1 00:00:02,669 --> 00:00:04,102 Happy. That's the word. 2 00:00:04,270 --> 00:00:06,204 Happy that you won the election? 3 00:00:06,373 --> 00:00:10,776 Yes. And very grateful to all those who shared my vision. 4 00:00:10,944 --> 00:00:14,505 It's really a shared victory. 5 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:16,740 A victory that becomes less improbable 6 00:00:16,916 --> 00:00:19,009 when you see Alicia Florrick in action. 7 00:00:19,185 --> 00:00:21,813 What do I love the most about coming to my law firm? 8 00:00:21,988 --> 00:00:24,957 Well, that's easy. The camaraderie. 9 00:00:25,125 --> 00:00:27,150 If Alicia Florrick's a legal powerhouse, 10 00:00:27,327 --> 00:00:30,854 it's because she commands the respect of her colleagues. 11 00:00:31,031 --> 00:00:33,192 But it wasn't always so. 12 00:00:33,366 --> 00:00:36,631 Saint Alicia came by way of an arduous journey. 13 00:00:36,803 --> 00:00:39,704 - Can we do better than that? - Yeah, tell me when. 14 00:00:40,774 --> 00:00:42,366 Mm-mm. 15 00:00:43,810 --> 00:00:46,608 There. No, back one. Move in on it slowly. 16 00:00:50,717 --> 00:00:54,346 Saint Alicia came by way of an arduous journey. 17 00:00:54,521 --> 00:00:59,652 One that took her from stay-at-home mom to scandal to lowly associate. 18 00:00:59,826 --> 00:01:02,192 The scandal photo, can we keep her in color 19 00:01:02,362 --> 00:01:04,557 and make everything else black-and-white? 20 00:01:08,935 --> 00:01:11,199 Yeah, great. Now back to the interview. 21 00:01:12,272 --> 00:01:14,536 - mom to lowly associate, 22 00:01:14,707 --> 00:01:18,837 to founding partner of one of Chicago's largest firms. 23 00:01:19,012 --> 00:01:22,470 How will my administration differ from that of my husband's? 24 00:01:22,649 --> 00:01:27,677 - Well, it's not... I can't... - No, cut the stumble. 25 00:01:30,857 --> 00:01:33,985 - Chicago's largest firms. - The better question? 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,493 How will my administration be different from my predecessor? 27 00:01:37,664 --> 00:01:41,725 We will be accountable to victims, worthy of the public's trust. 28 00:01:41,901 --> 00:01:44,165 I'm sorry, Petra. I need to get Mrs. Florrick on the phone 29 00:01:44,337 --> 00:01:47,033 - with the governor just for a moment. - Sure, Eli. Anything for you. 30 00:01:47,207 --> 00:01:48,333 Going great, though. 31 00:01:48,508 --> 00:01:50,169 - Love what you're doing. - Thanks. 32 00:01:50,343 --> 00:01:51,708 There's no one on the phone. 33 00:01:51,878 --> 00:01:54,142 Just turn around and pretend you're having a conversation. 34 00:01:54,314 --> 00:01:57,181 It's about the hack. Are you sure the e-mails are safe? 35 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:59,079 We're hearing that they might still come out. 36 00:01:59,252 --> 00:02:01,345 - Hearing from whom? - I heard Diane and Cary talking. 37 00:02:01,521 --> 00:02:02,749 - You want some crackers? - No. 38 00:02:02,922 --> 00:02:05,356 The hackers want an apology from the firm. 39 00:02:05,525 --> 00:02:08,722 Well, we already resolved it. I mean, we can't publicly condone piracy. 40 00:02:08,895 --> 00:02:10,624 You don't have to. "We regret any implication 41 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:13,595 that the blah-blah-blah shareware is not legitimate." You know. 42 00:02:13,766 --> 00:02:14,994 I have to consult my partners. 43 00:02:15,168 --> 00:02:19,502 The deadline's at the end of the week, or the e-mails go wide, so consult fast. 44 00:02:19,672 --> 00:02:21,139 Thank you. 45 00:02:22,008 --> 00:02:24,476 - Set? - Yes, yes. Sorry about that. 46 00:02:24,644 --> 00:02:25,668 - No, no, no. - All set. 47 00:02:25,845 --> 00:02:27,904 I was thinking of using this for the sit-down. 48 00:02:28,081 --> 00:02:30,140 It looks way better than the first time she sat down. 49 00:02:30,316 --> 00:02:31,510 I didn't... 50 00:02:32,452 --> 00:02:35,182 I didn't shake her hand that time. 51 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Ripped By mstoll 52 00:02:49,135 --> 00:02:50,727 And we will be transparent. 53 00:02:50,904 --> 00:02:54,772 Accountable to victims, worthy of the public's trust. 54 00:02:57,043 --> 00:02:59,102 - Where'd you get these? - An anonymous source. 55 00:02:59,279 --> 00:03:01,509 - They're hacked? - Yes, Alicia Florrick's hacked e-mails 56 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:03,546 from the past five years. You have to read them. 57 00:03:03,716 --> 00:03:05,775 - Thought this was a puff piece. - It was. 58 00:03:05,952 --> 00:03:07,647 People don't like when you tear down heroes. 59 00:03:07,820 --> 00:03:11,221 Are you kidding? It's what they live for. 60 00:03:11,391 --> 00:03:12,688 I need independent corroboration. 61 00:03:12,859 --> 00:03:14,622 Talk to her firm, confirm they've been hacked. 62 00:03:14,794 --> 00:03:19,128 Yes, we did have an attack on our e-mail services, but we have since... 63 00:03:19,299 --> 00:03:21,130 Petra Moritz. 64 00:03:21,301 --> 00:03:26,136 But we have since repelled that attack. No, it's had absolutely no impact... 65 00:03:26,306 --> 00:03:30,470 Okay, Daddy just needs a minute, so I need you guys to sit quietly. 66 00:03:30,643 --> 00:03:32,941 Come on. Charlie, come on. Ms. Sharma, hello. 67 00:03:33,112 --> 00:03:34,170 Good to see you again. 68 00:03:34,347 --> 00:03:36,110 You, too, Mr. Wiley. What are you up to today? 69 00:03:36,282 --> 00:03:39,308 Oh, just, you know, the usual, making trouble. 70 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:42,154 - See you later. - Bye. 71 00:03:42,322 --> 00:03:44,654 Yes, well, he's in with a client right now. 72 00:03:44,824 --> 00:03:48,385 Sure, I'd be happy to send you to voice mail if that's okay. 73 00:03:48,561 --> 00:03:50,495 It's no problem at all. 74 00:03:50,663 --> 00:03:53,131 That'll be 10:00 tomorrow? 75 00:04:05,378 --> 00:04:06,777 Hey, everything all right? 76 00:04:06,946 --> 00:04:09,244 Yes, I just have to meet this Mr. Dipple at his think tank. 77 00:04:09,415 --> 00:04:10,882 No, I mean in there. 78 00:04:11,050 --> 00:04:13,746 Oh, yes. Andrew Wiley. You know, the investigator? 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,650 - Yeah. What's he asking? - He's working with Internal Affairs. 80 00:04:17,323 --> 00:04:21,020 Looking into Detective Prima and how he set up Cary. Brady Violation. 81 00:04:21,194 --> 00:04:23,253 Yeah, and how he entrapped Cary too. 82 00:04:23,429 --> 00:04:26,193 Well, they're finding that harder to prove. 83 00:04:26,366 --> 00:04:28,527 - Why is he talking to us? - They want to find out 84 00:04:28,701 --> 00:04:30,396 how we discovered that e-mail from Canada. 85 00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:33,767 The one that Prima deleted. They wanna prosecute him for this. 86 00:04:34,540 --> 00:04:36,371 See you. 87 00:04:40,580 --> 00:04:42,707 - Hi. - Hey. 88 00:04:42,882 --> 00:04:46,841 - Can I help you? - Yeah, uh, I need some legal advice. 89 00:04:48,221 --> 00:04:49,415 Okay. 90 00:04:49,589 --> 00:04:53,184 Hypothetically, a cop is going to prison for something that he didn't do. 91 00:04:53,359 --> 00:04:54,587 Someone else did it. 92 00:04:54,761 --> 00:04:58,094 But there's a lawyer who made misrepresentations 93 00:04:58,264 --> 00:05:00,061 based on, um... 94 00:05:00,233 --> 00:05:03,896 - I... - Just don't use names and I'm fine. 95 00:05:05,071 --> 00:05:10,475 Look, someone is guilty of faking evidence, 96 00:05:10,643 --> 00:05:12,702 but a lawyer who did not fake that evidence 97 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:16,144 and, in fact, thought it to be true, presented it in court. 98 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:20,548 - Now, is that lawyer in trouble? - What, for using the faked evidence? 99 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,245 Yeah, even though she didn't know that it was fake? 100 00:05:23,423 --> 00:05:26,654 Mm-hm. Yes. Ignorance is irrelevant. 101 00:05:26,826 --> 00:05:29,727 The lawyer could be disbarred or even go to prison. 102 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:33,925 Okay, and, uh... 103 00:05:35,268 --> 00:05:37,759 What if that person who faked the evidence 104 00:05:37,937 --> 00:05:39,495 swore to the lawyer's innocence? 105 00:05:39,672 --> 00:05:42,140 Doesn't matter. It's strict liability. 106 00:05:44,377 --> 00:05:45,810 Okay. 107 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,446 - Anything else? - No, that's enough. Thank you. 108 00:05:52,251 --> 00:05:53,548 Sure. 109 00:06:00,226 --> 00:06:03,753 Diane, you brave soul, welcome to the Plenary Institute. 110 00:06:03,930 --> 00:06:04,954 How am I brave? 111 00:06:05,131 --> 00:06:07,964 Liberal lawyer in this lion's den of conservatism? 112 00:06:08,134 --> 00:06:11,365 A lion's den is perfectly safe when you have God on your side. 113 00:06:11,537 --> 00:06:14,335 There she is, quoting the Bible. 114 00:06:14,507 --> 00:06:17,032 Diane, may I introduce Max Gauls, Cole-Harberts-Greyson? 115 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:20,646 - Justin Partridge of Simkins-Wilde. - It's so good to meet you. 116 00:06:20,813 --> 00:06:22,974 - Diane, have a seat right over here. - Okay. 117 00:06:23,750 --> 00:06:25,240 So, what am I doing? 118 00:06:25,418 --> 00:06:27,511 Aside from picking up your retainer check? 119 00:06:27,687 --> 00:06:30,918 - I need a liberal viewpoint. - On? 120 00:06:31,090 --> 00:06:32,682 Gay marriage. 121 00:06:32,859 --> 00:06:34,759 - You're the devil's advocate. - In what way? 122 00:06:34,927 --> 00:06:37,521 We're trying to decide whether to fund a case 123 00:06:37,697 --> 00:06:39,631 on gay marriage and religious accommodation. 124 00:06:39,799 --> 00:06:42,597 - And what is the case? - In May of 2014, 125 00:06:42,769 --> 00:06:44,737 Jane Armisen, a baker in California, 126 00:06:44,904 --> 00:06:47,532 was asked to bake a cake for a gay wedding. 127 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:53,175 She refused, citing religious objections to supporting gay marriage, 128 00:06:53,346 --> 00:06:55,314 - and was sued for discrimination. - She lost. 129 00:06:55,481 --> 00:06:58,416 And you're wondering whether to take up this baker's appeal? 130 00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:00,745 - Yup. - No. 131 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,821 - Obviously. Ha, ha. - Well, that's not surprising. 132 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:08,324 Well, it's not because I'm a liberal. It's because you won't win. 133 00:07:08,494 --> 00:07:09,893 This was a plain wedding cake? 134 00:07:10,062 --> 00:07:14,328 There was nothing about the cake itself that was offensive to the baker? 135 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:16,559 That's correct. It's the fact it would have been used 136 00:07:16,736 --> 00:07:19,034 in a ceremony she believes dishonored her religious creed. 137 00:07:19,205 --> 00:07:22,834 But this baker advertises to the public that she makes these wedding cakes, 138 00:07:23,009 --> 00:07:28,072 and she will sell these wedding cakes to anyone, just not gay people. 139 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:31,514 - I'm sorry, but that's not a strong case. - Well, the Constitution 140 00:07:31,684 --> 00:07:34,050 guarantees her the free exercise of religion. 141 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:38,520 And California's Civil Rights Act forbids discrimination against LGBT people. 142 00:07:38,691 --> 00:07:40,215 We have two competing freedoms. 143 00:07:40,393 --> 00:07:43,260 Businesses are allowed to refuse service to anyone. 144 00:07:43,429 --> 00:07:46,125 With certain exceptions to that right. 145 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:51,032 It cannot be based on race, color, religion, or sexual orientation. 146 00:07:51,204 --> 00:07:53,399 - In some states, sexual orientation. - In many states. 147 00:07:53,573 --> 00:07:55,473 Well, but there are exceptions to the exceptions. 148 00:07:55,641 --> 00:07:58,940 What did Thomas Jefferson say? "Among the most inestimable 149 00:07:59,111 --> 00:08:02,979 of our blessings is that of liberty to worship our creator 150 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:05,481 in a way we think would be agreeable to him." 151 00:08:05,651 --> 00:08:08,085 It's no different from conscientious objectors to war. 152 00:08:08,254 --> 00:08:11,121 I'm sorry to be blunt. I know you come to your opinions honestly. 153 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:12,951 Well, it's not just my opinion. 154 00:08:13,125 --> 00:08:15,389 The Religious Freedom Restoration Act allows 155 00:08:15,561 --> 00:08:17,051 exemptions in anti-discrimination laws. 156 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:19,755 Not in California. California does not have one. 157 00:08:19,932 --> 00:08:23,390 Let's say we're not in California. Let's say we're in Colorado. 158 00:08:25,171 --> 00:08:26,604 Well, we're not in Colorado, 159 00:08:26,772 --> 00:08:29,605 but RFRA would not be your friend there, either. 160 00:08:29,775 --> 00:08:32,437 - So let's say it's in New Mexico. - It doesn't matter. 161 00:08:32,612 --> 00:08:37,549 The baker's refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple for who they are. 162 00:08:37,717 --> 00:08:39,685 That is the heart of discrimination. 163 00:08:39,852 --> 00:08:42,320 What if our baker won't sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, 164 00:08:42,488 --> 00:08:44,922 but he will sell them bear claws? 165 00:08:45,091 --> 00:08:46,422 - Cupcakes? - That's right. 166 00:08:46,592 --> 00:08:48,822 She isn't, in fact, refusing to serve homosexuals. 167 00:08:48,995 --> 00:08:51,987 She just won't do the one thing her religion says is a sin. 168 00:08:54,166 --> 00:08:56,794 Okay, that's a good point. 169 00:08:57,970 --> 00:09:00,700 Great. Let's take a little break. 170 00:09:01,407 --> 00:09:04,001 So, where is Diane Lockhart? 171 00:09:04,176 --> 00:09:07,145 - I'm sorry? - "That's a good point"? 172 00:09:07,313 --> 00:09:09,611 - It was a good point. - No, it wasn't. You know it wasn't. 173 00:09:09,782 --> 00:09:12,046 - Well, you wanted me to help. - No, I want you to fight. 174 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:14,448 I want you to convince me this is a loser case. 175 00:09:14,620 --> 00:09:16,918 If you're worried about offending me, don't. 176 00:09:17,089 --> 00:09:18,647 I have a gay nephew, okay? 177 00:09:18,824 --> 00:09:22,055 Love my gay nephew, want him to be happy. 178 00:09:22,228 --> 00:09:24,696 I just don't happen to believe in gay marriage. You do. 179 00:09:25,331 --> 00:09:27,993 - Convince me I'm wrong. - Go for the jugular? 180 00:09:28,167 --> 00:09:30,658 - Mm. Right there, ma'am. Right there. - Ha-ha-ha. 181 00:09:30,836 --> 00:09:33,669 That's insane. Selling someone something they don't want 182 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:36,000 is the same thing as refusing them service altogether. 183 00:09:36,175 --> 00:09:37,199 No, it isn't. 184 00:09:37,376 --> 00:09:39,139 A vegetarian couple walks into a market 185 00:09:39,312 --> 00:09:40,836 and you refuse to sell them vegetables. 186 00:09:41,013 --> 00:09:43,174 In fact, you'll sell them anything but vegetables. 187 00:09:43,349 --> 00:09:45,544 You are effectively denying them service. 188 00:09:45,718 --> 00:09:47,618 A gay couple wants to buy a wedding cake 189 00:09:47,787 --> 00:09:50,085 and you refuse to sell them a wedding cake. 190 00:09:52,224 --> 00:09:55,091 The camaraderie, the relationships I've built here, 191 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:56,990 it's what makes coming to work a joy. 192 00:09:57,163 --> 00:10:01,099 Relationships that have been built with some difficulty, apparently. 193 00:10:01,267 --> 00:10:02,700 Now cut to the e-mail. 194 00:10:02,868 --> 00:10:04,495 Float it in, Star Wars style. 195 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,703 "It's all about money to them. 196 00:10:11,877 --> 00:10:13,777 The partners don't give a damn about us." 197 00:10:13,946 --> 00:10:15,573 Float in the second e-mail. 198 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:18,849 "The partners don't give a damn about us." 199 00:10:19,018 --> 00:10:22,545 Two of her coworkers write, "Alicia is a perfect example 200 00:10:22,722 --> 00:10:24,451 of someone sleeping her way to the top." 201 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:25,886 Now change the music. 202 00:10:29,228 --> 00:10:33,597 "It's all about money to them. The partners don't give a damn about us." 203 00:10:33,766 --> 00:10:37,395 Two of her coworkers write, "Alicia is a perfect example 204 00:10:37,570 --> 00:10:40,596 of someone sleeping her way to the top." 205 00:10:57,923 --> 00:11:00,187 Mrs. Florrick, I want to thank you for agreeing 206 00:11:00,359 --> 00:11:02,350 - to sit down for a second interview. - Absolutely. 207 00:11:02,528 --> 00:11:05,395 We just need clarification on a few things. 208 00:11:05,564 --> 00:11:09,591 Mrs. Florrick, you returned to the practice of law after 12 years... 209 00:11:09,769 --> 00:11:12,101 - Thirteen. - Thirteen years. Sorry. 210 00:11:12,938 --> 00:11:15,873 And you walk into this law firm, 211 00:11:16,042 --> 00:11:19,341 full of old bulls and young tigers. 212 00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:21,309 - Were you nervous? - Very. 213 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,608 And the only person you knew at all was Will Gardner. 214 00:11:24,784 --> 00:11:26,411 Yes. 215 00:11:26,585 --> 00:11:29,679 The two of you wound up becoming quite close, didn't you? 216 00:11:31,057 --> 00:11:34,254 Will was a terrific lawyer. He was smart, creative. 217 00:11:34,427 --> 00:11:36,327 Zealous in the best sense of the word. 218 00:11:36,495 --> 00:11:39,953 Maybe more importantly, a trusted friend? 219 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:46,069 - Yes. - And after May 2010, 220 00:11:46,238 --> 00:11:47,296 perhaps even more so? 221 00:11:47,473 --> 00:11:49,532 Apologies. I just need to borrow Alicia for a moment. 222 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:53,440 I forgot to get an answer on something time-sensitive. 223 00:11:54,747 --> 00:11:56,237 - She has the e-mails. - Or the photos. 224 00:11:56,415 --> 00:11:58,406 No, she said May 2010. That's the e-mails. 225 00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:00,484 What e-mails? What are we talking about? How bad? 226 00:12:00,653 --> 00:12:03,451 Give her your phone. I'm calling this off. 227 00:12:04,857 --> 00:12:07,485 You're saying that a Hindu or a Muslim can enter a bake shop... 228 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:09,821 - No, that isn't comparable. - Yes, it is. 229 00:12:09,995 --> 00:12:11,189 They're both protected classes. 230 00:12:11,363 --> 00:12:14,821 A Hindu can enter a bake shop and be denied a wedding cake. 231 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,059 No, no, because that is denial of a class of people. 232 00:12:17,236 --> 00:12:18,703 Exactly. Like gays. 233 00:12:18,871 --> 00:12:21,704 No, that is the denial of an activity. Of the marriage. 234 00:12:21,874 --> 00:12:23,865 Which is just a pretext for discrimination. 235 00:12:24,043 --> 00:12:26,273 What if it weren't a blank wedding cake? 236 00:12:26,445 --> 00:12:28,037 - That's not what happened. - I know that. 237 00:12:28,214 --> 00:12:30,512 I'm trying to determine where religious freedom ends 238 00:12:30,683 --> 00:12:32,082 and antidiscrimination laws begin. 239 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:36,415 What if Jane were asked to attach a figurine of two men holding hands? 240 00:12:37,056 --> 00:12:38,546 Could she deny that service? 241 00:12:38,724 --> 00:12:41,386 If she's offering the service of supplying figurines, 242 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,050 then, no, she cannot deny that service. 243 00:12:43,229 --> 00:12:44,958 What if she's asked to write on the cake, 244 00:12:45,131 --> 00:12:47,929 "Congratulations, Roger and Carl"? Can she deny that because it's speech 245 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:50,091 - she doesn't approve of? - Now we come around 246 00:12:50,269 --> 00:12:51,395 to the free speech argument. 247 00:12:51,570 --> 00:12:53,561 Well, you knew we were gonna end up there. 248 00:12:53,739 --> 00:12:56,071 Okay, well, here's the thing, it's not her speech. 249 00:12:56,242 --> 00:12:59,405 It's the speech of the person purchasing the service. 250 00:12:59,578 --> 00:13:04,515 I mean, imagine if she is a printer and a gay person comes in needing flyers. 251 00:13:04,683 --> 00:13:05,911 She cannot reject his business, 252 00:13:06,085 --> 00:13:10,078 even though the flyer may be advertising an LGBT meeting, 253 00:13:10,256 --> 00:13:13,987 because to reject him is to discriminate based on sexual preference. 254 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,491 Just as one can't discriminate 255 00:13:15,661 --> 00:13:17,458 - based on religion? - Exactly. 256 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:21,862 So if a Christian walks into the cake shop and orders a cake 257 00:13:22,034 --> 00:13:23,899 that says "God sends gays to hell," 258 00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:26,128 does the baker have to write that on the wedding cake 259 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:27,932 - even if she doesn't approve of it? - No. 260 00:13:28,107 --> 00:13:29,836 - Because you find it offensive? - No. 261 00:13:30,009 --> 00:13:35,572 Because the baker is not objecting to a religion but a point of view. 262 00:13:35,748 --> 00:13:37,807 - A hateful one at that. - But the purchaser 263 00:13:37,983 --> 00:13:40,383 finds it essential to his or her faith. 264 00:13:40,553 --> 00:13:43,852 Isn't the Christian a protected class, with the same protection as gays? 265 00:13:50,429 --> 00:13:54,024 I'm sorry, there's been a slight hiccup in the investigation. 266 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,465 - What hiccup? - Detective Prima deleted the e-mail 267 00:13:57,636 --> 00:14:01,402 from the Canadian authorities at 3:11 p.m. On August 28. 268 00:14:01,574 --> 00:14:04,042 That's the great thing about technology. You're never wondering 269 00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:06,644 when this or that happened. It's all there in black-and-white. 270 00:14:06,812 --> 00:14:11,476 - Good. So, what's the problem? - Timmy, Dora, less noise. Okay, here. 271 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:16,678 Detective Prima was on the stand testifying in a burglary case 272 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,825 from 2:38 p.m. To 5:30 p.m. On August 28. 273 00:14:19,992 --> 00:14:21,584 So, I mean, unless there's a mistake 274 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,160 in the public record or in the e-mail metadata, 275 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:27,731 there is no possible way... Hey, Dora, let go of Timmy's hair. 276 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:31,996 There is no possible way that Prima could have deleted the e-mail. 277 00:14:32,171 --> 00:14:33,934 Okay, so, what's your theory? 278 00:14:34,106 --> 00:14:37,667 Well, unfortunately, my theory involves ASA Geneva Pine, 279 00:14:37,843 --> 00:14:40,539 who was having an affair with Prima at the time. 280 00:14:40,713 --> 00:14:43,477 - You're kidding. - No. I mean, she didn't tell anybody. 281 00:14:43,649 --> 00:14:48,313 You know. I mean, for... Sorry, can you? 282 00:14:48,487 --> 00:14:50,785 For obvious reasons. Kids, Cheerios. 283 00:14:50,956 --> 00:14:52,856 Think she deleted the e-mail for Prima? 284 00:14:53,025 --> 00:14:55,823 Well, she was the only one in the department with access to his account. 285 00:14:55,995 --> 00:14:59,158 I was wondering if you guys had any other thoughts. 286 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:01,594 Uh, ahem. 287 00:15:01,767 --> 00:15:04,201 - Why would we have thoughts? - I have no idea. 288 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:05,962 Do you? 289 00:15:07,172 --> 00:15:08,196 No. 290 00:15:09,508 --> 00:15:10,998 Don't make me count to five. 291 00:15:11,176 --> 00:15:16,341 Will was a terrific lawyer. He was smart, creative. 292 00:15:16,515 --> 00:15:18,642 Zealous in the best sense of the word. 293 00:15:18,817 --> 00:15:20,614 June 2010. 294 00:15:20,786 --> 00:15:24,882 "Will, sometimes I worry this is wrong, you being my boss." 295 00:15:25,057 --> 00:15:29,050 "I know but I can't get you out of my head. 296 00:15:29,228 --> 00:15:30,490 The touch of you, the taste." 297 00:15:30,663 --> 00:15:32,597 That's a long time to be on one image. 298 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:35,256 Right. Cut to the scandal. 299 00:15:37,836 --> 00:15:39,997 Make her black-and-white, everything else in color. 300 00:15:42,841 --> 00:15:45,571 "You were away at depos this week. 301 00:15:45,744 --> 00:15:47,507 All I could think about was your hands on me. 302 00:15:48,013 --> 00:15:49,605 Sometimes this feels too dangerous." 303 00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:51,374 Editing. 304 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:54,044 You better get out there. 305 00:15:54,219 --> 00:15:56,517 She is planning to use illegally obtained e-mails. 306 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:57,917 Not just use, broadcast. 307 00:15:58,090 --> 00:16:00,285 Which is so far beyond the pale, I can't believe... 308 00:16:00,459 --> 00:16:02,757 I didn't hack her e-mails, I just received copies of them. 309 00:16:02,928 --> 00:16:04,293 A distinction without a difference. 310 00:16:04,463 --> 00:16:06,863 - No, the Supreme Court spoke to this. - Bartnicki v. Vopper. 311 00:16:07,032 --> 00:16:09,557 As we didn't steal the material, we have a First Amendment right 312 00:16:09,735 --> 00:16:12,135 - to publish it. - If it's a matter of public concern. 313 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:13,965 Mrs. Florrick is a public official now. 314 00:16:14,139 --> 00:16:16,369 But that does not strip her of her right to privacy. 315 00:16:16,542 --> 00:16:19,375 Exactly. You use these private e-mails, sir, you and Petra, 316 00:16:19,545 --> 00:16:22,537 - you are, you know, blah-blah... - Co-conspirators. 317 00:16:22,715 --> 00:16:25,513 You're wrong on the law. You can go after the hackers here, but not us. 318 00:16:25,684 --> 00:16:27,743 There is a tort for the disclosure of private facts. 319 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,321 - Well, then sue us after it airs. - Oh, come on, Charles. 320 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:33,822 You made a speech to the International Press Commission 321 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:35,756 about the ethics of journalism. 322 00:16:35,928 --> 00:16:38,453 And now you're looking for cover to air this kind of, you know... 323 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:40,154 Scurrilous, sexually charged innuendo, 324 00:16:40,332 --> 00:16:42,493 which, until today, was the stuff of tabloids and blogs, 325 00:16:42,668 --> 00:16:44,966 which, it should be noted, is where you came from. 326 00:16:45,137 --> 00:16:49,506 Your righteous indignation is sweet, Eli, but you started this. 327 00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:53,076 - You created the myth of Saint Alicia. - That is absolutely not true. 328 00:16:53,245 --> 00:16:56,942 You love to build people up and then tear them down. 329 00:16:57,116 --> 00:16:59,311 The truth, which comes out in these e-mails, 330 00:16:59,485 --> 00:17:01,976 it puts the lie to all that, and the public has a right to know. 331 00:17:02,154 --> 00:17:03,985 You've really lost all perspective in this. 332 00:17:04,156 --> 00:17:06,989 - It's gross. You're gross. - Thank you. 333 00:17:08,293 --> 00:17:10,261 - I'm gonna hold this piece until... - Charles. 334 00:17:10,429 --> 00:17:15,492 Until I can consider all sides, ethically and otherwise. 335 00:17:18,070 --> 00:17:19,935 What are you gonna do? 336 00:17:23,575 --> 00:17:27,705 Who would be interested in this? TMZ or Gawker? 337 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,711 I don't know. Both. 338 00:17:31,316 --> 00:17:34,046 What about a, uh? Say, a wedding planner? 339 00:17:35,788 --> 00:17:38,279 It's First Amendment, it's personal services, 340 00:17:38,457 --> 00:17:40,982 it's religious freedom, all rolled into one. Isn't it? 341 00:17:42,227 --> 00:17:45,890 Yes, you would arguably have a better case 342 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:48,499 with a wedding planner because of the burden on her. 343 00:17:48,667 --> 00:17:50,726 Her time commitment, her level of creativity, 344 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:53,371 the list of her personal contacts. 345 00:17:54,206 --> 00:17:57,107 Yes, that would be a harder case for me to win. 346 00:17:57,276 --> 00:17:58,470 Great. 347 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:03,480 - Heh. Well, that was exhausting. - But effective. 348 00:18:03,649 --> 00:18:06,743 I have decided not to fund the baker's appeal. 349 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:08,716 Good. I think that's smart. 350 00:18:08,887 --> 00:18:13,756 Not just ideologically but practically. I think you'd lose. 351 00:18:22,701 --> 00:18:23,998 You know what metadata is? 352 00:18:24,169 --> 00:18:25,761 - I do. - Did you know it's possible 353 00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:27,906 - to fake metadata? - I didn't. 354 00:18:28,073 --> 00:18:29,370 Yeah, it's very difficult. 355 00:18:29,541 --> 00:18:31,873 You have to first hack into the computer, 356 00:18:32,044 --> 00:18:34,569 - then change the codes... - I'm really not sure 357 00:18:34,746 --> 00:18:36,441 what it is that you need from me, Mr. Wiley. 358 00:18:38,016 --> 00:18:39,574 You used to work in the SA's office. 359 00:18:39,751 --> 00:18:41,685 I'm just wondering if you have any information 360 00:18:41,854 --> 00:18:44,448 that might be helpful to me, or if you know 361 00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:46,523 of anyone here who might have faked the metadata. 362 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,256 No, sorry. 363 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:54,297 Eli couldn't make it. Some blah-blah with the governor. 364 00:18:54,466 --> 00:18:56,195 Good, I don't have the energy to talk to Eli. 365 00:18:56,368 --> 00:18:59,531 - What am I doing here? - I wanted to give you a heads-up. 366 00:18:59,705 --> 00:19:01,935 - You're kidding me. - I got no choice. 367 00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:04,507 Gawker's starting to sniff around. It's just a matter of time 368 00:19:04,676 --> 00:19:07,110 - before they dump everything online. - Don't do this. 369 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:09,008 I can't afford to get scooped. 370 00:19:10,182 --> 00:19:12,514 But you can afford to be a tool. 371 00:19:12,684 --> 00:19:17,053 That's good to know, the next time I need, you know, a tool. 372 00:19:19,892 --> 00:19:23,419 Hi. Alicia. Bit of a problem. 373 00:19:23,862 --> 00:19:27,025 From NPR News in Washington, I'm Lakshmi Singh. 374 00:19:27,199 --> 00:19:29,633 Another salvo in the ongoing cultural dispute 375 00:19:29,801 --> 00:19:31,735 over same-sex marriage in America, 376 00:19:31,904 --> 00:19:34,372 this time involving a gay couple in Idaho 377 00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:36,508 who were turned down by a wedding planner. 378 00:19:36,675 --> 00:19:39,940 Same-sex marriage is legal in Idaho, and the couple sued and won. 379 00:19:40,112 --> 00:19:43,047 But now prominent conservative activist Reese Dipple 380 00:19:43,215 --> 00:19:45,513 has agreed to fund the wedding planner's appeal. 381 00:19:56,962 --> 00:20:02,798 - Do you have a dollar? - Yeah. 382 00:20:03,435 --> 00:20:05,426 - Why? - Because I need it. 383 00:20:06,438 --> 00:20:08,030 Here you go. 384 00:20:08,607 --> 00:20:11,633 Okay. So I'm your lawyer now, Kalinda, 385 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:14,040 and this dollar represents attorney-client privilege. 386 00:20:17,082 --> 00:20:18,208 Sure. 387 00:20:18,383 --> 00:20:21,750 You faked metadata and Diane presented it in court 388 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,787 - to get Cary released, yes? - Yeah. 389 00:20:24,957 --> 00:20:28,916 - But Diane didn't know it was faked. - Yeah. 390 00:20:29,094 --> 00:20:32,154 - Anything else? - Look, after I faked the data, 391 00:20:32,331 --> 00:20:34,231 I had second thoughts about using it. 392 00:20:34,399 --> 00:20:37,459 But Diane took it from my computer without my knowledge. 393 00:20:38,170 --> 00:20:42,971 I didn't realize until I got to court and saw her present it to the judge. 394 00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:46,077 Okay. 395 00:20:46,645 --> 00:20:48,374 Okay, you don't talk to anyone about this. 396 00:20:48,547 --> 00:20:52,074 Not Diane. Not Cary. And not Wiley. 397 00:20:52,651 --> 00:20:55,347 You just talk to me, okay? 398 00:20:58,323 --> 00:20:59,654 Do you have any ideas? 399 00:21:01,793 --> 00:21:03,226 No. 400 00:21:05,530 --> 00:21:07,589 You used me. 401 00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:10,928 - What? - That wasn't a think tank exercise. 402 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:13,663 You were trying to find a wedge issue against gay marriage. 403 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:16,000 Of course I was. And I found it. 404 00:21:16,174 --> 00:21:17,300 - And you helped me. - Great. 405 00:21:17,476 --> 00:21:18,943 So I was your liberal guinea pig. 406 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:21,102 Why is that a bad thing? 407 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,306 If you think that gay marriage can withstand all legal assaults, 408 00:21:24,483 --> 00:21:27,008 you should rejoice in any chance to defend it. 409 00:21:27,185 --> 00:21:29,176 So you're funding this wedding planner's appeal now? 410 00:21:29,354 --> 00:21:32,585 Yeah, I am. It's a stronger case. 411 00:21:32,824 --> 00:21:34,155 And you can help me. 412 00:21:34,893 --> 00:21:36,724 - I won't defend her. - You don't have to. 413 00:21:36,895 --> 00:21:39,489 I wouldn't ask you to be someone you're not. 414 00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:43,059 - I want you to represent the plaintiff. - Excuse me? 415 00:21:43,235 --> 00:21:45,635 We're having a mock trial here this afternoon 416 00:21:45,804 --> 00:21:47,237 with the real wedding planner. 417 00:21:47,406 --> 00:21:51,137 I want you to sue her. Destroy her. See what damage you can do. 418 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:54,040 - So you can improve your case? - Yeah. 419 00:21:54,212 --> 00:21:55,611 But also so you can destroy it. 420 00:21:59,685 --> 00:22:02,017 - Who's my client? - Couldn't find the real plaintiff. 421 00:22:02,187 --> 00:22:03,711 You'll have to work with a stand-in. 422 00:22:06,358 --> 00:22:08,883 - Who's the judge? - Geoffrey Solomon. 423 00:22:09,061 --> 00:22:10,756 - So nice to meet you. - Such an honor, sir. 424 00:22:10,929 --> 00:22:13,557 - Diane Lockhart. - I know. 425 00:22:13,732 --> 00:22:15,791 I think I read your Harvard book three times. 426 00:22:15,967 --> 00:22:20,199 Really? That's more than all my ex-wives put together. Heh. 427 00:22:20,372 --> 00:22:22,101 R.D. 428 00:22:22,274 --> 00:22:25,732 You got to admit, I'm stacking the deck against myself here. 429 00:22:25,911 --> 00:22:28,573 Liberal judge, tough plaintiff's attorney. 430 00:22:28,747 --> 00:22:33,013 - You lose, all your fault. - Thanks. 431 00:22:33,585 --> 00:22:35,450 Okay, strategy session. 432 00:22:35,987 --> 00:22:38,387 - Two-pronged attack. - I love the two prongs. Even as a kid, 433 00:22:38,557 --> 00:22:41,458 - we had two-pronged attacks... - Marissa! Shh. 434 00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:44,460 We have to delay Petra, even it's only by 24 hours. 435 00:22:44,629 --> 00:22:45,653 How do we do that? 436 00:22:46,098 --> 00:22:49,499 - Hello, Eli. What do you need? - I just got off the phone 437 00:22:49,668 --> 00:22:51,659 with the governor. He can help fill out your story. 438 00:22:51,837 --> 00:22:53,099 Really? In what way? 439 00:22:53,271 --> 00:22:55,432 By offering you an on-screen interview. 440 00:22:59,311 --> 00:23:00,505 - This is such BS. - What? 441 00:23:00,679 --> 00:23:03,614 - You're just trying to delay me. - If you don't want the interview, fine. 442 00:23:03,782 --> 00:23:06,979 - When can he do it? - There's a chance later tonight. 443 00:23:07,152 --> 00:23:10,644 - What kind of chance? - Mm, sixty-forty. 444 00:23:11,623 --> 00:23:14,820 - No restrictions on questions? - None. 445 00:23:14,993 --> 00:23:18,952 - Okay, get back to me with the time. - Sure will. 446 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:22,191 - So you don't get back to her? - Oh, you do, 11:30 tonight. 447 00:23:22,834 --> 00:23:27,533 Now prong two. We pre-spin the e-mails. 448 00:23:27,706 --> 00:23:28,730 What does that mean? 449 00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,239 - Go to a friendly reporter. - And reporters who hate Petra. 450 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,901 Give them a chance to scoop her. If you don't want a story told, 451 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,013 - tell it yourself. - How do we tell it ourselves? 452 00:23:36,181 --> 00:23:38,877 What's the worst revelation and the worst e-mail? 453 00:23:39,050 --> 00:23:40,779 "Alicia, I can't get you out of my head. 454 00:23:40,952 --> 00:23:43,182 - The touch of you, the taste..." - Okay, thanks. 455 00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:45,118 It's just flirtation. There was no affair. 456 00:23:45,290 --> 00:23:47,918 - These are flirtatious e-mails. - Eli. 457 00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:51,153 - What? - I think you and I should talk alone. 458 00:23:51,329 --> 00:23:54,526 I know this is embarrassing for you, but we don't need to explain your life. 459 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,661 All we need to explain are these e-mails, 460 00:23:56,835 --> 00:24:00,601 and these e-mails merely suggest an obsession, a flirtation. 461 00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:02,330 That's gonna be embarrassing enough. 462 00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:04,498 Are there any e-mails that suggest an actual affair? 463 00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:06,200 "Will, you were away at depos this week. 464 00:24:06,378 --> 00:24:08,346 All I could think about was your hands on me. 465 00:24:08,513 --> 00:24:10,913 Sometimes this feels too dangerous." 466 00:24:12,784 --> 00:24:14,251 Okay, still pretty embarrassing. 467 00:24:14,419 --> 00:24:17,411 But merely suggestive of an act. You didn't act on it. This is just sexting. 468 00:24:17,589 --> 00:24:19,557 And it was while your husband was screwing around. 469 00:24:19,724 --> 00:24:21,919 Yeah, I don't think we need to go too deep into that. 470 00:24:22,093 --> 00:24:25,221 Why not? She's right. Alicia was merely tempted 471 00:24:25,397 --> 00:24:28,332 because her husband moved out on her and blah-blah. 472 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,025 I don't think we need to tear down Peter to build up Alicia. 473 00:24:31,203 --> 00:24:33,831 It was an affair. 474 00:24:34,005 --> 00:24:37,406 I can't just say this stuff about Will because it wasn't true. 475 00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:43,040 But no one would appreciate it more if you did than Will. 476 00:24:43,648 --> 00:24:45,411 He always knew what had to be said. 477 00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:47,717 I can't. I'm sorry. 478 00:24:49,421 --> 00:24:50,888 Now what? 479 00:24:52,023 --> 00:24:53,388 Get Peter to talk to her. 480 00:24:56,595 --> 00:24:58,995 I'm not prejudiced against gay people. 481 00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:00,722 I'm not prejudiced against anyone. 482 00:25:00,899 --> 00:25:04,835 But I believe the Bible is the word of God. Period. 483 00:25:05,003 --> 00:25:09,872 And it's not mine to ignore or change as I wish. 484 00:25:10,041 --> 00:25:12,339 Well, honestly, it would be easier to do that. 485 00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:15,139 I don't wanna be in the position of turning down business. 486 00:25:15,313 --> 00:25:18,510 I'm a wedding planner. I need your business, sir. 487 00:25:19,484 --> 00:25:23,352 I'm supposed to treat him like the actual guy who's suing me, right? 488 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:25,752 That's right, Ms. Dahl. Treat this just like court. 489 00:25:25,924 --> 00:25:28,358 Treat me just like a judge. 490 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:32,827 Look, I certainly don't wanna be sued for sticking to my beliefs, 491 00:25:32,998 --> 00:25:35,626 - but they are what they are. - Thank you, Ms. Dahl. 492 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,324 - Your witness. - So, Ms. Dahl, 493 00:25:37,502 --> 00:25:40,164 you've been a wedding planner for 12 years, is that correct? 494 00:25:40,338 --> 00:25:41,600 - Yes. - And in all that time, 495 00:25:41,773 --> 00:25:44,298 you have never been approached about doing a gay wedding before? 496 00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:49,436 Never. Of course, there's a homosexual community in Pocatello, 497 00:25:49,614 --> 00:25:52,344 and my very favorite florist is gay. 498 00:25:52,517 --> 00:25:55,645 But you are aware that gay marriage has been legal in Idaho 499 00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:58,653 - since October of 2014. - I'm aware it's legal, yes. 500 00:25:58,823 --> 00:26:01,451 Abortion is legal too. 501 00:26:01,626 --> 00:26:03,389 It doesn't mean I have to agree with it. 502 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:04,756 But you have to follow the law. 503 00:26:04,930 --> 00:26:06,898 I'm not stopping anyone from getting married. 504 00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:09,590 I just don't wanna be the one to plan their wedding. 505 00:26:09,768 --> 00:26:11,497 That's all. 506 00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:14,730 I'm helping two people seal their commitment to one another 507 00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:17,670 before the world and before God. 508 00:26:17,842 --> 00:26:19,810 I can't do that if I don't believe in it. 509 00:26:21,313 --> 00:26:26,216 Ms. Dahl, how many times did Jesus condemn homosexuality? 510 00:26:26,384 --> 00:26:28,352 Objection. Relevance. 511 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,479 She's claiming religion is the basis of her refusal, counselor. 512 00:26:32,657 --> 00:26:36,525 I fail to see how the specifics of that religion could not be relevant. 513 00:26:37,262 --> 00:26:40,595 Um, Jesus never condemned homosexuality. 514 00:26:40,765 --> 00:26:42,733 And how many times did Jesus condemn divorce? 515 00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:44,732 Three times. Four times. 516 00:26:44,903 --> 00:26:47,736 If you count Matthew and Mark's account of the same incident. 517 00:26:47,906 --> 00:26:51,808 Thank you. So you've never planned a wedding 518 00:26:51,977 --> 00:26:54,741 for a couple that had previously been married? 519 00:26:54,913 --> 00:26:56,278 Um... 520 00:26:57,182 --> 00:26:59,275 I haven't asked. I guess I have. 521 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:04,912 Well, in fact, you have planned two weddings in the last year alone 522 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:08,253 where one or both of the couple had previously been married. 523 00:27:08,426 --> 00:27:09,450 That sounds right. 524 00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:11,357 So your religious objection 525 00:27:11,529 --> 00:27:13,759 - is selective at best? - Objection. Argumentative. 526 00:27:13,932 --> 00:27:15,490 - Sustained. - No more questions. 527 00:27:19,571 --> 00:27:20,697 Let's talk. 528 00:27:21,873 --> 00:27:24,068 - You have no choice. - I'm not gonna lie, 529 00:27:24,242 --> 00:27:28,235 - especially not to a reporter. - You have to control the narrative. 530 00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:32,344 To keep me from looking like the slutty wife? 531 00:27:32,617 --> 00:27:34,209 Yeah. 532 00:27:34,386 --> 00:27:36,081 - It'll kill you. - And you. 533 00:27:36,254 --> 00:27:39,951 - You'll be the cuckold. - If you don't control the narrative. 534 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:43,787 It's kind of odd that we're discussing this so calmly. 535 00:27:43,962 --> 00:27:45,589 I'm hoping it's maturity. 536 00:27:47,232 --> 00:27:52,568 - Really? Is that what it looks like? - Talking calmly. Not yelling. 537 00:27:52,737 --> 00:27:54,637 Making sense. Yeah. 538 00:27:57,709 --> 00:27:59,802 Have we come through the other side? 539 00:27:59,978 --> 00:28:02,242 - What other side? - Of anger. 540 00:28:02,414 --> 00:28:05,406 Jealousy. Disgust. 541 00:28:05,583 --> 00:28:08,484 - Did I disgust you? - For a while. 542 00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:12,081 It's kind of nice sitting here, drinking together. 543 00:28:12,257 --> 00:28:14,885 It's like watching two other people drink. 544 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:17,085 And what do those two other people do? 545 00:28:17,262 --> 00:28:21,665 They used to be married. They like each other. 546 00:28:21,833 --> 00:28:24,301 They forgot that they're supposed to hate each other. 547 00:28:25,236 --> 00:28:26,362 Mm. 548 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:33,803 Oh, it's not gonna happen. 549 00:28:33,978 --> 00:28:35,445 - What? - Sex. 550 00:28:35,613 --> 00:28:37,376 - I didn't say a word. - You don't have to. 551 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:40,780 I can see the look on your face. I've known you a long time. 552 00:28:41,653 --> 00:28:46,022 - A long, long time. - Oh, my God. 553 00:28:46,191 --> 00:28:49,126 You're like an 18-year-old. Everything's about where you can stick it. 554 00:28:49,294 --> 00:28:52,161 No. Listen. 555 00:28:52,497 --> 00:28:54,260 I know you think I've been a dog, Alicia, 556 00:28:54,432 --> 00:28:56,263 and I know you think I've been a bad husband, 557 00:28:56,434 --> 00:29:00,564 but I've never been as bad as you've wanted me to be. 558 00:29:04,442 --> 00:29:09,641 - That's probably true. - And I loved you. I still love you. 559 00:29:13,118 --> 00:29:15,018 I don't know, Peter. 560 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:21,051 "Love" is a word that is so exhausted. I wish it meant something to me. 561 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:29,894 Can I just leave it tonight that I like sitting, drinking with you here? 562 00:29:33,037 --> 00:29:34,504 Sure. 563 00:29:39,577 --> 00:29:42,102 Mr. Andersen, may I call you Nils? 564 00:29:43,081 --> 00:29:45,914 You're my client's husband, is that correct? 565 00:29:46,084 --> 00:29:49,076 For the purposes of these proceedings, yes, I am. 566 00:29:49,254 --> 00:29:52,087 We understand you're playing a part here, Mr... 567 00:29:52,257 --> 00:29:53,451 My real name's Todd. 568 00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:55,923 Fine. Just answer Ms. Lockhart's questions 569 00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:58,426 as though you were actually Nils Andersen. 570 00:29:58,596 --> 00:29:59,654 Go ahead. 571 00:29:59,831 --> 00:30:03,096 - You're Mr. Taylor's husband? - I am. We were married in January. 572 00:30:04,369 --> 00:30:07,964 I'd like you to talk about the day you were turned away by Ms. Dahl 573 00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:09,470 - for being gay. - Objection. 574 00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,633 Misstates facts. Ms. Dahl didn't turn them away for being gay. 575 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:15,075 She simply did not wanna participate in their wedding. 576 00:30:15,246 --> 00:30:16,543 Sustained, but barely. 577 00:30:17,048 --> 00:30:22,179 Mr. Andersen, please, tell us how it felt to be turned away. 578 00:30:22,353 --> 00:30:24,821 It felt like crap, frankly. 579 00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:27,685 Was this the first time you'd been turned away from a business 580 00:30:27,859 --> 00:30:29,918 because of someone's religious objections? 581 00:30:30,094 --> 00:30:32,324 No, happens a lot. 582 00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:35,796 And so then why sue Ms. Dahl and not anyone else? 583 00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:39,436 I guess it was the straw that broke the camel's back. 584 00:30:40,371 --> 00:30:42,134 Sometimes that's the way it feels, you know? 585 00:30:43,408 --> 00:30:46,536 You feel like a second-class citizen, and especially in a town like Pocatello, 586 00:30:46,711 --> 00:30:48,611 - because it's so small. - In a town that small, 587 00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:50,577 was it easy to find another wedding planner? 588 00:30:50,748 --> 00:30:52,613 No, there are only three. 589 00:30:52,784 --> 00:30:54,911 Maybe five or six, if you count nearby towns. 590 00:30:55,086 --> 00:30:56,110 They were all booked. 591 00:30:56,287 --> 00:30:58,778 And if Ms. Dahl had simply told you she was booked? 592 00:30:58,957 --> 00:31:01,118 I would have understood. 593 00:31:01,292 --> 00:31:03,920 I guess that would have been a lie, but it would have hurt less. 594 00:31:04,095 --> 00:31:05,687 It would have been better than the truth. 595 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:08,196 Do you feel that you have suffered economic harm 596 00:31:08,366 --> 00:31:09,924 due to Ms. Dahl's turning you away? 597 00:31:10,101 --> 00:31:13,593 Yes. We had to go all the way to Boise to find a wedding planner. 598 00:31:13,771 --> 00:31:16,740 That's 200 miles. We had to make that drive four times... 599 00:31:16,908 --> 00:31:18,307 Your Honor? 600 00:31:18,476 --> 00:31:21,502 Could I request a brief recess before we cross? 601 00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:23,374 Well, of course. 602 00:31:30,121 --> 00:31:31,918 - How dare you? - I'm sorry? 603 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:34,524 You cast my nephew as the lover? 604 00:31:34,692 --> 00:31:36,785 Yes, I did. You said go for the jugular. 605 00:31:36,961 --> 00:31:38,394 Hey, Uncle Reese. 606 00:31:40,098 --> 00:31:41,759 Hi, buddy. 607 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,092 Will you follow me, please? 608 00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:48,763 Hey. 609 00:31:49,874 --> 00:31:51,967 How did you know how to change the metadata? 610 00:31:53,211 --> 00:31:54,906 I had a friend show me. 611 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,877 - But you did it alone? - Yeah, but he knew I was doing it. 612 00:31:58,049 --> 00:31:59,676 And nobody else knew anything about it? 613 00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:03,048 Just him. Do I need to contain this? 614 00:32:04,489 --> 00:32:06,150 That's an understatement. 615 00:32:13,531 --> 00:32:14,896 Whoa. 616 00:32:15,633 --> 00:32:16,657 Where are you off to? 617 00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:18,597 Have you seen Howell? I thought he was here. 618 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:19,862 - Who? - Howell. 619 00:32:20,038 --> 00:32:22,438 - The guy who works on the computer. - Oh, yeah. 620 00:32:22,607 --> 00:32:23,972 Wiley pulled him out for something. 621 00:32:24,142 --> 00:32:26,167 They're in the conference room together. 622 00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:37,444 Did you not believe me when I told you I loved my nephew? 623 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:39,590 No, I did. That's why I approached him. 624 00:32:39,757 --> 00:32:42,055 I'm not paying you to stage a family therapy session. 625 00:32:42,226 --> 00:32:45,457 - I'm not paying you to use my relative. - I didn't. He wanted to participate. 626 00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:47,029 I pay you to act professionally... 627 00:32:47,198 --> 00:32:49,792 You told me to go for the jugular. You told me to get personal. 628 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,061 This is more than personal, this is an insult, Diane. 629 00:32:52,236 --> 00:32:55,205 I'm sorry, sir, but if you wanna decide on gay marriage, 630 00:32:55,373 --> 00:32:58,103 you have to see who you're impacting, and it can't be an actor. 631 00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:04,179 So finish what you started. 632 00:33:04,916 --> 00:33:10,218 Me, my, mo, may. May. May. There we go. 633 00:33:10,388 --> 00:33:13,824 Very friendly reporter, dumb as an ox. 634 00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:17,223 Just keep your answers to single syllables and you should be fine. 635 00:33:19,697 --> 00:33:21,722 - Mrs. Florrick, hello. - Mr. Willoughby, 636 00:33:21,899 --> 00:33:24,060 I was thrilled when Josh told me you said yes. 637 00:33:24,235 --> 00:33:27,295 I was too. I voted for you, ma'am. 638 00:33:27,472 --> 00:33:30,407 - Unless I shouldn't say that. - Oh, well, I won't tell anyone. 639 00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:34,835 Good. I like secrets and things of that elk. 640 00:33:36,247 --> 00:33:39,114 - Ilk? - No, elk. Things of that elk. 641 00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:43,415 Well, uh, ahem. Shall we get started? 642 00:33:43,588 --> 00:33:46,523 Were Alicia and Mr. Gardner close? Absolutely. 643 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:49,717 Interesting that you're calling her Alicia and him Mr. Gardner. 644 00:33:49,894 --> 00:33:52,920 Are you trying to manufacture some distance between them, Eli? 645 00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:57,158 No, Kim, I'm trying to give you a sense of the reality. 646 00:33:57,335 --> 00:34:01,829 Ah! So you did have a relationship with Mr. Gardner? 647 00:34:02,006 --> 00:34:05,203 Well, it depends on how you define "relationship." 648 00:34:07,011 --> 00:34:09,445 As in "relating to other people." 649 00:34:09,614 --> 00:34:11,081 This is about Petra Moritz? Seriously? 650 00:34:11,249 --> 00:34:13,149 No, it's not about Petra per se. 651 00:34:13,317 --> 00:34:16,309 It's about a journalistic culture that increasingly kicks sand 652 00:34:16,487 --> 00:34:18,614 - over ethical boundaries... - Petra has these e-mails? 653 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:21,281 Yes. Of course, Petra wants to go with this story tomorrow, 654 00:34:21,459 --> 00:34:25,896 so if you wanted to scoop her, you'd have to get something out tonight. 655 00:34:27,131 --> 00:34:31,898 So if there was nothing going on between you and your boss, 656 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,901 how do you explain these e-mails? 657 00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:39,635 I'm embarrassed to admit it, but it was a flirtation. 658 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:42,736 An innocent one, but a wrong one. 659 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:46,213 I was having difficulties with my husband at that point, 660 00:34:46,384 --> 00:34:49,444 and I was carried away. 661 00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:54,956 I wish that I hadn't, but I'm deeply embarrassed. 662 00:34:55,126 --> 00:34:57,924 But were you having difficulties with your husband at that point? 663 00:35:04,001 --> 00:35:08,495 Yes, that's right, I was having difficulties. 664 00:35:08,673 --> 00:35:11,233 And were you embarrassed? 665 00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:15,979 And I was embarrassed. Um... 666 00:35:16,547 --> 00:35:18,538 I hate to admit it. 667 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:22,947 Let's talk about your relationship with Mr. Gardner. 668 00:35:26,023 --> 00:35:27,513 - Hey. - What's going on? 669 00:35:27,692 --> 00:35:30,183 - What did Wiley ask you? - He asked about the metadata. 670 00:35:30,361 --> 00:35:33,194 - But I lied for you. - Howell, I told you to tell the truth. 671 00:35:33,364 --> 00:35:35,992 Don't worry, he believed me. I told him we stumbled on the metadata 672 00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:39,159 while I was fixing tickets for you in the Chicago P.D. Traffic system. 673 00:35:39,337 --> 00:35:40,929 - What? - Speeding tickets. 674 00:35:41,105 --> 00:35:44,666 It's something I actually do. I told him I fixed two tickets for you. 675 00:35:44,842 --> 00:35:47,572 You had four, but I fixed two to keep up appearances. 676 00:35:47,745 --> 00:35:50,976 Howell, I don't have four speeding tickets. I don't even have two. 677 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:53,310 I will make it look like you do. Don't worry so much. 678 00:35:53,484 --> 00:35:56,851 Okay, look, just tell me everything that you said, okay? 679 00:35:57,021 --> 00:35:58,045 All right. 680 00:35:58,222 --> 00:36:01,055 Mr. Andersen, aren't you and your husband just picking a fight? 681 00:36:01,225 --> 00:36:04,752 - Objection, badgering, inflammatory. - Try it again, Mr. Partridge. 682 00:36:04,929 --> 00:36:08,160 Did you have an ulterior motive in bringing suit against Ms. Dahl? 683 00:36:08,866 --> 00:36:10,458 Did I have an ulterior motive? 684 00:36:10,635 --> 00:36:13,502 I guess what I'm asking is, were you really so offended by what she did 685 00:36:13,671 --> 00:36:15,730 - or did you see this as a test case? - Objection. 686 00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:17,898 - It's a fair question, counselor. - A test? 687 00:36:18,075 --> 00:36:20,771 A case that would allow you to change the law in your favor. 688 00:36:20,945 --> 00:36:21,969 Isn't that, in fact, 689 00:36:22,146 --> 00:36:23,943 - why you brought this case? - No. 690 00:36:24,582 --> 00:36:26,516 I'm in love. 691 00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:28,914 That's the only reason I'm doing any of this, by the way. 692 00:36:29,086 --> 00:36:30,986 I'm in love. 693 00:36:33,524 --> 00:36:35,651 - Nothing further. - I have something further. 694 00:36:37,261 --> 00:36:39,286 Why doesn't anyone ever ask me what I believe? 695 00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:44,127 They take it for granted I'm not a Christian, but I am. 696 00:36:44,602 --> 00:36:45,762 I believe in God too. 697 00:36:47,805 --> 00:36:51,468 Am I proud of my wife? More than you can imagine, Petra. 698 00:36:51,642 --> 00:36:55,476 Winning an election in Chicago is difficult. 699 00:36:55,646 --> 00:37:00,106 But winning an election in Chicago with your integrity still intact... 700 00:37:00,284 --> 00:37:01,842 Well, that's practically a miracle. 701 00:37:02,019 --> 00:37:04,214 - And Alicia Florrick has kept hers? - Always. 702 00:37:07,158 --> 00:37:10,719 Governor, was your wife sleeping with her boss, Will Gardner? 703 00:37:10,895 --> 00:37:14,797 Oh, well, I can't answer that question. 704 00:37:14,966 --> 00:37:17,526 - Because you don't want to? - No, no. 705 00:37:17,702 --> 00:37:20,262 Because I can't confirm what you're asking. 706 00:37:20,438 --> 00:37:23,999 Just like, listen, I can't confirm that she was ever at a Neil Young concert. 707 00:37:24,175 --> 00:37:26,507 I can only confirm what my wife has told me, 708 00:37:26,677 --> 00:37:29,305 which is she did not have an affair with Mr. Gardner. 709 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,382 Governor, we have copies of e-mails between your wife and Mr. Gardner. 710 00:37:33,551 --> 00:37:35,849 Which I'm sure you'd love to take as evidence 711 00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:38,318 of a scandalous office romance. 712 00:37:38,489 --> 00:37:41,424 But as my wife told the reporter Ted Willoughby, 713 00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:46,529 they are simply an artifact of a flirtation, not of an affair. 714 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:50,229 - I'm sorry, what? - As she told the reporter 715 00:37:50,401 --> 00:37:53,097 Ted Willoughby of Channel 8 just a few hours ago, 716 00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:57,503 those e-mails were part of an unfortunate flirtation, that's it. 717 00:37:57,675 --> 00:38:02,305 Well, surely the language in these e-mails 718 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,940 is not everyday talk between a superior and subordinate. 719 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,552 Well, that's a picture you seem intent on painting. 720 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,621 I guess what my chief of staff Eli Gold said to Kim Masters 721 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:15,384 in their interview is true. You're out to get her. 722 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:20,462 No, I am just trying to reveal the truth, governor, and... 723 00:38:20,631 --> 00:38:24,624 Look, Petra, you've been trying to nail Alicia for the last three years. 724 00:38:24,802 --> 00:38:26,827 - Governor, that... - You have a grudge against her. 725 00:38:27,004 --> 00:38:29,131 You do. If you look at any of your interviews... 726 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,867 - Okay, thank you, thank you. - I think we have what we need here. 727 00:38:32,043 --> 00:38:35,809 - Okay. We're good? - Yes, thank you for coming down. 728 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:38,414 Oh, no, thank you. I think that went well. 729 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:42,442 Hey, thank you. Good to see you. Okay, thank you. 730 00:38:52,396 --> 00:38:55,388 - Speeding tickets? How many? - Uh, four. 731 00:38:56,334 --> 00:39:00,668 There were four, but he only fixed two for me. I paid for the other two. 732 00:39:00,838 --> 00:39:03,466 - Just to keep it kosher? - Yeah. 733 00:39:03,641 --> 00:39:05,370 Where'd you get them? 734 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:09,537 Two in the Loop and one on the way back from Springfield. 735 00:39:09,714 --> 00:39:12,478 - The other on the South Side. - That's exactly what Howell said. 736 00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:14,748 Almost word for word. 737 00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,086 I gotta go. There's a puppet show at the library. 738 00:39:19,156 --> 00:39:20,282 One last thing, Kalinda. 739 00:39:22,593 --> 00:39:24,254 You're caught. 740 00:39:24,895 --> 00:39:26,624 You faked the metadata. 741 00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:32,061 The longer it takes for you to admit it, the worse it'll be for you and Diane. 742 00:39:32,236 --> 00:39:35,865 So, I mean, I hate to say this because I like you, 743 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,339 but if I were you, I'd come clean. 744 00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:40,943 Come on. 745 00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:50,119 Well, you've given this old con law professor a lot to think about. 746 00:39:51,155 --> 00:39:54,386 On the one hand, people have the right to their religious views, 747 00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:56,549 and they cannot and should not be barred 748 00:39:56,727 --> 00:39:58,388 from the marketplace because of them. 749 00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:00,530 On the other hand, every citizen has the right 750 00:40:00,698 --> 00:40:03,462 not to be discriminated against on the basis of their race, 751 00:40:03,634 --> 00:40:07,695 their color, their nationality and, yes, their sexual orientation. 752 00:40:07,872 --> 00:40:12,741 Well, given all that, my task is difficult but clear. 753 00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:16,175 I must weigh whether or not a religious accommodation 754 00:40:16,347 --> 00:40:19,908 would frustrate the core purpose of antidiscrimination law. 755 00:40:20,484 --> 00:40:23,578 And in this case, I find that it would. 756 00:40:24,288 --> 00:40:27,416 Accordingly, I must rule in favor of the plaintiffs, 757 00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:30,685 Mr. Taylor and Mr. Andersen. 758 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:34,429 Very well done. 759 00:40:41,906 --> 00:40:44,841 Diane, can I ask you something? 760 00:40:46,644 --> 00:40:50,273 What do you think would happen if every case were adjudicated 761 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:53,008 by someone with a family member 762 00:40:53,184 --> 00:40:56,210 or loved one who'd be affected by the decision? 763 00:40:56,387 --> 00:40:58,412 Ultimately, perhaps every case is. 764 00:40:58,589 --> 00:41:00,557 But isn't the law supposed to be impersonal? 765 00:41:00,724 --> 00:41:04,023 In the sense that it should be the same for everyone? 766 00:41:04,195 --> 00:41:05,890 You know, otherwise we're in China, right? 767 00:41:06,063 --> 00:41:07,587 Everything's determined by who you know. 768 00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:12,259 The law is supposed to be fair, not impersonal. 769 00:41:12,436 --> 00:41:16,429 In fact, I would argue that the law is always personal. 770 00:41:16,607 --> 00:41:20,304 It has to see the human side too, or else it's meaningless. 771 00:41:24,815 --> 00:41:25,975 Mm. 772 00:41:26,383 --> 00:41:28,408 You're gonna fund this defense anyway, aren't you? 773 00:41:29,253 --> 00:41:30,777 The wedding planner? 774 00:41:30,955 --> 00:41:33,583 - Yes. - Why? 775 00:41:35,025 --> 00:41:39,860 Three years ago, Barack Obama was against gay marriage. 776 00:41:40,030 --> 00:41:42,430 So was Bill Clinton. So was Hillary. 777 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,194 You know, basically every Democratic icon 778 00:41:45,369 --> 00:41:47,633 was lined up against gay marriage. 779 00:41:47,805 --> 00:41:50,296 Now they're not. You know? 780 00:41:50,474 --> 00:41:53,637 Because it's politically expedient for them not to be. 781 00:41:54,778 --> 00:41:56,541 Who knows what they're gonna be for or against 782 00:41:56,714 --> 00:41:58,238 in another three years, right? 783 00:41:59,416 --> 00:42:02,715 I like people who stand by their opinions. 784 00:42:02,887 --> 00:42:06,050 I like people who stand by their beliefs. 785 00:42:06,223 --> 00:42:12,128 And I think a religious accommodation must be made for people who do that. 786 00:42:12,296 --> 00:42:14,594 You know? It's the right thing to do. 787 00:42:16,934 --> 00:42:18,128 And as we've discussed, 788 00:42:18,302 --> 00:42:21,965 you're a highly educated, very confident woman, 789 00:42:22,139 --> 00:42:27,099 but you walk into this law firm, full of old bulls and young tigers. 790 00:42:27,278 --> 00:42:29,269 - Were you nervous? - Oh, very. 791 00:42:29,446 --> 00:42:31,778 - That's nice. Very human. - Just wait. 792 00:42:31,949 --> 00:42:33,610 During our time together, 793 00:42:33,784 --> 00:42:36,480 Mrs. Florrick talked about what she had learned as an attorney. 794 00:42:36,654 --> 00:42:40,146 About the importance of being smart, creative, zealous. 795 00:42:40,324 --> 00:42:43,816 But the question surfacing in recent days is this: 796 00:42:43,994 --> 00:42:47,794 Was Alicia Florrick the candidate too creative, too zealous, 797 00:42:47,965 --> 00:42:49,933 in her pursuit of the state's attorney's office? 798 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,159 - What is she talking about? - I have no idea. 799 00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:54,861 I recently spoke with a Chicago election monitor, 800 00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:58,236 and serious accusations are being made 801 00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:00,843 that the voting machines in some wards 802 00:43:01,011 --> 00:43:05,175 registered votes for Frank Prady as votes for Alicia Florrick. 803 00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:07,817 - Mother of... - That may have been the difference 804 00:43:07,985 --> 00:43:09,714 - What? - in the state's attorney race. 805 00:43:09,887 --> 00:43:12,481 - We are all in trouble now. - Was the election stolen? 806 00:43:12,656 --> 00:43:15,216 For now we don't know... 807 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:26,500 Ripped By mstoll