On April 4, 1991,
I left to go to the Good Guys store.
Out of my peripheral vision,
I see these guys.
They start putting ski masks on.
Okay, everybody. We come here to die.
The one gunman said, "Well, let's just shoot someone
and throw them out
and let them know we meet business."
No! Please don't!
Sit down! Hurry up!
Lock the door!
People only take so much
before they start to kind of snap.
Prepared to die, Al?
They talked for almost nine hours,
but the California hostage drama finally ended with gunfire
on live television.
The Good Guys Electronic Store hostage rescue
is the largest hostage rescue
in the history of the United States.
At any moment,
you could lose control of this whole thing,
and we could have just an astronomical catastrophe.
In An Instant 1x05 "Bad Guys At The Good Guys"
Sync & corrections by Alice www.addic7ed.com
It is the largest number of people ever taken hostage
in an incident in civilian life in this country.
Good morning, Sacramento.
It's April 4, 1991.
The high today will be 77 degrees and sunny.
It was a typical, beautiful spring day
in California.
Headed off to work really with no thoughts
that it was anything other than just a —
Just a normal, ordinary day.
Everything here is 10% off.
This right here, model 2330 — Absolutely incredible product.
I was 27 years old.
I sold electronics for the Good Guys Audio,
an electronic store in California mostly.
It was regional.
We sold everything you can think of —
TVs, home audio, personal stereos.
If it was a gadget that beeped
or — or made some sort of electronic sound, we sold it.
This particular Good Guys store
was in the south part of Sacramento —
A lot of gang activity, certainly a lot of crime,
the occasional carjacking.
It was definitely a rougher part of town.
But, you know, we were young and we were Californians,
so we were invulnerable.
At that point, you never think anything like that
is gonna happen to you.
It's — it's just — It's unthinkable.
It's inconceivable.
It was on a — a Thursday,
and I remember it was a really, really beautiful day,
and I had promised my uncle that I was gonna pick him up,
and we were gonna spend the day together,
so my cousin and I decided that, you know,
we're gonna go get him. We're gonna go out to eat.
We're gonna go shopping.
We're just gonna spend, like, a really good-quality,
family day together.
So we picked him up, and we were headed down the road,
and he says, "Wait, let's stop
at the Good Guys store really quick.
I want to go do some shopping there first."
So, we were like, "Oh okay, no problem."
That was my first official day at that store.
While I'm walking into the store,
the store manager is walking out.
He says to me, "Hey, Al, welcome aboard."
And I got my box with me, and I'm like, "Thanks a lot."
I was working as a video salesman,
and I originally worked for another store
which was much further from my home before that, for a year.
So I was thinking, "Oh yeah, this is gonna be, uh,
a welcome change.
Hey, its past my lunch.
I know. It's that ad.
This is crazy for a weekday.
Can you wait till it dies down a little?
- Yeah, that's fine. - Go ahead.
It was kind of an unusual Thursday to some degree,
because normally Good Guys ran an ad on the weekend.
They ran it on Friday, for Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
but they tried something different
this particular week and ran one on Thursday.
It brought a lot more shoppers.
The place was really a lot busier
than it normally would be on a Thursday.
And I was handling customers right and left
on a surprisingly busy day. This is gonna work.
I was at the computer terminal,
which was located at the end of an aisle,
a store aisle, checking the computer
and see if there's any updated products or anything.
Then, right behind me, was a friend of mine named John Fritz.
He had just come on shift, as well,
so we were back to back, but I was facing the front door.
Out of my peripheral vision, I see these guys.
They start putting ski masks on.
I'm like, "Okay, well, this isn't a good sign."
That was actually when, all of a sudden,
just kind of everything stopped.
A guy ran past us with a mask on.
He puts the gun up above his head
and says, "Everybody down."
Everybody get down!
People who are actually walking in the store at that time,
they don't know what's about to hit them.
My heart was just pumping.
I could hear it.
No!
Hurry up! Sit down!
I guess this isn't gonna be a robbery.
On April 4, 1991,
I had the day off work,
and I was going to go to the electronics store
to try and find a camera case
for a camera I had gotten at Christmas time,
so I left to go to the Good Guys store.
Oh, what the heck.
When I pulled up into the parking lot,
I noticed that there was another car
that drove up very fast,
and a guy was talking loud and laughing
with other people that were in the car.
And I kind of hesitated because it got my attention.
I just thought that them being loud and rambunctious
that it was just teenage kids.
I really didn't have any idea
that anything could possibly happen.
It just never entered my mind.
People who were actually walking in the store at that time,
they don't know what's about to hit them.
When I got into the store,
I went toward the back where the cash registers were
looking for the camera case.
And just as I got to that area, I heard a large commotion.
And I looked across on the other side of the cash registers,
and there was a gunman with a mask on.
They pack an incredible punch, guys.
These are some of our top sellers right here.
Everybody get down!
- He's got a pistol in his hand. - Everybody get down!
He held the gun straight up in the air over his head
and tried to fire it, but it just went "Click."
If you pull pull the trigger on a gun,
and it's on safety, it's not gonna go off.
That's what the safety is for.
He basically got startled and then ran up to the front,
but just really seconds later, we hear gunfire.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, bang, bang, bang.
One guy stood at the front door with a shotgun.
And three gunmen started shooting their guns,
randomly blowing up televisions,
blowing out glass counters,
and randomly shooting whatever they wanted to shoot.
Hey!
And also yelling, "Everybody get to the front of the store."
Everybody come here to die.
Sit down! Hurry up!
I ducked, and when John saw me duck, he ducked.
I just kind of inched my way around the end cap
so when the gunmen were running up and down the aisles
they wouldn't see me duck down
in front of the computer terminal.
At that time, I was five months pregnant.
It was all happening really, really fast.
My heart was just pumping. I could hear it.
I just immediately dropped to the ground,
and my cousin and my uncle —
We were, like, in — In a pair of three.
Aah!
No! Please don't!
Go! Aah!
He gets my hair,
and he shoves me against the wall.
He tells us, "Stay here and don't move."
You really can't believe what you're seeing.
It's — it's really difficult for the mind to process
just what's going on around you.
You go!
Sit down! Hurry up!
Lock the door!
People were running out of the back door,
and a gunman with a mask on said that if they didn't get back in
that he would shoot them.
Another lady and I went and hid
between large box and the will-call-window wall.
He went on toward the front of the store
after he closed the door,
so I thought, "Well, we've got it made,
'cause he didn't find us."
I was the only guy really that worked for the Good Guys
that I could see, so my first thought is,
"Well, I guess it's my responsibility...
To take care of everybody."
So I told everybody, "Okay, you know, let's all head
to the front door."
And there was a guy there with a shotgun
who basically pulled the gun out and cocked it
just as we walked up. In here.
Any time you hear a shotgun cock,
you stop dead in your tracks.
We all stopped.
I said, "Okay, everybody," you know,
into the car-stereo room, 'cause that was a small room.
So, I ushered everybody in, said, "Squat down low.
If it's a robbery or whatever's going on,
we'll just basically wait it out in here."
Everything's gonna be fine.
All right, we'll just wait in here until they leave.
I felt responsible for them.
There's no real entire reason for me to feel that way.
That was just what was going through my head at the moment.
Get down! Hurry up! Sit down!
The first thing that came into my mind is,
"This is going to be a robbery."
I reached into my pocket, pulled out my wallet.
I pulled out a $20 bill.
There was a cabinet underneath the computer terminal,
so I stuck my wallet under there.
I said, "Sit down"!
I figure, "Okay, now, when these guys come around
and say, 'give me your money, ' I give them 20 bucks.
They're happy."
Sit down! Hurry up!
One of the customers looked at me and said, you know,
"Does this kind of thing happen often here?"
You know and, of course, at this point,
I'm being both brave and — and a little cocky.
"Oh yeah, you know, yeah, we had a carjacking the other day.
Don't — you know, don't worry about a thing.
It'll all be fine, you know, we're all —
We're all good here."
Everybody out.
Now!
One of the gunmen walked by the door,
kind of did a double take,
- stopped, backed up, you know, opened the door up. - Go.
Then, he pointed the gun directly at me and said,
"Everybody out," you know, "Everybody out right now."
Well, at that point, we all got up,
filed out of the room and walked to the front.
Come on! Come on!
Sit down. Hurry up! Sit down!
I said sit down.
When we got to the front,
there was already a lot of people there,
mostly sitting on the floor,
all squatted down low, kind of wondering,
"What the heck is going on?"
We were kneeling down, and all of a sudden
I see a pair of shoes there.
And I look up, and here was this masked gunman
with a gun on us.
- Can we go? - Get up.
Up.
The other lady and I walked toward the front of the store,
and I said, "He's gonna let us go,"
and walked up there and saw
all of these people sitting down on the floor.
And at that point, I realized we weren't going any further.
Go.
Hurry up.
Move! Move!
Sit down. Go! Go!
Sit down! Go!
Move. Move your feet.
The area that I sat down in was next to two mothers
that had three children there,
and another person was Sean McIntyre,
who was an employee of the store.
The mother of one of the girls was crying quite a bit,
and Sean was trying to tell her to calm down.
"It'll be okay. You're not hurt."
Hurry up! Move. Move.
Sit down. Go. Go.
Sit down. Go!
Well, I was hiding with John,
ducked down behind the computer terminals,
so I could see the reflection of everything that was going on
in the front of the store.
The leader, he said he wanted to know who was in charge,
who had the keys,
the manager on duty, 'cause the store manager just left.
He says, "Well, I am."
He says, "Okay, well lock the door."
Lock it.
Lock the door!
Hurry up! Lock it!
Sit down!
I look over at John.
He looks over at me, and we're like,
"I guess this isn't gonna be a robbery."
You, dial 911. Go!
He just starts spouting off all these —
All these crazy demands.
We want a chopper, a big chopper,
to take us to Thailand, okay?
One of them said, "We want $1 million."
Why would you pick the Good Guys Electronic Store
and not the bank?
Hurry up!
Hurry up. Move! Move!
Sit down. Go. Go.
Sit down. Go!
Move.
Aah!
No! Please don't!
- Go! - Aah!
The gunmen were yelling,
"Everybody to the front of the store.
Everybody, go to the front of the store."
Hurry up. Move. Move.
Sit down. Go. Go.
John and I were hiding.
We were getting kind of cramped up, you know,
being ducked down for that long.
It was terribly frightening.
You don't know what's gonna happen.
You go!
Lock it!
Lock the door!
Hurry up! Lock it!
They had the assistant manager lock the door,
and, you know — So something was up.
We knew that, because there's no reason to do that
if it was a robbery.
There's two plate-glass doors real thick glass doors.
That was the only way in, the only way out
for any customers or anybody. There were no windows.
That's why they picked the place is because it was so secure.
Hurry up!
When he locks us in those two glass, thick glass doors,
he's locking it from the bottom.
And then, when I heard that, then I started to panic.
I was almost five months pregnant
at the time, and I'm thinking, "You know what?
I'm gonna die in here."
You, dial 911.
- Go! - What?
Yes, yes! Dial 911. We want police.
911. Give me the —
Hello? Sit down!
Okay, we take control here. We want the police and the —
the, the, the, the Sheriff Department, okay?
And we make the demand.
Sit down! Hurry up!
Sit down!
I said sit down!
So, then, one guy says, "I need for someone to call 911.
I need to speak to the President,
and I need to speak to them now."
The President is not gonna call the Good Guys Electronic Store.
They got on the phone and said, you know, basically —
I don't think he used the word "Hostage,"
but basically, "We've taken control here,"
and, uh, you know, "We want — We want the police.
We want the Sheriff's Department here."
Hello. Hello?
Okay, okay, listen to me, okay,
before I kill all the people here.
We want a chopper, a big chopper,
to take us to Thailand, okay?
And, uh, the, the, the body armor.
And we want, uh, the ginseng.
Make sure the ginseng's 1,000 year old, okay?
He just starts spouting off
all these — All these crazy demands.
He wanted 1,000-year-old ginger root to cook —
Cook and make ginseng tea.
They wanted bulletproof vests.
Hello?
No, no, no, no, no. We make demand, okay?
I'm the boss.
We have the guns.
Okay.
Everybody kind of murmured, you know,
puzzled at what was going on.
You know, I don't really know what's gonna happen,
but there's a lot of really ugly possibilities here.
Bring the vests.
Strip down.
No weapons, no clothes, okay — naked.
The vests!
Bring the vests!
The negotiators said to ask them how much money do they want.
Well, one of them said, "We want $1 million,"
and the other gunman, who was a little more agitated,
he said, "No, tell them we want $4 million."
So I'm thinking they don't even know what they want.
They have all of these people sitting here on the floor,
taking them as hostages,
and they aren't even sure of what they want out of them.
What I didn't understand was —
Inside of the store, looking out to my left, there was a bank —
Two banks walking distance that you could see.
I didn't understand why, if you need $1 million —
Why would you pick the Good Guys Electronic Store
and not the bank?
Okay, everybody. We come here to die.
Huh? And we take everybody here with us.
Okay?
These guys were looking for attention in some fashion.
They were obviously young.
We didn't think hardly any of them were
much past 20 years old.
And, of course, the guns in their hands
kind of helped make them seem a little more threatening,
which, I think, was their whole point.
They wanted to seem threatening.
Hello. Hello?
Okay, I say — No where are the vests?
The vests.
Vests.
It was scary because you don't know what they're gonna do.
You don't know what their thought process is.
Okay, everybody.
We come here to die. Huh?
There was a row of televisions
to the right of where the hostages were,
so I could see the reflection of everything that was going on
in front of the store.
So, I'm hearing these demands going on
and kids crying, and they —
They really didn't want to deal with these kids crying.
And it was very annoying for them,
and I heard them threaten somebody and say, you know,
"You, you, you better shut your kids up,
or we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna kill you."
Hey. I said, "Be quiet."
Get up.
Bring the vests.
Strip down naked.
The TV cameras loved it.
Deputy McGinness, what's our status on the perimeter?
In 1991, I was the elected sheriff
of Sacramento County, California.
I was told that we had a robbery that had gone bad
in South Sacramento at a Good Guys store,
so I walked down to the communications center
where Sergeant Jerry Gomez was actually on the phone
with one of the hostage takers.
Okay, okay, listen to me, okay,
before I kill all the people here.
We want a chopper, a big chopper,
to take us to Thailand, okay?
And, uh, the, the, the body armor.
And we want the ginseng.
Make sure the ginseng 1,000 year old, okay?
Yeah.
It really wasn't a robbery gone bad.
What it was was a group of men
who had taken as many as 40 people —
It turned out there were 41 that were inside the store
that were all taken hostage.
That's not only tense.
It's just a very frightening situation.
Hey! Hey!
Okay.
No, no, no, no, no. We the boss here, okay?
We have the gun.
Three of those gunmen were brothers.
They were 17, 19, and 21,
and then their friend, who was a 16-year-old.
The 16-year-old that stood by the door most of the time
had a bandolier on, and it had green shells in it.
And he held a rifle.
The rest of them pretty much had handguns.
Okay, we take control here.
We want the police and the, the, the,
the Sheriff Department, okay?
And we make the demands.
Loi was the oldest. He was kind of in charge.
And then, the two younger brothers to Loi were,
uh, Cuong and Long.
Long was the problem.
Long was the, uh, the dangerous one.
I think we knew that pretty quickly in.
No, no, no, no! No!
He would constantly say, "I just want to see blood.
It's time we shot somebody.
I'm tired of waiting around. We're gonna shoot somebody now."
Some of the hostages, every time he would say that,
would — would jump a little or get a little more panicky,
and so he loved that.
Well, we could go between the two stores
there's a common hallway between the two of them
that's gets in towards the store.
We were setting up a command center
that was across the parking lot from the store itself.
The media got wind of this on the radio,
and so we started having media people respond
to the scene.
We had just seen this happen in Berkeley,
oh, probably a year before
when they tried to keep the media a mile away,
and they wouldn't stay there.
They had to go where they could get some shots,
and they wound up showing the SWAT team approaching
and a variety of other things
that really seriously compromised their operation,
so we dispatched our media relations officer,
who gathered all of the media in one place
and put them where they could see
the front of the store,
but swore them to secrecy on anything else
and not to show our SWAT team,
not to show people we had on the roof,
not to show how many people we had surrounding the store,
any of those things.
Well, I had commanders and people who had been to school.
They'd been to the FBI training.
They had trained with hostage negotiations.
We had the SWAT people.
I let them do their job.
I just told them, in effect,
"We're not doing anything without my okay.
We're not gonna storm the place.
We're not gonna do anything until I give the okay.
As long as we can negotiate, we'll keep negotiating."
The hostage takers were already making demands.
Jerry turned to me, and he says,
"Well, they want 1,000-year-old ginseng plants.
They want bulletproof vests."
They wanted things that there was no way we could provide.
We want the bulletproof vests.
Okay?!
Hey, don't play stupid.
Bulletproof.
Hey! I said, "Be quiet."
No.
So, as time goes on, negotiations are going on.
The kids keep crying.
They're, "Mommy, Mommy, why does so-and-so have a gun?"
And the guy has a gun.
And they're crying, and they couldn't calm down the children.
So when they negotiated,
they negotiated for some of those children to leave.
Hey, listen to me okay? Okay.
Uh-huh.
Bring the vests.
Strip down.
No weapons, no clothes, okay — naked.
The vests!
Bring the vests!
The gunmen had insisted that, uh, when somebody brought
a bulletproof vest that they strip down to their underwear.
You know, as they said, so that, you know,
he could have no guns on him,
or, you know, could pull no tricks.
They wanted to, uh, do something humiliating,
I think, to the authorities.
And the sheriff's department complied.
A guy — a guy walks up basically wearing
just his underwear and a pair of sunglasses
and makes a big show.
The TV cameras loved it.
And walked up, plopped the vest down in front of the front door,
and then walked off.
You. You.
They had one of the ladies
that had two children with her to go out and get the vest.
And he said, "If you run, I'll kill your children."
She goes, picks up the vest, brings it back into the store.
She wants to leave, and then he says,
"Wait a minute. You're not leaving anywhere.
We're not even sure if this is real."
Hey, man, that's not what we asked for, man, okay?
We want the full-body, okay?
From the toe to neck.
Okay let me test, man.
And I'll let the people go.
It was an old vest.
It looked like something you'd see from the '60s.
And he says, "Somebody's gonna need
to put this bulletproof vest on
'cause we need to check and see if it's real."
And then, all the hostages were like,
"Oh, no, no, no, no.
Just — just lay it down and shoot it.
And — and if it's real, I-it — it's gonna work."
- I'm going to shoot it. - Hey.
You always get to shoot. Move.
The ringleader one said, "I'm gonna shoot into it,"
and the younger one says, "Well, you always get to shoot."
And that kind of concerned me because I thought,
"Well, how many times has this happened?"
You know, "How many times have you been shooting at things?"
They tested it with a gun,
and I'm sitting there. All of a sudden, we heard,
"Boom!"
You could feel the ground shake right by you,
and it rattled your ears.
He did shoot into it,
and he seemed to be quite pleased
with the fact that it was authentic.
Okay, its good, man. Its good.
I'm going to let the woman and kid go, okay?
You trust me.
Then, he sends out the girl and the children,
and they're allowed to leave.
Gunman number one ended up wearing this bulletproof vest.
That made him more powerful.
But they want three more for the other guys.
The demands of the hostage takers were — were —
Were crazy and got crazier and crazier as they went along.
They asked for transportation to Thailand
so they could fight the Vietcong.
And then, they upped their demands
from the bulletproof vests to —
Instead of just regular vests but full body armor
like they felt they had seen in "Robocop."
These guys wanted Robocop outfits
that cover your fingers and your neck
and your feet and everything.
How do I know you do what you say, huh?
We're not going to jail!
They started getting, like, really frustrated
with the negotiations, and they kept slamming the phone.
They would slam the phone,
and if they didn't get their way
when they wanted their demands met,
they'd get agitated, very agitated.
Yeah.
One gunman said,
"Well, let's just shoot someone and throw them out
and let them know we mean business."
I thought, "I might be telling some really crazy story here
at the end of the day.
Either that, or I'm gonna get carried out in a body bag.
If I live, I'm gonna have a heck of a story to tell."
I was thrust in a situation, making a life-or-death decision
that you don't think you're ever gonna be in.
Loi! We found another one!
Now you're gonna be the first to die.
You can't threaten me with heaven,
so go ahead.
All of our people sitting around the table had earphones,
could hear the entire conversation
that was taking place in the negotiations,
and they were making notes, they were offering suggestions,
doing things like that.
You could feel the animosity
of the people on the other end of the line.
They were angry young men,
and they were — Literally they were desperate,
and it's really hard to negotiate
with people who are that desperate,
because they don't want to hear anything
except what they want.
What are you doing? We need to save our families.
Do something!
Shut up!
One at a time.
When we realized that family members were starting
to show up at the scene,
we got a room in the basement of the shopping center
to gather the families together, alerted the department chaplain,
and we put the chaplain with them down there,
and we gave them regular briefings.
I was thrust in a situation, making a life-or-death decision
that you don't think you're ever gonna be in.
But you know that — I knew when I went there
that, uh, part of my reason for being there
was to take responsibility if things went wrong.
Enough talk. We tie them up.
One person on the phone.
Who will talk?
Who will talk?!
I'll do it.
Move.
Move!
Separate into groups now!
It's unfortunate that these young people
didn't think any more of their lives or anyone else's,
because they weren't afraid to die.
They'd miss deadline after deadline after deadline.
And at that point, they start kind of ratcheting up
the bravado a little bit.
Then, they just said, "Okay, you know what?
We need for everybody to stand up."
And so, we all stood up, and — and we got to look around
and see each other.
And then, he started saying, "You know what?
I'm — I'm getting very frustrated.
They're not taking us serious.
So, I feel that law enforcement wants to play games.
If that's what they want to do,
then that's what we're gonna do."
"We're gonna play this nursery rhyme,
'eeny, meeny, miny, moe.'"
and he has his 9mm, and he's pointing it
at everybody's head or their heart,
and he's going one at a time.
"Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.
Catch a piggy by its toe."
It brought a lot of tension to the room.
John and I were hiding.
We were getting kind of cramped up, you know,
being ducked down for that long.
I could see certain gunmen in certain positions.
And then, John could look in the other direction
and see certain gunmen.
So, John and I were kind of
hand-signaling each other back and forth.
I would point in a certain direction,
and he'd kind of inch over.
And then, he would point in a certain direction
until finally one of the gunmen that was patrolling the store
saw John's foot sticking out of the aisle.
Hey!
Up.
Up! Hey! Found one over here.
Gunman number two was the brother of Loi,
who was gunman number one, who was the leader.
And Loi said, "You bring him up to the front.
Bring him up here now."
By now there's, like, a — A semi-, half-circle of hostages
that are at the front of the store,
and they all put the guns to his head.
And Loi's on the phone, and he said,
"We just found one,
and he's gonna be the first one to die
if our demands are not met."
Then, Loi said, "Go back over there
and — and look. Maybe there's another one."
Loi! We found another one!
Of course, there I am.
And Loi's like, "What?! Another one?!
Bring him here now!"
They were enraged.
They were making a big show of it,
pointing their guns around,
and I think that's what they really wanted to do —
Throw their authority around, be paid attention to.
Hey, what your name?
Al. It's Al.
All of them put the guns to my head.
"You're gonna be the first one to die."
Hey, we found a guy — Al. He hiding from us.
And, uh, now he gonna be the first to die.
And we want $3 million.
We want, uh, bulletproof vests,
and we want, uh...
A pizza in 10 minutes, or he die.
Get him a body bag.
Prepared to die, Al?
These guns were —
When the gun is on safety, it would actually click.
So, they would do that.
They would put a gun to your head, pull the trigger.
You'd hear "Click."
They're playing games with me, saying, "Prepare to die."
You know, "Get the body bags ready,"
and I'm just sitting there, you know, casually.
You don't want to show fear.
Fear is the one thing that you don't want to show.
And I knew where I was going to go when I died,
which allowed me to keep a cool head.
You can't threaten me with heaven.
You can go ahead and kill me,
but...
You're just gonna put me in a better place.
So go ahead.
And I had that attitude.
I had already pre-booked a trip
for my mother, my father, and my sister
to come out to visit me.
I thought about it when I was being held hostage,
you know, "If I'm actually killed,
they're actually gonna be getting tickets to my funeral."
As I sat there, I thought, "Here I am in this store.
My family doesn't know where I am.
I don't know if I'll ever see them again,
and I never got to tell them goodbye."
And that started to wear on me a little bit.
And I thought — you know, the emotions took over,
and I thought, "I can't let this happen,"
because if you become emotional, and you become a focus for them,
you might be the one they might want to shoot
and send out and be the example.
So, I kind of pulled myself back together,
and I thought maybe, for a while,
if I kept my head down and didn't look at them
and draw attention that perhaps I wouldn't be noticed.
But then I looked at myself, and I said, "Are you kidding?
I had a bright-pink outfit on, and I thought, to them,
I must be like a blinking light in the night."
You bring the tea, okay?
You go to the Chinese store, and get the ginseng root.
I started to think the things are not going well.
They're not getting their demands
and that...
H-how do I know you do what you say, huh?
It's not going to turn out like I thought it would.
You knew that somebody was gonna be
very seriously hurt or killed.
No one would dare attempt
to attack them
or to upset them,
because we had to move and speak
with severe caution
because they were very, very unpredictable.
You do nothing. Let me tell you something.
A car? No, no, no, no, no.
How are we going to get to Thailand in a car?
A 40-person helicopter — Bring it now.
I just started freaking out,
and at that time I was five months pregnant.
I think it was just, that was just all too much drama for me,
and my body started going into cramps.
I mean, something's wrong.
I'm in too — too much pain.
And my cousin was saying, "Stop it.
You're, you're, you're, you're, you're starting to panic.
It's — everything's gonna be all right."
They said, "Okay, we're gonna start letting people
use the restroom one at a time."
I told her, "Look, I have to go.
I'm leaving. I'm going to the bathroom.
I'll be right back." She goes, "No, you're not.
No, you're not." She's holding on to me.
She said, "No, you're not. You're not leaving me here.
I'm not dying alone. And you might not come back.
Or what if they kill you back there? Don't go."
I said, "No, I got to use this restroom,
because you know what?
I'm cramping, and I'm sweating it,
and I'm shaking, a-and I think I'm dying."
I'm losing my patience!
And I will start shooting right now.
We discovered that there was really
only two ways to get into the store,
and one of those was through the front door.
I'm losing my patience!
Are we really ready to do this?
For them to pick that store and then to do what they did,
it is kind of unbelievable that the two just are coincidental —
Bad guys hitting on Good Guys.
Okay, everybody. We come here to die.
On April 4, 1991,
four young men with a very, very ill-conceived plan
set about the process of taking a store over —
Violently, very well armed —
And actually took custody of a large number of shoppers.
Aah!
No! Please don't!
- Go! - Aah!
Lock it. Lock the door!
Their demands were a little unusual.
One of the things they initially asked for
was 1,000-year-old ginseng plants,
which, in their culture, they provide energy.
Frankly, I didn't know
where to get a 1,000-year-old ginseng plant.
Secondly, uh, they wanted full body armor.
Well, we didn't have full body armor,
but we did wind up giving one vest initially
to get the women and children out.
They wanted a helicopter,
and they wanted a letter from the President
giving them free passage to go to Vietnam.
They were asking for things that were impossible.
It was the most tense situation I have ever been in in my life,
and don't want to be in another one like it.
Hey, we found a guy — Al. He hiding from us.
And, uh, now he gonna be the first to die.
And we want $3 million.
We want, uh, bulletproof vests,
and we want, uh...
A pizza in 10 minutes, or he die.
Get him a body bag.
The price changed.
Now it's $1 million instead of $3 million.
Now — and where's our "Robocop" outfits?
I thought they wanted vests.
And where's our Chinese food?
And then it's supposed to be pizza.
They don't even remember their own demands,
they changed so much.
They wanted us frightened and intense.
I think they were just frustrated with their lives.
They wanted to feel like big men, for a change.
They wanted to have other people basically shut up
and listen to them for a few minutes.
They wanted to scare somebody.
They wanted to feel powerful.
Hey, I like that watch.
How much?
Under the circumstances, I think you can just have it.
What you think, man? I don't want to steal from you.
You steal from me. I have no life.
I hate this country.
Your education system no good, I can't get no job,
I can't join the army.
We don't belong here.
What are we supposed to do, huh?
It's hopeless.
That's why we die here.
They said, "We can't get jobs, we're uneducated,
we do not like your education system,
and we can't go into your military.
You've treated the people in our country poorly.
You treat us poorly in your country.
We're just gonna just start killing you guys
because we already know we're gonna die
and we really don't care, and we don't like America."
Everybody out. Now!
I certainly had accepted at different points
that — that death was a possibility,
that I might not make it out.
I was a member of the S.W.A.T. team,
the special enforcement de-detail
for the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department.
When I got to the scene, it was very chaotic —
Lots of patrol cars, lots of officers running around.
The streets around the Good Guys Electronics Store
were just really just full of traffic and police officers
and law enforcement and fire personnel.
Every news media channel that I can think of was on scene.
This Electronic Store is completely surrounded
by ground troops, by aviation support.
We had helicopters in the sky, flying in tight orbit over it.
Deputy McGinness, what's our status on the perimeter?
I got all the side entrances and the back entrance covered.
I'm gonna want a couple of guys up on the roof with me.
I, of course, was a member of the special operations detail
to ensure that the suspects could not escape,
either out the front door, back door, side door, or the roof.
The parking lot is already a carnival atmosphere —
Roped off, cop cars everywhere with rifles pointed at them,
but really, they're in front of you.
So the rifles are really pointing technically at you.
The vests, make it, okay?
Do you hear me?
You better hurry up, man.
I thought maybe they would realize
that they're not gonna get what they want,
and they might as well give up
and we're all gonna walk out safe and sound.
But I realized this is not what it's leading up to.
They were very bent on maintaining control.
They wanted to control things.
No regard for the well-being and lives of those
upon whom they had a profound effect that day.
It was very, very tense, and every decision was weighed,
every — every move we made was weighed
towards trying to rescue the hostages
and get people out of there in one piece.
We discovered that there was really only two ways
to get into the store,
and one of those was through the front doors.
There was a second way in,
back hallway that got into a storage room,
and then eventually, that would lead into the showroom,
where the hostages and the hostage takers were at.
This was the first actual hostage rescue
in the history of the sheriff's department,
so I thought about our training,
and I thought, "Are we really ready to do this?"
You do nothing.
Let me tell you something —
Car? No, no, no.
How are we going to get to Thailand in a car?
A 40-person helicopter.
Bring it now.
I was almost five months pregnant at the time.
I'm cramping and I'm sweating it and I'm shaking
and, a-a-and I — I mean, something's wrong.
I'm in too, too much pain.
My cousin was saying, "Stop it, you're —
You're — you're — you're — You're starting to panic.
Its — everything's gonna be all right."
So when it was time to go to the bathroom,
he had his gun, and he says, "Do you want to use the restroom?"
I said, "Yes." I put my head down.
He escorts me with his gun to my back,
and he takes me to the back of the store.
We're not going to jail.
He was anxious to start shooting people.
Suicidal, psychotic, and confused all in one.
You want to play games? Heads, you die.
Tails, you die.
We had two snipers deployed
in the front of the store,
and then the other seven of us were the ones
that were gonna be doing the entry and hostage rescue.
7 of us against 4 armed gunmen with 41 hostages
inside a large showroom store with lots of hiding places,
so the odds for a successful mission
where everybody survives that is — is pretty slim.
Go on!
I go into the restroom, and at this time,
I'm five months pregnant.
I was holding all of my pain, so I had to sit there,
and I was trying my hardest
because there's a 12 gauge to my head,
and he's just watching me.
And I was thinking, you know, "What can I really do?"
My pants are off, I'm on the toilet,
and I'm trying to cover up all my blood
because I didn't want him to see it.
So he's looking at me, and I'm looking at him,
and I've got this gun on my head.
And I'm thinking, "Oh, you know, I got to play this off,
I got to figure something out.
I'm, you know, if he starts asking me these questions,
I'm gonna go with constipation,
and if he asks me, like, what's going on,
I gonna go with the cycle."
He's going, "Are you okay?"
And I said, "Yes, I'm okay.
I-I'm feeling a-a-a little bit better."
She had a miscarriage
in the bathroom during the incident,
while a hostage taker was in the bathroom with her.
For her to have to deal with that, that's huge.
We find a guy, Al, he hiding from us.
Now he gonna be the first to die.
And we want $3 million.
The whole time, I'm thinking,
"I got to get out of this place.
I'm in the worst possible position
that a person could be in.
I'm in front of everybody.
I'm the one that's targeted for death.
I'm gonna be the first one to go.
There was probably about eight, nine people
that went to the bathroom with an escort.
Then Loi says, "Does anybody else need to go?"
I got to go.
You are not going to go.
You're going to die.
You gonna die.
I'm gonna go. You are not gonna go.
Hey, hey, stop! You stop or you die!
I knew that I had to force their hand.
I started walking to the back of the room to go to the bathroom.
He said, "Both of you guys go and keep an eye on this guy.
Both of you."
Everyone else got a single escort.
I got a double escort. Two guns to my head.
I went to the bathroom,
and then instead of going back up to the front,
they took me to the break room.
I'll kill him. No, I kill him.
So these guys start arguing over who's gonna get to kill me,
and they point the gun to my head
and say, you know, "Prepare to die,"
and then the other guy says,
"No, if anybody's gonna kill him, it's gonna get to be me."
There's a snack machine back there,
and there's a soda machine.
One guy got so mad, he goes, "Boom!"
And the glass shatters.
Hurry up!
They grabbed the box that I used
to unload my personal belongings on my first official day
to stock it up with the sodas and the snacks,
and they found another box there.
So they loaded one with snacks.
They loaded one with — with drinks.
While I was back there
and these guys were arguing about everything,
I had taken off my tie, and I folded it up,
and I put it in my right pocket.
I had unbuttoned the top button of my shirt
to change my identity.
And then, when we went back to the front of the store,
instead of sitting back down where I was,
as the focal point, just sat in with the hostages.
40-person helicopter.
Just change your identity, get out of being the focal point.
Don't play stupid.
I really wished that John had done the same thing.
No. Have the old lady go out.
Who?
The old lady.
Up to this point, it was quite disturbing
because of them not knowing exactly what they wanted.
They finally decided they were gonna do something.
The area that I sat down in
was next to two mothers that had three children there.
They decided that maybe
they should let the girls out and free them.
So the ringleader says, "Let the old woman take them out.
I turned around and looked to see who he was talking about.
And with that, one of the mothers stood up and said,
"Can I take them out?"
And he says, "No, the old woman take them out."
Well, by then, I realized he meant me.
Get up.
I stood up,
and the one little 4-year-old didn't want to go with me
because I guess she had been taught
never to go with strangers.
She didn't want to go, and her mother had to convince her
that it was all right to go with me.
So I grabbed her by the hand, and the littlest one
and the other 6-year-old followed me out,
and we went out the store.
But until I got past the glass doors of that store,
I still wasn't sure that they weren't gonna shoot me
and I was gonna be the one that was gonna be the example.
I was glad to be able to go out, but I felt sorry for the mothers
that still had to stay in there not knowing
whether they would get out alive to raise those children.
No, I know the deal, but if we come out, you kill us.
No deal!
How do I know you do what you say, huh?
We're not going to jail.
There was a definite split between the gunmen.
The oldest, Loi, seemed willing from the very beginning
to kind of try to negotiate something,
but, uh, the younger ones not so much.
One particular by the name of Long
just was insistent —
Everything that he wanted met to the letter.
Frankly, he was anxious to start shooting people.
He made that clear from the very beginning.
That's not what we asked for!
He is screaming.
He's yelling. You sit down.
He's pulling out his long knife.
Suicidal, psychotic, irritated, angry, and confused, all in one.
You, go!
He's just going nuts.
Long was pretty insistent,
"They just — they're not taking us seriously."
It was at that point they decided to tie us up.
That's always one of those moments that you think,
you know, "Why am I letting this happen to me?"
So they tied us up in groups, mostly of four.
All the hostages were tethered together with cables
that they had hooked to all the television sets
and different appliances they had in the store.
The hostages were tethered in a line
all in one location towards the front of the store
because they were anticipating if anything happened,
it would be at the front of the store.
All the hostages were in a domino effect,
meaning if you were to move your arm,
then that pushed up a leg of the other hostage,
so that you can't run or move, really.
Is this the police?
How do I know that?
Okay, there's somebody that keeps calling on this phone,
and they're acting like they're the police.
Customers would call
and pretend to be the sheriff's department.
Sometimes, they would talk for 15, 20 minutes,
thinking they were talking to the police department
and it wasn't.
It was just some customer.
Till finally they decided, "We got to shoot somebody to,
you know, send somebody out for a message."
You do as I say.
Oh, you want to play games?
Fine, we'll play games.
Heads, you die.
Tails, you die.
"We're going to play this game called heads or tails,
and here's how it works.
We're gonna divide you into sets of 20.
20 to the right. 20 to the left.
If it lands on heads, the 20 to the right are gonna be killed.
If it lands on tails, the 20 to the left are gonna be killed.
So he throws up the coin, and we're all screaming.
We're — we're all screaming and freaking out.
We're like, "No!"
Where are our vests?
No, no, no, I'm the boss.
You do as I say.
Oh, you want to play games?
Fine, we'll play games.
Heads, you die.
Tails, you die.
The gunmen felt at this point
that they were not being taking seriously,
and more negotiations went back and forth.
"You're gonna live. You're gonna die."
And then they decided half of everybody was gonna die,
just to show that they were serious.
So he said, "I'm gonna flip a quarter.
Everybody in my right half, if it's heads, you're gonna die.
Everybody on my left side, if its tails, you're gonna die."
Who will die first?
So he throws up the coin, and we're all screaming.
The coin gets ready to — To fall, it rolled,
and he picked it up and said, "That one don't count."
They really did a series of coin flips,
and they made a really big show about it.
They flipped the coin high in the air,
let it fall to the floor, and of course,
it would bounce once or twice on the floor.
All to basically frighten the hostages.
Once they flipped it once, okay, then this side of the room now
is where we're gonna choose our target from.
Then they tried it again to, you know,
"Okay, from this side of the room,
we'll divide it into two halves."
And mostly, I think it was more for show than anything else.
Shoot him in the leg.
He pretty much just grabbed Sean McIntyre,
I think because he was the closest guy.
He'd worked, actually, audio.
He wasn't even supposed to be in the store.
He walked in to get a part for a car stereo
that he was installing
and just happened to be there at just the right time.
Hey, we're going to shoot you and let you out.
And then you gonna tell to the media our demands,
and we're going to watch on the TV, okay?
And, uh, they'll take it serious.
Hey, if we shoot you in the leg, let you out,
that's a fair deal, man.
They told him,
"We're gonna shoot you, and we're gonna let you out.
You're gonna relay to the media our demands,
and we're gonna watch it on TV.
And then everybody will take us seriously."
Turn around.
Shoot him in the head.
In the leg.
Shoot him in the head.
He faced them for them to shoot him,
but they're like, "No, no, no, turn around."
They really didn't even want to basically look him in the eye as they shot him.
So, he turned around, and, uh, then there was a lot of debate
because at least two of the younger gunmen were like,
"Shoot him in the head, shoot him," you know, "Shoot him somewhere else."
So he says at the count of three,
and we all have to watch.
He says, "One, two, three."
All of a sudden, you hear, "POW!"
Sean just drops to the ground.
I saw a puff of smoke at knee level
where the bullet had gone through the wall
and went through the boom boxes.
He was in bad pain,
but he was so, like, he was so brave.
He was on the ground.
He's shaking, and he's holding his leg.
And he's bleeding, and — and they're still talking to him.
They said, "Okay, are you gonna go do what we said,
and you're gonna go tell the — the — the police
that we want our demands?"
"Yes, I'm going to do what you said."
When they singled out Sean
and they were gonna kill Sean,
he was the unluckiest guy in the whole room.
Well, he got shot, and he lived and he got out.
And he went from being
the — the most unlucky person in the room
to be the luckiest person in the room
because there wasn't a person in that room at that time
that wouldn't gladly take a bullet in the knee
just to get out of there.
At this point, we're thinking,
"Okay, we're finally now to the point something's gonna happen.
The sheriff's department will storm in,
or they'll do something to get us out of here,"
but frankly, it really — it didn't happen.
Where's our vests?
We asked for "Robocop" outfits,
and they didn't give it to us.
We didn't get our four vests!
Where's our vests? Huh?
Where's our helicopter, huh?
We make demand, and you do nothing.
A 40-person helicopter — Bring it now!
Look, it's Sean on the news!
There are four gunmen in Good Guys
holding approximately 20 people hostage.
They want three bullet-proof jackets,
a helicopter, and firearms.
They already shot me.
That's all I have to say.
Any other demands that we can pass along?
That's all I have to say.
That's it!?
That's not what we asked for!
They didn't get anything.
"Where's our bulletproof vests, where's our 'Robocop' outfits,
where's the helicopter?"
By now they expected an army-style helicopter
in the parking lot.
They were ruthless.
They just seemed like they had no conscience.
It's a weird thing... Because after I lost the baby,
I didn't have time to grieve or think about it
because my mind was so fearful that all I could think of
was the next moment.
And I just moved forward in survival
'cause I knew I had already lost the baby,
so I was just hoping to — To take my own self
and my family out.
That was my goal.
Once we got into the back room,
it became very obvious pretty quickly
that we were gonna have to make an entry in here
and get into a situation where more than likely,
there was gonna be gunfire.
They were planning on our sniper taking a sniper shot,
and that sniper shot would be the cue for us
to enter the rear of the store and make the rescue.
We were told a couple of different times
to prepare for entry.
We would get up, we'd get stacked at the doorway,
and then they told us to stand down
because they were still negotiating.
There's an old man — He just fell down.
All of a sudden, I hear, "Boom."
And then there's this guy to the right.
He's in a diabetic seizure, and he's shaking.
And he's all tied up, and he's just, like, all shaking.
Long walks up, takes one look at him,
and actually, he's really calm,
and says, "Well, we've got our next volunteer."
There's an old man — He just fell down.
There was an elderly diabetic,
and he passed out because he didn't have his Insulin.
And he just went face first onto the floor,
and he brought the whole group with him that he was tied to.
They didn't care.
They said, "Oh."
They got him.
They moved him up forward, got on the phone,
and said, "You see this guy?
He's having some kind of attack.
Either you bring me this bulletproof vest,
or I'm gonna start shooting these — these people
one at a time.
"Now you talk —
You talk for your life, or we kill you."
I don't even think he even knew the phone was to his ear.
And his eye — all of a sudden,
his eyes, like, go back in his head,
and he just — choo! — He just goes over backwards.
And that infuriated them.
Hello?
No, no, no.
So they negotiated a little bit more,
and the negotiation didn't really work out.
So he says, "Okay, I'm gonna count to three.
I'm gonna shoot this — this guy
that's having some sort of attack.
One, two, three."
When he takes the shot, his leg goes up,
and his knee, like, touched his shoulder.
And then it slammed back down to the ground.
And he — and it was an old man.
I just felt so sorry for him.
The authorities, of course,
wanted him out for medical treatment.
And they're like, "No, man.
Now all die."
I did really begin to think,
"Okay, I may not get out of this alive."
Snipers, stand by.
Wait for my signal.
I'm going down there.
We decided we can't just wait and watch them shoot people.
We have got to implement the plan, and the plan was
that we actually had two snipers out there
with two different angles.
They had asked for a bulletproof vest.
We said, "Okay, we will give them the vest,
and when he opens the door to take the vest,
he will be exposed.
We'll take the shot."
We're now preparing to make entry.
They tell us to get ready.
I personally thought about a lot of things in my life
that could change if this didn't go right.
I had an 8-year old son at the time,
and one of those things was I may not ever see him again.
We could see S.W.A.T. snipers poised underneath cars.
We were big news at that point, and of course,
all the TVs inside the store by this point
had our picture pretty much nonstop.
At this point, we had been, you know,
held there against our will for six, seven,
and then ultimately, eight hours.
People only take so much before they start to kind of snap.
This incident started
at about 1:30 or 2:00 in the afternoon,
so we were eight hours into this incident.
We're now preparing to make entry.
Wait, they dropped another the vest!
It seemed like the gunmen
were just about to shoot another person
when somebody inside the store yelled, you know,
"Look, look, they've — They've brought another vest."
So they looked outside, and they debated what to do.
One of the gunmen said that he'd go out and pick it up,
and one of the other gunmen said, "Are you crazy?
We can't go out there.
We'll tie up a hostage and send 'em out."
So, they picked a hostage.
Up.
Listen, if you don't come back,
we'll start killing people, starting with your family.
Got it?
You two at the front of the door — out!
Open the door.
Tied her up with speaker wire, kind of a long tether,
and said, "Go out, get the vest.
We've got your cousin, uh, both your cousins.
We'll have guns trained on both of 'em,
so if you try to run, you know, they get it —
They get it first."
And, you know, at this point,
she's — she's tied up with speaker wire.
She's not going anywhere.
She's — you can tell she's scared to death.
They got one of the gunmen
to put a 12 gauge to my head,
and they got one of the other gunmen
to put a 9mm to my uncle's back, and they said,
"Bring us that vest, come back, or they're dead."
And my cousin is shaking,
but she was just — She was so brave.
She said, "I-I'll do what you — What you want me to do."
You two at the front.
They have curt open up the door.
He opens up the door,
pushes it open just — Just a little bit,
just enough for her to slip outside.
And you can see she just takes the most cautious,
tentative step you can imagine.
About that time that the door started to swing back,
and — and that was when all — all hell breaks loose.
Open the door.
Faster!
So curt unlocks the door from the bottom
and opens the door.
Take the shot.
The sniper takes the shot,
but the door swings shut on its own inertia.
And the bullet hits the plate glass door...
And grazes gunman number two's head.
And we get sprayed with all this thick plate glass
in thousands of pieces.
Just like, it goes, "Boom," and then we're just sprayed.
There was glass all over the floor.
We hear chaos and confusion.
We hear people screaming.
The sniper fired at the front of the store.
We threw flash bangs and other things
to make them think
we were storming the store from the front.
Come to me, come to me.
I got you. I got you.
She was actually tethered to an electrical cord,
and as she ran out from the area of the front door,
ultimately reached the end of the cord.
As it recoiled, it caused her to fall.
We carried her to a — a patrol car and got her out of the area.
I look up for just a second, and I see Long.
He basically cocks his gun.
I duck back down again.
You hear bang, and then bang, and then bang.
I knew that at this point, he was not getting taken out,
and so that — that really was all that fit in my brain
at that point, was, "Is he shooting the woman next to me?
I'm about to get shot, too."
It wasn't fear. It wasn't anything like that.
It wasn't my life flashing in front of my eyes.
It was just a single thought of, "Here it is."
I could see the hostage taker
just going down the line
of people he had tethered together,
shooting, going, "Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang,"
right down the line,
and my heart came right up in my throat.
I thought, "Oh, my God, we're gonna have —
I don't know how many dead people we're gonna have."
It was a terribly frightening moment.
I think the frustrating thing
is he got better as he went.
You know, the first person he shot,
he hit in I think in the foot.
Then he hit somebody in the knee.
By the time he got next to the woman next to me,
he hit her in the arm, kind of shoulder area.
Me — I got shot in the hip,
and from then on, basically, people died.
We could all hear a whole bunch of shooting
going on at the front of the store,
and at that time, my thought was, "We've failed.
They've killed everybody.
So now what do we do?"
And I just told myself,
"You know what, if that's the case,
now it's them and us,
and we still need to forge forward
and do what we came to do."
I see the masked gunman, and he's just coming in,
and he's just shooting, "Pop, pop, pop."
And they're just falling and screaming, and you can hear it.
You can hear the people being shot,
and they're screaming.
And they're falling to the ground,
and it was just — Oh, and my uncle was —
It was just — it was just terrible, and he was jerking.
I remember my uncle was jerking when they shot him.
He jerked. No, no!
That's when the S.W.A.T. team
came out from the shadows.
As I worked my way down the left aisle,
I now see hostages laying lifeless, laying still.
And my impression was that they had all been shot
and killed by the hostage takers.
Where is he?
All of a sudden, a shotgun blast rung out,
and I felt the concussion of the blast.
And I saw a muzzle flash.
I could not see where the suspect was at.
There were three hostages
tied up at the end of this display cabinet,
and I tried to speak with them
to try to find out where this shotgun suspect was,
and they couldn't even talk to me, they were all so hysterical.
When I came around the end of the cabinet,
I could see the hostage taker with the shotgun
kneeling at the end of the cabinet, and he couldn't see me.
I stepped out from the cabinet and then fired on him,
fired three shots into him, at which time, he fell,
and as I started to approach him,
he was still alive.
And he still had the gun in his hand,
and then one of the other officers fired, also.
And he was, um, neutralized at that time.
The S.W.A.T. team deployed and shot the suspects,
killing three of them.
There's glass everywhere.
You could barely see because there was so much gunpowder.
The gunpowder was so thick, it was hard to see.
You could taste the gunpowder in your mouth.
And there was just shells and glass and bloody clothes,
and just — just —
It was just something you would see in a movie.
I'm a hostage.
No, he's one of the bad guys!
I'm a hostage! He's one of the bad guys.
Down! I'm not, she's liar!
You lie!
As I came to the front the store,
the other team had what appeared to be a suspect detained.
He was wearing a bulletproof vest,
which had been delivered earlier as part of the negotiations.
He was trying to say that he was one of the hostages,
but there were hostages that were alive and talking to us
and telling us that he was one of the bad guys.
So we got him handcuffed, but as I'm standing with him,
within six or eight feet of me were three dead hostages.
And then I can see my uncle,
and he's just, like, laying there, just, like, lifeless.
Like, I knew he was dead.
I knew — I knew from the — From the impact of the shot,
from all the shooting
that there was just no way he could be alive.
Just there was just no way.
They send in the team of medical personnel.
Medical personnel have these tags,
and they're walking around tagging people.
And, um, the — The tags apparently
have things that you tear off the bottom of 'em.
It said basically injured, immediate, and the last tag,
if they tear it off, is deceased.
I stepped over John
and saw his nametag that he was deceased.
Because it was black — A black tag.
It's difficult to actually look over
and see one of your co-workers dead.
I remember I said out loud, I said, "Goodbye."
Um... And that's all you can do.
One S.W.A.T. guy passes by
with this gun with multiple clips in it,
but then as I look up, there's two S.W.A.T. guys.
You know, one of them is just weeping.
You know, I mean, it's really a weird, weird thing.
But at that point, you know it's over.
They talked for almost nine hours,
but the California hostage drama finally ended with gunfire
on live television.
Sacramento police moving into the Electronic Store
after the gunmen began shooting on the inside.
Three of the gunmen were killed,
but so were three of the hostages.
It's still a chilling scene out here, Anna.
I mean, a sense of panic, a sense of shock
standing in this parking lot in Sacramento
where just over an hour ago,
uh, that terrible scene of shooting unfolded,
ending 8 1/2 hours of terror for 30 hostages here.
We still hear ambulances wailing in the background right now
as they try to piece together exactly what happened.
We saved a lot of people.
Unfortunately, we didn't save three.
There were 41 hostages.
Three of those hostages died by gunfire.
11 other hostages were wounded.
The Good Guys Electronic Store hostage rescue
is the largest hostage rescue
in the history of the United States.
It is used by S.W.A.T. teams and viewed by S.W.A.T. teams
just to hear what happened and how it was handled.
I was shot in the hip.
It was, as they say in the movies, just a flesh wound.
It basically went in and out.
It's a shame. It's senseless. It was a waste.
There was no real purpose behind it.
It was just one of those incredibly dumb,
ill-advised things that happened for no real,
entirely good reason
that anybody can really discern I think to this day.
The one surviving hostage taker, Loi Nguyen,
was tried and convicted and is currently serving
41 consecutive life sentences in a California prison.
He will not get out.
It just doesn't seem fair that young people
who get an idea in their head of doing this
could change so many lives and devastate lives.
I'm sorry that they died.
I'm glad that the one that survived
is gonna be in prison for the rest of his life
so that he can't do anything like this again to anyone else.
It was traumatic then,
and reliving traumatic experiences
is never fun.
You know, you — you go back through it again, and you think,
"Holy cow, it's... not any different.
Uh, you know, three innocent people still died."
Doesn't make any difference how many times you go back
and tell the story.
You still get that same result.
It weighs on me.
About four months after the Good Guys incident,
I was promoted to sergeant
and was sent to the jails as a supervisor,
and when I got to the jail,
I realized within a couple of weeks
that this hostage taker who survived
was in custody at the jail.
And when he came out of his cell,
he walked up to me, and I identified myself to him.
And he just hung his head and said, "I don't want to talk."
And I just said,
"You don't have to talk, but you need to listen."
And so I just proceeded to tell him how I felt
and how I was angry about how he had put all those people
in that position and put my team in that position.
He never said another word.
I wasn't seeing him for him.
I was seeing him for me because I needed
to get that stuff off my chest as part of my healing process.
So we go to the hospital.
Physician comes in, checks me,
he — he says, "Yes, she — she was pregnant."
They run tests. "She — she lost her baby."
I didn't have time to grieve.
Once I was a hostage,
that was just the beginning of the nightmare.
Then I had to go to my uncle's funeral.
I had to go back to the doctor.
I had to go face my family.
I had to go face my friends.
I had to relive the whole incident over and over and over.
You, go. You, go.
I have forgiven all four of those gunmen.
Move!
I forgive them for their sins,
and I forgive them for their acts, though I am...
Saddened that that situation had to occur
and the events had to unfold and be that tragic
and that I had to suffer such a horrific loss.
Without forgiveness, you can never get through
an incident like this and maintain any type of sanity.
Because I was able to forgive and move on,
I was able to move on with my life.
If you don't forgive,
you will never be able to let something like this go.
As hard as it may sound,
you have to be able to forgive everybody.
Sync & corrections by Alice www.addic7ed.com