00:10:51,670 I don't know any show on television that does as much of 180 00:10:51,996 --> 00:10:55,042 - that as our show does. - We give the filmmakers, the 181 00:10:55,224 --> 00:10:58,999 directors, and everybody on the set the flexibility that they 182 00:10:59,168 --> 00:11:01,066 need to shoot these virtual environments like they were in 183 00:11:01,341 --> 00:11:04,649 the real place. 184 00:11:04,784 --> 00:11:07,082 Where is the beast that reigns over this castle? 185 00:11:10,321 --> 00:11:11,276 That would be me. 186 00:11:11,878 --> 00:11:14,951 Every script for Once Upon A Time is unexpected. 187 00:11:15,398 --> 00:11:18,730 So you're always finding something or imagining a giant. 188 00:11:20,312 --> 00:11:23,815 When I was fighting a dragon I had to ride this giant pickle. 189 00:11:23,949 --> 00:11:29,187 I was astride that on my own just in the middle of the green 190 00:11:29,321 --> 00:11:31,422 stage with tons of people watching me as it bucked back 191 00:11:31,557 --> 00:11:33,891 and forth. As an actor you can use your 192 00:11:34,026 --> 00:11:36,527 imagination and that's the best part. 193 00:11:36,662 --> 00:11:39,397 The camera was on this giant crane and the crane just felt 194 00:11:39,531 --> 00:11:45,536 like the dragon, you know. It didn't feel outrageous to me 195 00:11:45,671 --> 00:11:49,774 to imagine what was going on. It does feel like the ultimate 196 00:11:49,908 --> 00:11:57,215 game of pretend on a green screen stage. 197 00:11:57,349 --> 00:11:59,884 And like every great game of pretend, you have to trust in 198 00:12:00,018 --> 00:12:07,892 your invisible friend. In this case, the animator. 199 00:12:08,026 --> 00:12:10,620 We have to get to know all the personality details of the 200 00:12:10,662 --> 00:12:12,896 character so a lot of times we'll act it out ourselves. 201 00:12:13,075 --> 00:12:14,907 We'll get into it. We'll build some patterns of 202 00:12:14,907 --> 00:12:17,246 - behavior for them. - We have such an incredible 203 00:12:17,246 --> 00:12:20,216 visual effects team and the fact that we have so much faith in 204 00:12:20,216 --> 00:12:23,495 them and trust in them, makes it a lot easier for us to really go 205 00:12:23,495 --> 00:12:25,958 for it 'cause we know they're gonna build some horrible 206 00:12:25,958 --> 00:12:28,713 creature that will make our flailing look like it makes sense. 207 00:12:39,689 --> 00:12:41,147 But it doesn't take too close a 208 00:12:41,147 --> 00:12:43,517 look behind the scenes of Once Upon A Time and you'll notice 209 00:12:43,517 --> 00:12:48,132 that all the high-tech wizardry relies on age-old tools of stagecraft. 210 00:12:48,266 --> 00:12:51,302 - Oh, there we go. - Creative lighting. 211 00:12:51,436 --> 00:12:55,039 - There we are, nighttime. - Set decoration, smoke, even 212 00:12:55,173 --> 00:12:58,742 - some mobile greenery. - The secret of making it look 213 00:12:58,877 --> 00:13:00,878 alive is to basically make it look lived in. 214 00:13:01,012 --> 00:13:03,547 Make sure there's lots of dirt, lots of debris and make sure 215 00:13:03,682 --> 00:13:07,217 it's not clean because most life isn't. 216 00:13:07,352 --> 00:13:11,885 And then once it's populated with the people and the effects 217 00:13:11,885 --> 00:13:15,444 brings in things like smoke, and then you have animals and things 218 00:13:15,444 --> 00:13:17,078 like that, at least on this particular set, then it all 219 00:13:17,286 --> 00:13:20,265 - starts to come to life. - What I do is essentially 220 00:13:20,265 --> 00:13:23,874 covering things, hiding actors behind trees, digging graves, 221 00:13:23,874 --> 00:13:25,717 anything. You've gotta know your trees. 222 00:13:25,717 --> 00:13:27,513 You've gotta know your plants. You've gotta know what's gonna 223 00:13:27,513 --> 00:13:29,011 happen really quick, fast. Snip, snip, snip. 224 00:13:29,674 --> 00:13:32,743 We learned something when we were shooting the pilot, which 225 00:13:32,877 --> 00:13:35,412 was that the worse the weather conditions are here in 226 00:13:35,547 --> 00:13:38,015 Vancouver, the better it's gonna look on screen. 227 00:13:38,149 --> 00:13:42,453 It's sort of our favorite thing to do is go into the woods 228 00:13:42,587 --> 00:13:45,422 and make it look beautiful. It's going to be wet. 229 00:13:45,557 --> 00:13:49,660 The horses start steaming and the actors' hair looks a little 230 00:13:49,794 --> 00:13:51,995 funny, but you know there's always moments of panic and then 231 00:13:52,130 --> 00:13:55,499 it kind of all comes together. The fog, the mist, the 232 00:13:55,633 --> 00:13:59,736 clouds, that's a particular texture and a particular beauty 233 00:13:59,871 --> 00:14:04,007 that you can't get in a man-made environment and you can't get 234 00:14:04,142 --> 00:14:07,711 through visual effects and you can't get in L.A. 235 00:14:07,845 --> 00:14:11,915 When we get the concept draft, it's their dream. 236 00:14:12,050 --> 00:14:17,254 There may be two dragons, there may be a battle somewhere, there 237 00:14:17,388 --> 00:14:19,974 may be lions and tigers and then from there we budget and we all 238 00:14:19,974 --> 00:14:21,798 talk about how can we make that happen. 239 00:14:22,445 --> 00:14:28,031 We do 22 episodes a year, and it is this insane conveyor belt 240 00:14:28,166 --> 00:14:30,534 - that kind of never stops. - Not only does all magic have 241 00:14:30,668 --> 00:14:33,904 a price, but for Once Upon A Time," it needs to be filmed in 242 00:14:34,038 --> 00:14:36,665 - just eight days. - We're that good. 243 00:14:36,665 --> 00:14:40,043 We have to be. We've got a lot to shoot, like 244 00:14:40,178 --> 00:14:43,246 - riding a gigantic green pickle. - It's a mad scramble. 245 00:14:43,381 --> 00:14:47,351 It's the most challenging thing about the show, the absolutely 246 00:14:47,351 --> 00:14:50,551 - short amount of time. - We bring it down to what 247 00:14:50,551 --> 00:14:52,222 works and makes the story still real. 248 00:14:52,356 --> 00:14:55,315 That's the challenge of it all. You go, "okay, okay, now it's 249 00:14:55,315 --> 00:14:58,699 one dragon. And maybe it's just a cat and 250 00:14:58,699 --> 00:15:02,076 not a lion. And maybe it's not a castle but a village." 251 00:15:02,076 --> 00:15:04,411 We need a herd of angry black rhinos. 252 00:15:05,162 --> 00:15:06,827 - Just like going right through. - Yeah. 253 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:12,067 Sometimes Once Upon A Time's success in transporting 254 00:15:12,067 --> 00:15:15,779 an audience to fantastic lands week after week after week 255 00:15:15,971 --> 00:15:17,819 starts to look a bit like magic itself. 256 00:15:21,302 --> 00:15:22,878 We wanted to write a show for believers. 257 00:15:23,028 --> 00:15:26,410 You know, not everyone believes in magic, but if you do, we're the show for you. 258 00:15:27,818 --> 00:15:28,825 Real page-Turner, right? 259 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:33,220 - And next... - And on its 28th birthday, 260 00:15:34,408 --> 00:15:35,676 the child will return. 261 00:15:38,364 --> 00:15:41,037 It was our way of trying to create our own fairytale character. 262 00:15:41,171 --> 00:15:44,827 - Like a new one. - And the final battle will begin. 263 00:15:45,488 --> 00:15:46,006 Stick around. 264 00:15:46,006 --> 00:15:50,313 - We'll tell you all about it. - The curse, I think you broke it! 265 00:15:58,861 --> 00:16:02,535 > The queen has created a powerful curse. 266 00:16:02,689 --> 00:16:05,673 - No more happy endings. - What can we do? 267 00:16:06,195 --> 00:16:10,529 That little thing growing inside your belly... 268 00:16:10,664 --> 00:16:13,637 like I said, everyone in Storybrooke has a history. 269 00:16:15,873 --> 00:16:20,131 The child will return and the final battle will begin. 270 00:16:21,775 --> 00:16:25,945 - This is Emma's. - In a way, it was our way of 271 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:29,115 trying to create our own fairy tale character, like a new one. 272 00:16:29,249 --> 00:16:30,250 Find us! 273 00:16:33,231 --> 00:16:34,520 And put it in the context of 274 00:16:34,521 --> 00:16:36,489 all these stories we grew up with and loved. 275 00:16:36,623 --> 00:16:39,158 Except growing up in 20th century America, this fairytale 276 00:16:39,292 --> 00:16:42,286 princess has been a runaway from foster care, gone to prison for 277 00:16:42,286 --> 00:16:44,815 theft, had a baby but gave him up for adoption and doesn't know 278 00:16:44,815 --> 00:16:46,155 anything about her parents. 279 00:16:57,436 --> 00:16:58,106 Can I help you? 280 00:16:58,540 --> 00:17:02,677 - Are you Emma Swan? - Yeah. 281 00:17:02,811 --> 00:17:03,825 - Who are you? - My name's Henry. 282 00:17:03,974 --> 00:17:08,353 I'm your son. Ten years ago, did you give up a 283 00:17:08,353 --> 00:17:10,616 baby for adoption? That was me. 284 00:17:11,616 --> 00:17:15,219 Emma's always, in a sense, I think, represented the audience 285 00:17:15,419 --> 00:17:17,747 - a little bit. - Time is frozen here. 286 00:17:18,357 --> 00:17:21,006 - Excuse me? - The Evil Queen did it with her curse. 287 00:17:21,411 --> 00:17:22,283 She's always been so 288 00:17:22,283 --> 00:17:24,207 skeptical about everything and she's always taking in 289 00:17:24,207 --> 00:17:26,582 everything for the first time the same way the audience would 290 00:17:26,582 --> 00:17:29,559 - be watching the show. - The Evil Queen sent a bunch 291 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:33,399 - of fairytale characters here? - Yeah, and now they're trapped. 292 00:17:33,601 --> 00:17:35,321 So I've had the pleasure of 293 00:17:35,321 --> 00:17:38,547 being able to react to things like, they're crazy. 294 00:17:38,547 --> 00:17:40,788 - It's true. - Then why doesn't everyone just leave? 295 00:17:41,151 --> 00:17:41,689 They can't. 296 00:17:41,689 --> 00:17:45,216 - If they try, bad things happen. - Henry! 297 00:17:46,512 --> 00:17:48,484 - What are you doing here? - Oftentimes we start with a 298 00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:50,637 concept. So in the pilot, for example, 299 00:17:51,038 --> 00:17:55,455 Emma is coming to town. We want this town to be down on 300 00:17:55,455 --> 00:17:59,128 its luck and we want Emma to be the shot of color that comes in 301 00:17:59,227 --> 00:18:01,799 and that leads to the yellow bug, and that leads to the red 302 00:18:01,799 --> 00:18:03,767 jacket, and all these other kind of ideas. 303 00:18:04,368 --> 00:18:07,242 - He doesn't seem cursed to me. - They don't remember who they are. 304 00:18:09,282 --> 00:18:11,476 Convenient. All right. I'll play. 305 00:18:11,665 --> 00:18:13,599 - Who's he supposed to be? - Jiminy Cricket. 306 00:18:13,780 --> 00:18:15,839 Right, the lying thing. I thought your nose grew a little bit. 307 00:18:16,210 --> 00:18:17,278 I'm not Pinocchio. 308 00:18:18,130 --> 00:18:20,327 Of course you're not, because that would be ridiculous. 309 00:18:21,163 --> 00:18:24,481 Of course, this story, like all fairy tales, needed a 310 00:18:24,481 --> 00:18:27,418 believer. In this case, Emma's long-lost 311 00:18:27,418 --> 00:18:29,801 son, Henry. But when we meet him, he's been 312 00:18:29,801 --> 00:18:32,193 living among the fairytale folk of Storybrooke. 313 00:18:32,193 --> 00:18:36,941 Adopted by the mayor, Regina Aka, the Evil Queen. 314 00:18:39,704 --> 00:18:41,989 The missing pages, where are they? 315 00:18:44,305 --> 00:18:46,103 It's an old book, stuff's missing. 316 00:18:46,556 --> 00:18:48,603 - What do you care? - I care because you think I'm 317 00:18:48,603 --> 00:18:51,801 - some Evil Queen. - Jared Gilmore plays Henry, 318 00:18:52,773 --> 00:18:56,540 the boy who has found a book of Fairy Tales he believes explains everything. 319 00:18:57,082 --> 00:18:58,661 Okay, this might take a 320 00:18:59,328 --> 00:19:02,556 while. Henry is the son of Emma and 321 00:19:02,556 --> 00:19:06,131 Neal. And Emma is the daughter of 322 00:19:06,131 --> 00:19:09,481 Snow White and Prince Charming. And Neal is the son of 323 00:19:10,241 --> 00:19:12,518 Rumplestiltskin. Rumplestiltskin is of course his 324 00:19:12,518 --> 00:19:18,378 real grandpa. And Belle is kind of his other grandmother. 325 00:19:27,946 --> 00:19:29,163 You left this in my car. 326 00:19:31,013 --> 00:19:33,654 No one can really imagine what it means to have the 327 00:19:33,654 --> 00:19:36,712 responsibility of saving people's happy endings, or being 328 00:19:36,712 --> 00:19:38,413 responsible for someone's happiness. 329 00:19:38,711 --> 00:19:40,775 It's an interesting pressure that I think that people put on 330 00:19:40,775 --> 00:19:43,216 - themselves in real life. - I was hoping when I brought 331 00:19:43,216 --> 00:19:45,818 you back things would change here, that the final battle 332 00:19:45,818 --> 00:19:48,425 - would begin. - I'm not fighting any battles, kid. 333 00:19:48,425 --> 00:19:50,175 Yes, you are. 334 00:19:50,744 --> 00:19:52,310 You're here because it's your destiny. 335 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:54,051 You're gonna bring back the happy endings. 336 00:19:54,051 --> 00:19:55,653 Come on, cut it with the book crap. 337 00:19:55,653 --> 00:19:58,524 - It's enough already. - I don't know that Emma will 338 00:19:58,524 --> 00:20:00,523 ever fully embrace the idea of being a savior. 339 00:20:00,523 --> 00:20:04,313 - I have to go. - Go, you mean leave 340 00:20:04,313 --> 00:20:06,127 - Storybrooke? - Yeah. 341 00:20:06,551 --> 00:20:08,111 I spoke to Regina. We made a deal. 342 00:20:08,111 --> 00:20:11,249 I'm still going to be able to see you, just not every day. 343 00:20:11,628 --> 00:20:14,552 No. No, you can't trust her! 344 00:20:15,121 --> 00:20:20,275 - Henry, this isn't a story. - Of course, everything changes 345 00:20:20,275 --> 00:20:23,064 when Henry eats the poisoned apple turnover. 346 00:20:24,032 --> 00:20:25,953 - Get it? - You can't eat that. 347 00:20:25,953 --> 00:20:27,149 - It's poison. - What? 348 00:20:27,888 --> 00:20:30,792 Don't you see the deal? It was all a trick to get you to 349 00:20:30,792 --> 00:20:33,628 eat that. To get rid of the savior. 350 00:20:33,834 --> 00:20:38,781 You may not believe in the curse or in me, but I believe in you. 351 00:20:45,976 --> 00:20:48,058 See? Now, do you wanna have some ice 352 00:20:48,058 --> 00:20:48,627 cream with that? About... 353 00:20:48,627 --> 00:20:49,931 and we can go back to talking about... 354 00:20:51,244 --> 00:20:54,953 Henry? Henry! 355 00:20:55,982 --> 00:20:59,216 The sequence in the hospital where Emma's realizing she needs 356 00:20:59,216 --> 00:21:02,476 to do whatever it takes to save her son and then ultimately 357 00:21:02,476 --> 00:21:05,795 thinking that there is nothing she can do, and when she goes to 358 00:21:05,795 --> 00:21:08,795 kiss him to say good-bye, it totally takes a new turn on true 359 00:21:08,795 --> 00:21:11,145 - love's kiss. - I love you, Henry. 360 00:21:17,509 --> 00:21:19,493 Forever we've been raised with these ideas of fairy tales 361 00:21:19,635 --> 00:21:23,238 where true love's kiss is Snow White and her prince, and 362 00:21:23,372 --> 00:21:25,514 Cinderella and her prince, and sleeping beauty and her prince, 363 00:21:25,514 --> 00:21:28,510 and this show really is about family. 364 00:21:28,644 --> 00:21:32,247 And this was such a big moment to express to our audience that 365 00:21:32,381 --> 00:21:35,417 true love comes in many forms, that Emma's true love's kiss 366 00:21:35,551 --> 00:21:37,552 with her son was going to save his life. 367 00:21:37,687 --> 00:21:47,062 I love you too. You saved me. 368 00:21:47,196 --> 00:21:48,921 What's going on? 369 00:21:50,718 --> 00:21:51,701 The curse. 370 00:21:53,035 --> 00:21:54,992 I think you broke it. 371 00:21:59,619 --> 00:22:00,975 What could possibly go wrong? 372 00:22:00,976 --> 00:22:06,047 - What is that? - Wait for it. 373 00:22:27,949 --> 00:22:29,884 - The curse... it's broken? - It appears so. 374 00:22:30,018 --> 00:22:32,003 So what do we do now? 375 00:22:34,322 --> 00:22:35,435 At the end of our first 376 00:22:35,435 --> 00:22:37,940 - season, the curse is broken. - No, no! 377 00:22:39,811 --> 00:22:42,930 If I were you, your majesty, I'd find a place to hide. 378 00:22:43,064 --> 00:22:44,465 The writers kind of sprung that one us. 379 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:48,606 I mean, curses do break, but usually that's the end of the story. 380 00:22:48,856 --> 00:22:49,926 That was an unexpected 381 00:22:49,926 --> 00:22:50,686 surprise. We thought that the curse would 382 00:22:50,686 --> 00:22:51,969 be broken at the end of the entire series. 383 00:22:53,969 --> 00:22:55,462 If the curse is broken, why didn't we go back? 384 00:22:55,462 --> 00:22:57,227 Because there's nothing to go back to. 385 00:22:59,228 --> 00:23:02,148 - That land is gone. - And of course the people of 386 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:04,350 Storybrooke can't really go back to who they were before. 387 00:23:04,918 --> 00:23:07,792 A lot happened to those characters when they didn't know 388 00:23:07,792 --> 00:23:10,260 who they were. And that changed them. 389 00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:13,930 And someone else had changed. Sure, she's still vengeful 390 00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:15,404 - and violent... - I should have killed you when 391 00:23:15,404 --> 00:23:17,736 I could. And now, I can. 392 00:23:19,062 --> 00:23:20,489 With a nasty penchant for ripping out hearts. 393 00:23:20,730 --> 00:23:22,796 But pure evil is just so middle ages. 394 00:23:23,401 --> 00:23:27,599 - Your choice. - Regina is a villain for our times. 395 00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:29,744 Well, there you go. 396 00:23:30,554 --> 00:23:33,756 - You see where good gets you? - For us, the Evil Queen wasn't 397 00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:35,558 just evil. She was tortured. 398 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,929 - Rotten to the core. - And so like a female 399 00:23:40,063 --> 00:23:43,432 - Tony soprano... - I just wanted to be loved. 400 00:23:43,567 --> 00:23:46,635 - I just wanted to win for once! - Over the next three seasons, 401 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:50,239 Regina would become a gangster we all couldn't help but love. 402 00:23:50,373 --> 00:23:52,841 I love it. It's a ton of fun. 403 00:23:52,976 --> 00:23:58,983 It's been a joy to see her progression from being this evil queen 404 00:23:59,891 --> 00:24:01,778 to now a semi-hero. 405 00:24:02,595 --> 00:24:06,288 And the transformation of her character is also stitched into her costumes. 406 00:24:06,423 --> 00:24:08,891 Would you like something to drink? 407 00:24:09,025 --> 00:24:10,459 Do I look like I need a drink? 408 00:24:10,593 --> 00:24:15,065 Here is another Evil Queen. This is what we call a "brouse." 409 00:24:15,521 --> 00:24:20,402 It is a combination bra-blouse that goes underneath this. 410 00:24:20,987 --> 00:24:24,713 Now this is Evil Queen going to battle. 411 00:24:24,713 --> 00:24:27,910 - We cannot defeat them. - Do not tell me what we can or can't do. 412 00:24:28,244 --> 00:24:30,583 As she started to become this 413 00:24:30,583 --> 00:24:33,415 Evil Queen, the costumes got a little more elaborate and they 414 00:24:33,550 --> 00:24:35,920 - got bigger. - When she's full-on evil, 415 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,087 she's just full-on evil. When she's a seductress... 416 00:24:39,222 --> 00:24:42,342 You're a tortured one, aren't you, huntsman? 417 00:24:42,342 --> 00:24:46,428 We gave her form-fitting, velvet dresses, very sexy. 418 00:24:46,563 --> 00:24:49,742 - And she wore them very well. - Regina, I'm not afraid of you. 419 00:24:51,015 --> 00:24:54,710 But you really, really should be 420 00:24:54,933 --> 00:24:57,734 As Regina started to sort of 421 00:24:57,734 --> 00:25:02,837 cross over into this heroic human being, the challenges for 422 00:25:02,837 --> 00:25:06,947 her were more like, this doesn't feel comfortable. 423 00:25:07,835 --> 00:25:12,968 It's like she's almost kind of putting on someone else's suit 424 00:25:12,968 --> 00:25:15,485 and trying it on for the first time and it's like, it doesn't 425 00:25:15,485 --> 00:25:17,912 - quite fit. - What the hell am I wearing? 426 00:25:20,863 --> 00:25:24,422 Her initial instinct is to do what she's always done, which is 427 00:25:24,619 --> 00:25:28,261 - use magic. - I've missed you. 428 00:25:28,261 --> 00:25:30,919 What we like to explore is characters who do the wrong 429 00:25:30,919 --> 00:25:33,481 thing, realize they have done the wrong thing and have to 430 00:25:33,648 --> 00:25:35,963 figure out how to live with that, how to either try to 431 00:25:36,085 --> 00:25:39,208 redeem themselves or try to justify what they've done. 432 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:47,356 I love you, Henry. More than anything. 433 00:25:47,703 --> 00:25:50,649 I think my heart is the part of me that's in Regina. 434 00:25:51,612 --> 00:25:53,654 I have a big heart. I do. 435 00:25:53,852 --> 00:25:56,232 At least that's what everyone tells me, so I believe them. 436 00:25:57,491 --> 00:26:01,499 My relationship with Jared, when we first met, we actually met in 437 00:26:01,687 --> 00:26:06,626 the audition room and I looked at him and I said, "you're gonna 438 00:26:06,892 --> 00:26:10,922 play my son." And I just knew that he was 439 00:26:11,112 --> 00:26:14,768 gonna get the part, and I didn't even know if I had gotten the 440 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:17,972 part yet, but I knew he was gonna get it. 441 00:26:18,156 --> 00:26:19,553 You said you wanted to change. 442 00:26:21,159 --> 00:26:23,270 - To be better. - It's the evolution of these 443 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,196 characters that people can relate to and what we've seen 444 00:26:27,336 --> 00:26:29,934 with her and this transformation gives a lot of people hope. 445 00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:36,098 That you don't have to stay how you are, that you have a choice. 446 00:26:37,706 --> 00:26:39,024 She saved you. She saved both of you. 447 00:26:40,252 --> 00:26:42,618 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 448 00:26:44,009 --> 00:26:47,008 This show is about hope. This show is about love. 449 00:26:47,638 --> 00:26:51,208 This show is about family, and everyone can relate to that. 450 00:26:51,901 --> 00:26:53,427 - Welcome back. - For the Once Upon A Time 451 00:26:53,427 --> 00:26:56,909 writers, operation nuanced villain is a success. 452 00:26:57,377 --> 00:27:01,033 And the greatest thing ever for us was season two, all the 453 00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:05,399 heroes left to go celebrate Emma and Mary Margaret's return and 454 00:27:05,567 --> 00:27:08,823 no one invited the Evil Queen. She had just spent, you know, 455 00:27:08,962 --> 00:27:11,810 30 episodes trying to kill them, cast curses, we saw the 456 00:27:12,061 --> 00:27:15,288 horribleness she did and the audience was like, "how they 457 00:27:15,478 --> 00:27:17,972 could not invite her?" And we thought, that's the 458 00:27:18,202 --> 00:27:20,212 victory. People love the queen. 459 00:27:21,089 --> 00:27:24,231 - People want redemption. - Sorry I'm late. 460 00:27:24,831 --> 00:27:26,947 We don't want evil people to just be evil. 461 00:27:27,339 --> 00:27:29,762 It's not interesting. What's interesting for us is the 462 00:27:30,001 --> 00:27:33,810 - struggle to be good. - Stop now. 463 00:27:34,209 --> 00:27:38,023 - We're not gonna let you succeed. - What are you doing? 464 00:27:38,367 --> 00:27:39,911 Changing. 465 00:27:42,383 --> 00:27:43,477 Heroes don't kill. 466 00:27:43,608 --> 00:27:46,743 - So now you're a hero. - Today I am. 467 00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:50,974 It turns out even Evil Queens can be loved, and not just by fans 468 00:27:51,522 --> 00:27:52,139 Regina. 469 00:27:52,139 --> 00:27:56,081 - I choose you. - What's interesting is, the 470 00:27:56,081 --> 00:28:00,008 audience from what I've seen in Twitter or social network, it's 471 00:28:00,008 --> 00:28:02,779 amazing that the Evil Queen was such an evil character that 472 00:28:02,779 --> 00:28:05,806 killed people and was... you know... the villain. 473 00:28:06,232 --> 00:28:10,102 And people love her so much that they're really following that journey. 474 00:28:15,868 --> 00:28:17,662 I guess I'd be lying if I didn't 475 00:28:17,662 --> 00:28:20,762 say I kind of root for Robin and Regina to end up together. 476 00:28:20,762 --> 00:28:22,492 But I didn't say that. > 477 00:28:25,942 --> 00:28:27,892 When we come back, love... 478 00:28:28,357 --> 00:28:29,489 Storybrooke style. 479 00:28:41,489 --> 00:28:45,258 Ah, fairytale romance. You just know from the beginning 480 00:28:45,393 --> 00:28:48,962 the prince and the princess were meant to be together. 481 00:28:49,096 --> 00:28:50,721 - Well, that's the problem. - Yeah. 482 00:28:50,912 --> 00:28:54,490 Because in this fairytale, it's not like that most of the time. 483 00:28:54,697 --> 00:28:57,387 Come on, the one thing that makes everyone crazy is love. 484 00:28:57,587 --> 00:28:59,930 True. But as they say, before you meet 485 00:28:59,930 --> 00:29:02,654 the handsome prince, you've got to kiss a lot of... 486 00:29:02,654 --> 00:29:03,705 You know. 487 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:05,326 Really? 488 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,252 Okay I'll bet the rest of you 489 00:29:07,252 --> 00:29:10,672 totally saw that coming. But I, honestly, did not. 490 00:29:11,137 --> 00:29:14,646 I put it in my contract. I said must kiss numerous 491 00:29:14,646 --> 00:29:16,337 gorgeous men, consistently. 492 00:29:17,702 --> 00:29:18,876 Love is in a lot of ways the 493 00:29:18,876 --> 00:29:22,235 franchise of the show because that is what all the characters 494 00:29:22,471 --> 00:29:24,419 - are looking for. - And it was really important 495 00:29:24,602 --> 00:29:28,146 for us to find a way to kind of do a little twist on that. 496 00:29:29,383 --> 00:29:31,562 Those twists start to take shape in the writers' room. 497 00:29:32,133 --> 00:29:34,843 What about Emma and hook. What to do want to do in terms 498 00:29:35,033 --> 00:29:36,894 - of their relationship? - Kill them. 499 00:29:40,223 --> 00:29:43,045 Please, you couldn't handle it. 500 00:29:43,481 --> 00:29:46,735 Hook sees an element of himself in Emma. 501 00:29:46,735 --> 00:29:50,726 She's lost and she was a thief and, you know, but he has a real 502 00:29:50,726 --> 00:29:52,517 connection with her. And that's a huge thing for 503 00:29:52,517 --> 00:29:56,384 Captain Hook to lay his cards out on the table emotionally. 504 00:29:56,384 --> 00:29:57,569 Emma is a strong, smart survivor. 505 00:29:58,041 --> 00:30:01,688 Hook's a strong, smart survivor. We're pairing men and women that 506 00:30:02,401 --> 00:30:07,591 are a match in that sense and seeing the chemistry and the 507 00:30:07,591 --> 00:30:09,470 excitement. And I really appreciate the way 508 00:30:09,666 --> 00:30:11,837 - the writers have done this. - We take these characters, we 509 00:30:11,998 --> 00:30:14,008 bring them in here. We play, we mash them around. 510 00:30:14,329 --> 00:30:16,770 It's also a sense of, you know, what can we get away with? 511 00:30:16,939 --> 00:30:19,384 - Hook, we talked Regina. - Let's pair him up with Belle. 512 00:30:20,318 --> 00:30:24,016 And she is trying to make up for not seeing that gold was 513 00:30:24,226 --> 00:30:27,022 manipulating everything sooner and they can have a journey 514 00:30:27,186 --> 00:30:30,442 - together to kind of some closure. - That's good because you have 515 00:30:30,442 --> 00:30:34,121 the two people that gold, you know, kind of ruined both their hearts. 516 00:30:36,888 --> 00:30:39,249 Mr. Gold, aka Rumplestiltskin, 517 00:30:39,249 --> 00:30:42,090 is definitely the guy that no online algorithm 518 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:47,377 would match with anyone. Well, except the Eddy and Adam 519 00:30:47,377 --> 00:30:49,953 - algorithm. - For us, what was really fun 520 00:30:49,953 --> 00:30:52,919 about this was saying, well, what if the beast from Beauty and The Beast 521 00:30:52,919 --> 00:30:54,385 was actually Rumplestiltskin? 522 00:30:56,912 --> 00:30:59,019 The Beast's girlfriend, of course, is Belle. 523 00:31:00,077 --> 00:31:02,822 When we meet her in Storybrooke, she's locked up for insanity. 524 00:31:02,993 --> 00:31:06,135 And yes, she is in love with a conniving, dark lizard man who 525 00:31:06,275 --> 00:31:08,637 even scares Regina. But she's not crazy. 526 00:31:08,927 --> 00:31:13,040 - Just crazy in love. - Belle, being this incredibly 527 00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:16,812 intelligent woman, she's the only one thus far who's able to 528 00:31:16,812 --> 00:31:20,223 sort of see beneath the surface and see the real man beneath 529 00:31:20,363 --> 00:31:22,576 Rumple. And we're really excited to let 530 00:31:22,732 --> 00:31:24,915 the audience see another layer and pull back another layer in 531 00:31:25,086 --> 00:31:26,819 - that character. - I'll sit down here. 532 00:31:27,056 --> 00:31:29,720 Before shooting a pivotal scene, eddy and Adam like to go 533 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,702 through it with the actor. This is Émilie de Ravin, who 534 00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:35,192 - plays Belle. - She's really, really, trying 535 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,618 - to get through to him. - That's exactly right, and 536 00:31:37,788 --> 00:31:40,304 that's why he doesn't believe that somebody like you would 537 00:31:40,486 --> 00:31:42,276 ever love him. And that's what you need to 538 00:31:42,502 --> 00:31:43,782 - throw in his face. - Or anyone. 539 00:31:43,961 --> 00:31:45,757 That is where I am headed and still kind of, obviously, 540 00:31:45,978 --> 00:31:50,058 developing for the next, what, three days before I go up there. 541 00:31:51,348 --> 00:31:53,998 Very cool. We're excited to see you bring her to life. 542 00:31:56,772 --> 00:31:58,103 What's happening is, we are 543 00:31:58,297 --> 00:32:00,395 turning something from straight fairytale to a little more 544 00:32:00,533 --> 00:32:02,582 modern edgy kind of situation. 545 00:32:05,322 --> 00:32:08,736 For us originally, Rumplestiltskin was Mick Jagger and Keith Richards rolled into 546 00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:11,441 one. We wanted that great rock star 547 00:32:11,441 --> 00:32:14,808 kind of appeal to him, and that danger, that sexiness. 548 00:32:15,303 --> 00:32:17,963 And eddy Kitsis, our producer said, "make him a rock star." 549 00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:21,810 And that's what we did. It was all crocodile skins and 550 00:32:22,078 --> 00:32:27,670 quite elaborate and very time-consuming and all of a 551 00:32:27,670 --> 00:32:29,034 sudden he became a rock star. 552 00:32:30,754 --> 00:32:31,937 Visual 2 golf take one. 553 00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:36,231 "Skin deep" is quite a special episode for myself and, 554 00:32:36,431 --> 00:32:38,935 - I think, for Emilie. - So I have had a couple of 555 00:32:39,108 --> 00:32:43,223 months to look around, you know, and upstairs there is 556 00:32:43,597 --> 00:32:47,745 clothing... small, as if for a child. 557 00:32:50,890 --> 00:32:53,600 Was it yours? Or was there a son? 558 00:32:55,882 --> 00:33:00,425 You really saw another side to Rumplestiltskin... that he 559 00:33:00,621 --> 00:33:03,253 was lonely. It was kind of representative of 560 00:33:03,459 --> 00:33:07,058 everyone's got a chance at love and no matter how horrible or 561 00:33:07,447 --> 00:33:10,875 repugnant they may be, and this was Rumplestiltskin's chance right there. 562 00:33:17,618 --> 00:33:18,390 Thank you. 563 00:33:18,567 --> 00:33:20,615 He caught her from the curtains. 564 00:33:20,826 --> 00:33:25,759 It was that moment of him having this physical intimacy with 565 00:33:26,277 --> 00:33:31,569 someone that Belle realized that she is right, there's more in there. 566 00:33:37,507 --> 00:33:38,320 Cut. 567 00:33:40,275 --> 00:33:43,421 He puts up these faces, these many faces, through his voices 568 00:33:43,687 --> 00:33:45,357 and his idiosyncrasies. 569 00:33:47,521 --> 00:33:48,845 And the only person able to 570 00:33:48,845 --> 00:33:52,236 - break through that was Belle. - How you can see the man 571 00:33:52,236 --> 00:33:56,483 behind the monster, I will never know. 572 00:33:58,369 --> 00:34:01,352 I guess what I'm able to bring to gold, particularly, is 573 00:34:02,311 --> 00:34:04,725 to make you kind of wonder whether you like this guy or 574 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:06,971 not. And that's hopefully what I've 575 00:34:06,971 --> 00:34:08,341 been able to do over the last four years. 576 00:34:11,376 --> 00:34:14,764 Rumple, hey, let's go! This is what he wants. 577 00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:19,752 - He has to die, Belle. - No, he doesn't! 578 00:34:21,313 --> 00:34:24,315 There is still good in you. Please show me that I am not wrong 579 00:34:29,507 --> 00:34:32,041 I don't think Rumplestiltskin's a bad guy. I think he's struggling. 580 00:34:32,041 --> 00:34:34,706 I think he's like an addict struggling with an addiction. 581 00:34:34,706 --> 00:34:40,253 He's... just got himself in this deep, dark hole of being 582 00:34:40,413 --> 00:34:46,760 - addicted to power and magic. - But as anyone who's ever 583 00:34:46,966 --> 00:34:50,700 loved a fairy tale knows, magic always comes with a price. 584 00:34:54,933 --> 00:34:58,527 Please, put the dagger down and let me explain. 585 00:34:59,345 --> 00:35:01,270 I thought I saw something in you. 586 00:35:02,182 --> 00:35:06,358 Something good. Your true love is your power. 587 00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:09,367 I think there's a lot of strength that's been brought out 588 00:35:09,865 --> 00:35:11,683 in Belle. She's always, obviously, been a 589 00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:16,308 strong individual but from their relationship, dealing with his 590 00:35:17,594 --> 00:35:21,568 sort of ups and downs with the dark side, the light side, the 591 00:35:21,768 --> 00:35:25,711 struggles, has even built her into a stronger woman. 592 00:35:26,337 --> 00:35:27,944 - Please. - No! 593 00:35:28,608 --> 00:35:34,762 Rumplestiltskin, I command you to leave Storybrooke. 594 00:35:35,409 --> 00:35:36,866 Belle, no. Please. 595 00:35:37,895 --> 00:35:40,357 - I won't be able to come back. - I know. 596 00:35:42,831 --> 00:35:45,974 - I don't want to lose you. - You already have. 597 00:35:46,897 --> 00:35:49,032 I'm afraid. Belle! 598 00:35:55,457 --> 00:35:58,399 But don't give up on us. Because you know how it is here. 599 00:35:59,570 --> 00:36:04,252 - Nothing ever ends. - So next, let's see if we can 600 00:36:04,606 --> 00:36:07,411 shake some secrets out of eddy and Adam about what's coming up. 601 00:36:07,894 --> 00:36:10,056 Will you show Regina's death? Kidding! 602 00:36:21,112 --> 00:36:24,507 By now we know that in Storybrooke, true love's kiss comes with a twist. 603 00:36:26,749 --> 00:36:27,803 Mom! 604 00:36:28,006 --> 00:36:31,870 And no matter if you're good or evil, it all comes down to family. 605 00:36:33,997 --> 00:36:35,357 At the end of the day, the show is 606 00:36:35,357 --> 00:36:38,322 really about this family and them finding love with each other. 607 00:36:39,370 --> 00:36:40,376 What are you doing? 608 00:36:40,934 --> 00:36:43,276 - I'm finding my son! - I think because the 609 00:36:43,276 --> 00:36:47,356 underlying message is hope and family and what it means to be a 610 00:36:47,594 --> 00:36:49,392 - family that has hope. - Hey, kid. 611 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,532 Do you want to meet your new Uncle? 612 00:36:51,993 --> 00:36:54,970 It's nice to see that that's translating to the audience and 613 00:36:55,386 --> 00:36:57,615 that they're really taking it to heart and that they're then 614 00:36:57,804 --> 00:37:00,761 pouring it back toward us in their excitement over it. 615 00:37:01,211 --> 00:37:02,249 - Mom! - Stop! 616 00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:03,747 Please! Don't come any closer! 617 00:37:03,865 --> 00:37:05,945 Of course, all families have problems. 618 00:37:06,146 --> 00:37:08,263 For you, maybe it's mortgages or report cards. 619 00:37:08,648 --> 00:37:13,451 For us, it's curses and witches and fairies and that version of things. 620 00:37:13,451 --> 00:37:15,768 Do not wake my baby! 621 00:37:16,003 --> 00:37:18,457 And if you think your family get-togethers are complicated, 622 00:37:20,076 --> 00:37:21,158 come by our place. 623 00:37:22,885 --> 00:37:26,191 It's, you know, our own great dysfunctional family. 624 00:37:27,474 --> 00:37:29,736 Look, I know that we were under the Snow Queen's curse. 625 00:37:29,736 --> 00:37:31,276 We are under the curse. 626 00:37:31,276 --> 00:37:33,223 Charming and snow took it one step further. 627 00:37:34,271 --> 00:37:36,343 They fell in love on the set and now have a baby... 628 00:37:36,564 --> 00:37:42,175 - a family of their own. - Real life, you know... you 629 00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:44,609 - know, of course, it bleeds over. - He's my best friend. 630 00:37:45,229 --> 00:37:50,219 I wasn't, you know, looking to fall for one of my co-stars and 631 00:37:50,618 --> 00:37:53,258 we definitely had those talks early on about like, "but how 632 00:37:53,427 --> 00:37:58,018 does this affect work?" We probably annoy everybody to death. 633 00:38:00,029 --> 00:38:02,552 So what would make the perfect day for Prince Charming? 634 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,048 Where he doesn't have to deal 635 00:38:05,048 --> 00:38:09,190 with dragons and witches, and curses and spells, where he can 636 00:38:09,528 --> 00:38:11,315 live out his life with his family. 637 00:38:12,597 --> 00:38:14,487 You wanna come in and have coffee? 638 00:38:15,243 --> 00:38:18,075 I could write a happy ending for hook, it would be that he 639 00:38:18,315 --> 00:38:21,837 could sit at home, with Emma, and drink rum. 640 00:38:25,549 --> 00:38:27,051 But you know that's not gonna happen. 641 00:38:29,611 --> 00:38:32,211 So, eddy and Adam, what you got for us? 642 00:38:34,623 --> 00:38:36,592 There are some new villains who are rearing their heads. 643 00:38:37,828 --> 00:38:40,030 Okay, villains. Something new and different. 644 00:38:41,234 --> 00:38:43,082 Cruella! I thought I caught a whiff of 645 00:38:43,377 --> 00:38:44,671 desperation and gin. 646 00:38:45,682 --> 00:38:46,355 What else? 647 00:38:48,412 --> 00:38:50,495 Now that we're in season four, we're gonna find out new 648 00:38:50,495 --> 00:38:53,070 secrets about Snow White and Charming's past. 649 00:38:53,816 --> 00:38:56,063 And, of course, you know, we're gonna wonder 650 00:38:56,063 --> 00:38:57,812 if a villain can get a happy ending. 651 00:39:00,786 --> 00:39:01,800 So, stick around. 652 00:39:02,401 --> 00:39:03,597 You're about to find out. 653 00:39:04,146 --> 00:39:05,753 Once Upon A Time. 654 00:39:06,663 --> 00:39:08,802 Synced and Corrected by Nsiko www.Addic7ed.com